Magere Hein 1,400 Posted May 15, 2014 Dutch politician compares liking the EU to old attitudes to being gay I parse that as: the European Union is not dead, it just smells funny. regards, Hein 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted May 15, 2014 Dutch politician compares liking the EU to old attitudes to being gay I parse that as: the European Union is not dead, it just smells funny. regards, Hein Noone in the UK at the moment would probably stand up and say come on everyone we can make this an awesome club and it would improve our standing in the world as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 15, 2014 Dutch politician compares liking the EU to old attitudes to being gay I parse that as: the European Union is not dead, it just smells funny. regards, Hein Noone in the UK at the moment would probably stand up and say come on everyone we can make this an awesome club and it would improve our standing in the world as well. Actually I saw Nick Clegg do that on TV recently - so you're right, no-one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted May 15, 2014 Dutch politician compares liking the EU to old attitudes to being gay I parse that as: the European Union is not dead, it just smells funny. regards, Hein Noone in the UK at the moment would probably stand up and say come on everyone we can make this an awesome club and it would improve our standing in the world as well. Actually I saw Nick Clegg do that on TV recently - so you're right, no-one. In my opinion he completely failed to do it and only allowed NF (what unfortunate initials) to pretend he had the upper hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 15, 2014 Of course he failed. I mean all he did was....... Wait, why would I tell you guys what you're doing wrong? haha... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted May 15, 2014 Of course he failed. I mean all he did was....... Wait, why would I tell you guys what you're doing wrong? haha... To be fair I don't think NF converted anybody they were both playing to their core audiences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 15, 2014 Whatever helps you sleep at night! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted May 15, 2014 The former Prime Minister of Belgium Jean Luc Dehane has died at 73 http://www.standaard...140515_01106617 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 15, 2014 The former Prime Minister of Belgium Jean Luc Dehaene has died at 73 http://www.standaard...140515_01106617 Fixed that for ya... Dies aged 73? Nobody could have seen that coming! I wonder if "Dehaene" roughly translates into English as Pickles? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 600 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. Thing I don't get is that 'when' Scotland gets Indy, the Tories will be unchallenged for a gazillion years unless all the Labour voters defect to UKIP (unlikely). The Tories should be backing Scotlands Indy bid (under the radar of course). For the record, Liberals don't count. Not even a proper party. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 600 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. Thing I don't get is that 'when' Scotland gets Indy, the Tories will be unchallenged for a gazillion years unless all the Labour voters defect to UKIP (unlikely). The Tories should be backing Scotlands Indy bid (under the radar of course). For the record, Liberals don't count. Not even a proper party. Under the radar, I think the Tories really ARE backing the Scottish independence vote. Stands to reason, like you say, without Scottish Labour MPs they may even win the "Left over" British Election outright next year. If they did not really want that breakaway and it's possible side effect, then the independence vote would have been kicked into the long grass some time ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. I remember a trick from the Euro elections in 1994 when a "Literal Democrat" down in the south west got 10,000 votes and denied the Lib Dems a seat or two under the proportional representation system... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. I remember a trick from the Euro elections in 1994 when a "Literal Democrat" down in the south west got 10,000 votes and denied the Lib Dems a seat or two under the proportional representation system... That's funny but it's not exactly the funniest thing from the 1994 Euro elections is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=438UKM1Av1g And don't stop watching before you get to the yogic flying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted May 15, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. I remember a trick from the Euro elections in 1994 when a "Literal Democrat" down in the south west got 10,000 votes and denied the Lib Dems a seat or two under the proportional representation system... Some guy did that in the 1997 Winchester election and subsequent by-election, not as if there wasn't already enough issues with that particular election. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted May 16, 2014 One of the key figures of the Watergate Scandal, Jeb Stuart Magruder, has died. He was the deputy director of Pres Nixons CREEP (Committee to RE-Elect the President) http://www.kentucky....t-magruder.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted May 16, 2014 Barring anything exceptional we're looking at at least 12-15 years before any of our former PMs cark it. No wonder they made such a fuss of Thatcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 16, 2014 Didn't Tony Blair have heart trouble while he was in office? He could easily cark it some time in the next 5 or 10 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted May 16, 2014 Didn't Tony Blair have heart trouble while he was in office? He could easily cark it some time in the next 5 or 10 years. ISTR Blair's heart trouble was that he doesn't have one. regards, Hein 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,586 Posted May 16, 2014 A friend of mine was sent a postal vote for the East Midlands constituency and showed me the Ballot paper. There were 5 separate anti-EU, anti immigrations parties (not including the Conservatives). I think most of them are put up by UKIP to make them look sane. To true. Very confusing, to those easily confused. What makes matters worse is that the top entry on the ballot reads "An Independence from Europe" with an EU flag that has been crossed through. Now I'm fairly sure that most people know about UKIP and those who wish to vote for them can do so in the alphabetically ordered list in the lowest position. But for those not fully "compost-mental" then this will wick away vital votes and depress the UKIP vote. Big question is (beyond the little know mad folk down at the English Democrats). Who put up these other mavericks? I think the Tories themselves have most to gain in acting to depress the UKIP vote. Crafty. Looking at the names of the candidates in some of these splinter groups it looks like they were once candidates for UKIP which seems to suggest that all is not well in Eurosceptic land and that there are a hundred little Napoleons each looking for their share of the limelight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted May 16, 2014 Basically you go from No to EU - Yes to workers rights to An Independence from Europe to We Demand A Referendum to UKIP to British National Party and cover the majority of the political spectrum. Nobody has any need to vote for a mainstream party if they support independence really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted May 16, 2014 Tony Blairs mum died of cancer in her 50s.It could be hereditary.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 16, 2014 Tony Blairs mum died of cancer in her 50s.It could be hereditary.. Yes. And his dad's dead too, so death runs in the family. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted May 16, 2014 The former Prime Minister of Belgium Jean Luc Dehane has died at 73 http://www.standaard...140515_01106617 He wasn't pushed over a bloke in a sky blue shirt by any chance? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
