Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[msc 18,448]

3 hours ago, YoungWillz said:

 

She was Home Secretary, wasn't she? Doesn't she know this stuff?

 

No.

 

They used to call the Home Office the graveyard for political careers, but, on trying to think of a decent Home Sec in my lifetime, it might be the case that its just given to shit politicians.

 

I mean: Alan Johnson, Jacqui "porn videos" Smith, "Cabinet Bruiser" Dr John Reid, Charles Clarke (Christ he was shit), David Blunkett's dog, Michael Howard, David Waddington, Leon Brittan etc etc. When Jack Straw can possibly claim to be one of the top 3 anything of the last 40 odd years, you know we're not talking great quality.

[Bibliogryphon 9,581]

Was Roy Jenkins the last decent Home Secretary. Ken Clarke did it for a year.

[YoungWillz 21,044]

I see Sturgeon has gone for The Prisoner look today...

 

[Deathray 2,940]

YouGov predicted a hung parliament.

[YoungWillz 21,044]

22 minutes ago, Deathray said:

YouGov predicted a hung parliament.

Hang them all!

[Deathray 2,940]

9 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Hang them all!

 

Their prediction is rather, erm, interesting.

 

CON 302

Lab 269

Lib Dem 12

Green 1

SNP 44

PC 2

Other 1

Speaker 1

N.I 18

 

[Spade_Cooley 9,525]

[Deathray 2,940]

I hope the Tories lose drastically after that headline. 

 

Unfortunately, I reckon it's going to be a landslide of 1983 or 1997 proportions for the Tories.

[YoungWillz 21,044]

Ah the newspaper that brought you the whitewashing of police at Hillsborough and Kelvin McKenzie.

 

You get what you deserve...

[charon 4,943]

Youguv last poll no longer say 'hung'...

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

Now i want to fly over and vote labour just to spite the sun.

[Sean 6,327]

39 minutes ago, charon said:

Youguv last poll no longer say 'hung'...

7% lead wasn`t it?

[themaninblack 2,112]

It wont be hung in a month of Sundays...60-70 majority I reckon.

[themaninblack 2,112]

1 hour ago, Spade_Cooley said:

Going soft on him I see...

[the_engineer 1,415]

Well going to bed early and up early to vote before work. Apparently only 30 million out of 65 million are voting. Discount under 18s ,prisoners and those not capable of voting that still leaves millions of people not taking part.

[the_engineer 1,415]

On 06/06/2017 at 06:00, charon said:

The SNP DO need destroyed. Always said that. And the best way to do that is with Independence, after that we will find our own way, new parties etc, and start again.....'If' they had left it as a one policy Party, Indy would have happened decades ago.

 

I always wondered about that . If independence happened who would challenge the SNP? Could UK parties still run? Would the SNP ban them? Could parties campaign to rejoin the UK? All that Scottish independence would achieve would be 1 party state in Scotland and 1 party state in the UK. Labour I don't think can win a majority without Scotland.

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

6 minutes ago, the_engineer said:

 

I always wondered about that . If independence happened who would challenge the SNP? Could UK parties still run? Would the SNP ban them? Could parties campaign to rejoin the UK? All that Scottish independence would achieve would be 1 party state in Scotland and 1 party state in the UK. Labour I don't think can win a majority without Scotland.

The conservative and liberal members will split after Scotland achieves independence and labour isn't winning anyway.

[Bibliogryphon 9,581]

9 hours ago, the_engineer said:

 

I always wondered about that . If independence happened who would challenge the SNP? Could UK parties still run? Would the SNP ban them? Could parties campaign to rejoin the UK? All that Scottish independence would achieve would be 1 party state in Scotland and 1 party state in the UK. Labour I don't think can win a majority without Scotland.

If Scotland became independent then the SNP will fade away or split and there will be a resurgence of the traditional left/right split although with new names. The Scottish Conservative party will be pushing for reunification.

In England there will be a realignment with everyone moving to the right.

[Deathray 2,940]

10 hours ago, the_engineer said:

Well going to bed early and up early to vote before work. Apparently only 30 million out of 65 million are voting. Discount under 18s ,prisoners and those not capable of voting that still leaves millions of people not taking part.

 

46.9 million are registered, if turnouts the same as last time that's 32 million. Hopefully it will be much higher. 

[msc 18,448]

Voted.

 

Which for anyone not voting Tory today might be like the old King Canute and the sea, but never mind.

[YoungWillz 21,044]

Let's apply The Sun's bullet tests to Tezza, shall we?

 

1. Terrorists' Friend. Yep, they seem to be getting away with murder under her watch.

2. Useless on Brexit. Indeed, no-one sees to know what her plan is, she forgot Gibraltar,yada, yada, yada.

3. Destroyer of productivity. Yes, secure jobs are gone, more and more "self-employed" who are employees in law. More people in work but output lower.

4. Enemy of business. Proposed hard Brexit or possible no deal will crash the market. NI contributions to increase (be assured of that!)

5. Massive tax hikes. The so-called dementia tax will hit the sick and disabled harder, NI contributions again, no commitment not to raise income tax. Stealth taxes are the Conservatives bread and butter, they will get you one way or another.

6. Puppet of the wealthy. The inequality divide is growing apace, more people are predicted to be in poverty, public sector pay capped and private sector wages stagnant. Those independently wealthy are protected from the vast majority of cuts already in place.

7. Nuclear dogma. 130 billion to be spent on WMD, and a seemingly over-eagerness to consider using them, despite possibly being outdated by the time we get them.

8. Ruinous spending. We've had austerity for years and Tezza and chums have already borrowed mahoosively more than any previous Government. They've got lucky with low interest rates, but that has hit savers hard, inflation on the rise and black holes in an uncosted manifesto probably mean borrowing will increase and paying down the deficit will become harder, especially with the lack of growth anticipated.

9. Open immigration. It will continue, the cost of trade deals with more countries will be that people from those countries will be able to come here. So more Chinese, more Indians, more Americans (maybe), yada, yada yada. Continued failure to tackle UK education at source and further real terms cuts anticipated means the skills sets of UK people will remain subservient to other countries, and so in they will come.

10. Extremism. Ripping up human rights won't work, though the sound bite will be used by those who would harm us to further their agenda. A lurch to the right will encourage the legitimisation of the EDL, a resurgence of groups like the BNP and will further lead to hate crime. Right wing extremism is as bad as left wing extremism.

 

Just for balance, he he.

[Spade_Cooley 9,525]

May's gone by 2020, I don't think that's in question. The Tories aren't like Labour, when they're unhappy with a leader they slit their neck and they don't realise until they nod their head. Interesting to see if she's successfully killed the Cameronite wing off by putting them in cabinet positions they're all vastly unsuited for, or if Georgie Oz will return to parliament on a white steed to avenge his master.

[Bibliogryphon 9,581]

If Thresea May does .not increase her majority she is gone but who can lead the Tories?

[YoungWillz 21,044]

2 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said:

If Thresea May does .not increase her majority she is gone but who can lead the Tories?

Oh I dunno, you can look to 75% of the Labour Party.....

[Spade_Cooley 9,525]

Clear that May has positioned Amber Rudd as her successor. Not sure who else is a possibility considering the bloodbath that was the last Tory leadership campaign... Ruth Davidson is the Tory rank-and-file wet dream but I can't see it. After you eliminate all the clear non-starters (Crabb, Gove, Hammond) you're left with literal "who?"s like Chris Grayling. Maybe Graham Brady as an outside punt?