DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted September 30 Maybe just maybe Jonathan you shouldn't have shat on teachers while an MP. Shouldn't have also assumed you were always going to be an MP 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,571 Posted September 30 Conservative party leadership hopefuls pulling out all the stops. Jenrick and Badenoch fighting over the far right vote whilst Cleaverly and Tugenhadt are trying to be more centerist. Tugenhadt has come across quite unpleasant but he could just realise that he needs to appeal more to the right of the party to get his name on the ballot of the final two that goes to the party membership. At this time I hate to say it but Cleaverly seems like the best option at the moment* *I hate the Conservative party and what it stands for but out two party system needs strong opposition to hold the Government to account and not just regurgitate populist rhetoric Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted September 30 Fucking delusional Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 2 Lord Ali under House of Lords investigation now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted October 2 Accidently I'm sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
time 8,597 Posted October 3 11 hours ago, DCI Frank Burnside said: Accidently I'm sure My reaction to this, after thinking 'how convenient', was why is the BBC interviewing Boris Johnson? Can only be a puff-piece to promote his book, surely! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 I’m amazed Starmer has been stupid enough to hand back the Chagos islands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,741 Posted October 3 1 minute ago, The Old Crem said: I’m amazed Starmer has been stupid enough to hand back the Chagos islands. Ok, I'll bite because I'm at a loose end for 10 minutes. Why is it stupid? *And no answers that suggest I'm equally stupid for responding to this, I already know that thanks. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, En Passant said: Ok, I'll bite because I'm at a loose end for 10 minutes. Why is it stupid? *And no answers that suggest I'm equally stupid for responding to this, I already know that thanks. Because it’s an massive own goal to allow everyone to call them unpatriotic during a period of declining unpopularity 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Because it’s an massive own goal to allow everyone to call them unpatriotic during a period of declining unpopularity Quote The negotiations that brought about Thursday's deal began years before Sir Keir Starmer became prime minister. Quote A backlash from some voices in the UK can be expected, even though successive Conservative and Labour prime ministers have both been working towards the same broad goal. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98ynejg4l5o Deal would have been practically done before the election. The Farage Reform types will be the only ones who'll kick up about this. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c98ynejg4l5o Deal would have been practically done before the election. The Farage Reform types will be the only ones who'll kick up about this. It’s not. The Tory front bench has gone full on criticising this as has anyone to right the of Starmer really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: It’s not. The Tory front bench has gone full on criticising this. Tory Front Bench and Reform types practically the same thing nowadays and again these neogtiations were taking place under the previous Tory Govt. Enough with the hysterics. A deal like this couldn't have been done in 3 months partiucalry given there would have to be input from the US. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,741 Posted October 3 8 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: declining unpopularity This is a double negative, it doesn't mean what you think it does. You're Opinion Stated As Fact(ing) again. Somewhat ameliorated by the fact that at least this is titled a 'ranting' thread. On a more general note, if anyone wants a discussion for a laugh, why do we as a nation believe that because we occupied a load of far away islands by force a couple of centuries ago we should still be administering them in the 21st century? How would we feel if Argentina administered Jersey? or The isle of Man (sorry @Handrejka) or The Orkneys? I personally find it hard to see what business it is of ours in the middle of the Indian Ocean as of today. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, En Passant said: This is a double negative, it doesn't mean what you think it does. You're Opinion Stated As Fact(ing) again. Somewhat ameliorated by the fact that at least this is titled a 'ranting' thread. On a more general note, if anyone wants a discussion for a laugh, why do we as a nation believe that because we occupied a load of far away islands by force a couple of centuries ago we should still be administering them in the 21st century? How would we feel if Argentina administered Jersey? or The isle of Man (sorry @Handrejka) or The Orkneys? I personally find it hard to see what business it is of ours in the middle of the Indian Ocean as of today. National security. It’s an important military base for the west. Plus it’s the principle as now people will assume he will give the Falklands to Argentina or Gibraltar to the Spain. Tories can’t believe their luck with this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,035 Posted October 3 Anything despised by three Tory leadership contenders and Grant Shapps is a good move imo. Anyway, with Ukraine, Israel and a forthcoming Budget, I and many many others I am sure could not give a stuff about the Chagos. Just my opinion though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,741 Posted October 3 We should send the Elgin marbles back too whist we're at it. Or actually, thinking about it, just invade Mauritius and make a bigger military base for the west and keeping the existing one killing two birds with one stone (three if you count government popularity since that seems your main premise here). I'm serious about one of those, I'll let you guess which. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Anything despised by three Tory leadership contenders and Grant Shapps is a good move imo. Anyway, with Ukraine, Israel and a forthcoming Budget, I and many many others I am sure could not give a stuff about the Chagos. Just my opinion though. I thought you were opposed to the Winter fuel cuts. The Tories have decided to despise those as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,035 Posted October 3 4 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: I thought you were opposed to the Winter fuel cuts. The Tories have decided to despise those as well. I'm not entirely against the Winter Fuel Payments being means tested - perhaps the Government have gone too far in the cut off or having a taper. I've never seen the need for wealthy folk to be given Government handouts. I think the worst is yet to come. Which I will complain about at length, no doubt. Meantime, I shall return to my hearth until something worth moaning about comes along. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,439 Posted October 3 51 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Anything despised by three Tory leadership contenders and Grant Shapps is a good move imo. Anyway, with Ukraine, Israel and a forthcoming Budget, I and many many others I am sure could not give a stuff about the Chagos. Just my opinion though. Mauritius is a cool country and we should have been more diplomatic with them over this years ago. Too many shitheads out there to keep agro with a friendly country. My opinion. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,035 Posted October 3 3 minutes ago, msc said: Mauritius is a cool country and we should have been more diplomatic with them over this years ago. Too many shitheads out there to keep agro with a friendly country. My opinion. I did my bit to be more than diplomatic with a Mauritian years ago! Oh baby, I could barely walk for a few days afterwards. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,132 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: It’s not. The Tory front bench has gone full on criticising this as has anyone to right the of Starmer really. Well, they would, wouldn't they. 15 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I did my bit to be more than diplomatic with a Mauritian years ago! Oh baby, I could barely walk for a few days afterwards. I shagged a bloke from Réunion once. That's near Mauritius. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,741 Posted October 3 2 hours ago, The Old Crem said: I’m amazed Starmer has been stupid enough to hand back the Chagos islands. Quote There were 11 rounds of negotiations with the previous government and two under the current Labour administration, with Jonathan Powell, who served as Tony Blair’s chief of staff, appointed last month to head up the talks. So the Tories and by extension you, can frankly shut it. Politics innit? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted October 3 The only time I’ve met someone from those islands was the builders who did up my family’s house. They were a Mauritian heritage family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 1,027 Posted October 3 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: The only time I’ve met someone from those islands was the builders who did up my family’s house. They were a Mauritian heritage family. Were they installing the padding on the walls? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
