Political Frailty

[alt obits guy 3,371]

Du Wei, the Chinese ambassador to Israel, has died. He was 57.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/17/middleeast/israel-chinese-ambassador-dead-intl/index.html

 

[alt obits guy 3,371]

Bill Olner, former Nuneaton MP, has died. He was 78. While it's noted he tested positive for COVID-19 and had underlying health issues, no cause of death has yet been given.

 

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/tragic-death-former-nuneaton-mp-18272462

 

[drol 11,945]

On 19/08/2019 at 03:30, Drewsky1211 said:

Former President of Mexico Luis Echeverria has died at 97.

Echeverria dead.

 

Yes, Alvaro Zuno Echeverria, son of former president Luis Echeverria, commited suicide at 71.

[Ulitzer95 12,587]

On 10/01/2020 at 12:28, Ulitzer95 said:

Agreed that a lot of them have been dropping off recently.

Thought I'd take this opportunity to look at how many WWII veterans from the three strands of government in the U.S. are still with us.

There are still 23 living formers members of the House of Representatives who served:

b. 1919: Lester L. Wolff
b. 1920: Neal Edward Smith
b. 1921: Mike McCormack
b. 1923: Bob Dole, Al Quie
b. 1924: Frank Joseph Guarini, Howard C. Nielson, Weston E. Vivian
b. 1925: Fletcher Thompson, G. William Whitehurst, Lucien Nedzi
b. 1926: J. Roy Rowland, Elwood Hillis, Earl Hutto, Mark Andrews, Robert J. Lagomarsino
b. 1927: Benjamin B. Blackburn, Arthur Ravenel, Jr., William J. Keating, Austin Murphy, Bud Brown, Edwin Edwards, Jim Weaver, James W. Symington

There are just 5 living Senators who served (they are also the top 5 oldest living):
b. 1923: James Buckley, Bob Dole (also listed above)
b. 1925: Daniel Evans
b. 1926: Mark Andrews (also listed above)
b. 1927: John Warner

There are 14 living Governors who served:
b. 1921: John Malcolm Patterson
b. 1922: Wayne Mixson
b. 1923: William Winter, Al Quie (also listed above), Linwood Holton
b. 1924: Dale E. Wolf, Jimmy Carter
b. 1925: Ted Schwinden, Daniel Evans (also listed above)
b. 1926: George Ariyoshi
b. 1927: Phil Batt, George Nigh, Winfield Dunn, Edwin Edwards (also listed above)

Jimmy Carter (also listed above) is of course the only living President who served. There are no living Vice Presidents who served.

6 living members of the Cabinet who served:

Johnson administration: Alan Stephenson Boyd (b. 1922), Ramsey Clark (b. 1927)
Nixon administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923), George Shultz (b. 1920)
Ford administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923, also listed above)
Carter administration: Charles Duncan (b. 1926), Ray Marshall (b. 1928)
Reagan administration: George Shultz (b. 1920, also listed above)

No living justices of the Supreme Court who served following the death of John Paul Stevens (1920–2019).

As far as I know, these are complete. I will do the UK (Commons and Lords) when I get time, but that will probably involve more research.

Howard C. Nielson, 95, Member of the House of Representatives for Utah (1983–1991) died this morning according to a tweet from his granddaughter.
 

[Philip 121]

On 10/01/2020 at 12:28, Ulitzer95 said:

Agreed that a lot of them have been dropping off recently.

Thought I'd take this opportunity to look at how many WWII veterans from the three strands of government in the U.S. are still with us.

There are still 24 living formers members of the House of Representatives who served:

b. 1919: Lester L. Wolff
b. 1920: Neal Edward Smith
b. 1921: Mike McCormack
b. 1923: Bob Dole, Al Quie
b. 1924: Frank Joseph Guarini, Howard C. Nielson, Weston E. Vivian
b. 1925: Fletcher Thompson, G. William Whitehurst, Lucien Nedzi
b. 1926: J. Roy Rowland, Elwood Hillis, Earl Hutto, Mark Andrews, Robert J. Lagomarsino
b. 1927: Benjamin B. Blackburn, Arthur Ravenel, Jr., William J. Keating, Austin Murphy, Bud Brown, Edwin Edwards, Jim Weaver, James W. Symington

There are just 5 living Senators who served (they are also the top 5 oldest living):
b. 1923: James Buckley, Bob Dole (also listed above)
b. 1925: Daniel Evans
b. 1926: Mark Andrews (also listed above)
b. 1927: John Warner

There are 14 living Governors who served:
b. 1921: John Malcolm Patterson
b. 1922: Wayne Mixson
b. 1923: William Winter, Al Quie (also listed above), Linwood Holton
b. 1924: Dale E. Wolf, Jimmy Carter
b. 1925: Ted Schwinden, Daniel Evans (also listed above)
b. 1926: George Ariyoshi
b. 1927: Phil Batt, George Nigh, Winfield Dunn, Edwin Edwards (also listed above)

Jimmy Carter (also listed above) is of course the only living President who served. There are no living Vice Presidents who served.

6 living members of the Cabinet who served:

Johnson administration: Alan Stephenson Boyd (b. 1922), Ramsey Clark (b. 1927)
Nixon administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923), George Shultz (b. 1920)
Ford administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923, also listed above)
Carter administration: Charles Duncan (b. 1926), Ray Marshall (b. 1928)
Reagan administration: George Shultz (b. 1920, also listed above)

No living justices of the Supreme Court who served following the death of John Paul Stevens (1920–2019).

As far as I know, these are complete. I will do the UK (Commons and Lords) when I get time, but that will probably involve more research.

William j. Keating has died

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox19.com/2020/05/20/bill-keating-former-congressman-enquirer-publisher-dead/%3foutputType=amp

[drol 11,945]

On 21/04/2020 at 12:04, drol said:

None of them is Mustafa Ben Halim though.

Mustafa Ben Halim accused of corruption and grabbing of public money. He and his family intend to sue the accusers. Only his son speaks on his behalf and no direct declaration comes from the old man, which is probably too frail to answer.

[Miracle Aligner 249]

This may have already been mentioned here but we now have a few more dead parliaments.

 

Following the death of James Ramsden on 29 March 2020 the initial parliament of 1951-1955 is dead as the sole survivor of the entire parliament. John Eden (born 1925), was not elected until a by-election 1954. Not including Eden, Robert Lindsay (b.1927) and Tom Mitchell* (b.1931) are the only survivors of the 1955-59 parliaments although Tom Mitchell was an Irish nat whose elections were overturned.

 

The 1935,1945 and 1950-1951 parliaments are all entirely dead. 

[Ulitzer95 12,587]

30 minutes ago, Miracle Aligner said:

This may have already been mentioned here but we now have a few more dead parliaments.

 

Following the death of James Ramsden on 29 March 2020 the initial parliament of 1951-1955 is dead as the sole survivor of the entire parliament. John Eden (born 1925), was not elected until a by-election 1954. Not including Eden, Robert Lindsay (b.1927) and Tom Mitchell* (b.1931) are the only survivors of the 1955-59 parliaments although Tom Mitchell was an Irish nat whose elections were overturned.

 

The 1935,1945 and 1950-1951 parliaments are all entirely dead. 

If either Eden or Lindsay die, we’ll know about it straight away. Mitchell last made a public appearance at a funeral of a former IRA grandee in ‘06. He’s listed on the UK Parliament’s former members list as being alive but if he died off radar it wouldn’t surprise me.

[Miracle Aligner 249]

15 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

If either Eden or Lindsay die, we’ll know about it straight away. Mitchell last made a public appearance at a funeral of a former IRA grandee in ‘06. He’s listed on the UK Parliament’s former members list as being alive but if he died off radar it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

Certainly wouldn't surprised if he had either, not to mention he's not technically a former MP. 

 

 

[CoffinLodger 1,248]

Oldest former world leader Hyun Soong Jong dead at 101 https://www.hankyung.com/politics/amp/202005253296Y Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere but I just thought I should mention it on this thread.

[YoungWillz 21,037]

Death Notice for former Tory MP for Bournemouth West, John Eden, aged 94: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/242040/eden

 

Another 90+ aged former MP not picked this year for the DDP. I'd guess he's a List of The Missed possibly.

 

Edit: Yep picked as long ago as 2008, who knows if earlier: http://www.derbydeadpool.co.uk/deadpool2008/celebs_E.html#edenjo

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,341]

18 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Death Notice for former Tory MP for Bournemouth West, John Eden, aged 94: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/242040/eden

 

Another 90+ aged former MP not picked this year for the DDP. I'd guess he's a List of The Missed possibly.

Wow wasn't he mentioned on here only very recently in a discussion if his death would get a mention in the media and a qualifying obituary?

[YoungWillz 21,037]

7 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Wow wasn't he mentioned on here only very recently in a discussion if his death would get a mention in the media and a qualifying obituary?

John Eden already dead prior to that discussion.

[CoffinLodger 1,248]

On 15/05/2020 at 08:49, Deathrace said:

Will the two living ex-MPs who have a 100th birthday scheduled for this year Sir Patrick Duffy (17 June) and Michael Shaw (9 October) make it to the century line? 

Statistically the likelihood of 3 MPs being 100 or over (inc Ronald Atkins)  at any one time or for any single MP to reach 100  is so low that one of them  must surely die before October 9. Therefore either Michael Shaw or Patrick Duffy will almost certainly die before their 100th birthday.Obviously as there is a lot longer before Shaws birthday he is most likely to die before he reaches 100. I predict Michael Shaw will die before the end of summer. Ronald Atkins and Patrick Duffy will probably follow not long after! 

[Miracle Aligner 249]

10 hours ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Wow wasn't he mentioned on here only very recently in a discussion if his death would get a mention in the media and a qualifying obituary?

 

Literally further up this page on the 24th May 2020. He died on the 23rd May.

 

As discussed there that now leaves the 1951-55 parliament as a 'dead parliament'. Were 2 away from the 1959-63 parliament becoming a 'dead parliament' with Tom Mitchell and Robert Lindsay although the former of those two is not technically a former MP as he was disqualified and had his election overturned so could only be 1 away. Someone fire off an email to the Torygraph or the Graniuad please, they like this rubbish for obits....
 

On 24/05/2020 at 14:47, Ulitzer95 said:

If either Eden or Lindsay die, we’ll know about it straight away. Mitchell last made a public appearance at a funeral of a former IRA grandee in ‘06. He’s listed on the UK Parliament’s former members list as being alive but if he died off radar it wouldn’t surprise me.

 

On 24/05/2020 at 14:15, Miracle Aligner said:

This may have already been mentioned here but we now have a few more dead parliaments.

 

Following the death of James Ramsden on 29 March 2020 the initial parliament of 1951-1955 is dead as the sole survivor of the entire parliament. John Eden (born 1925), was not elected until a by-election 1954. Not including Eden, Robert Lindsay (b.1927) and Tom Mitchell* (b.1931) are the only survivors of the 1955-59 parliaments although Tom Mitchell was an Irish nat whose elections were overturned.

 

The 1935,1945 and 1950-1951 parliaments are all entirely dead. 

 

[The Old Crem 3,583]

Sounds a fairly sudden death going this (Conor Burns resigned as a minster a few weeks ago after getting a week's suspension from the commons.)

 

[Deathrace 1,170]

6 hours ago, CoffinLodger said:

Statistically the likelihood of 3 MPs being 100 or over (inc Ronald Atkins)  at any one time or for any single MP to reach 100  is so low that one of them  must surely die before October 9. Therefore either Michael Shaw or Patrick Duffy will almost certainly die before their 100th birthday.Obviously as there is a lot longer before Shaws birthday he is most likely to die before he reaches 100. I predict Michael Shaw will die before the end of summer. Ronald Atkins and Patrick Duffy will probably follow not long after! 

It's worth noting that although no sitting Conservative MP has died in office for the past 15 years (and only one in 20 years), the few MPs who get to the century are mostly Labour MPs - Hazell, Atkins and possibly Duffy. A lot of former Conservative MPs seem to die in the 90-95 age bracket. 

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,341]

3 minutes ago, Deathrace said:

It's worth noting that although no sitting Conservative MP has died in office for the past 15 years (and only one in 20 years), the few MPs who get to the century are mostly Labour MPs - Hazell, Atkins and possibly Duffy. A lot of former Conservative MPs seem to die in the 90-95 age bracket. 

Perhaps being left wing or socialist is kinder on the body and soul....less damaging?!

[YoungWillz 21,037]

1 hour ago, Deathrace said:

It's worth noting that although no sitting Conservative MP has died in office for the past 15 years (and only one in 20 years), the few MPs who get to the century are mostly Labour MPs - Hazell, Atkins and possibly Duffy. A lot of former Conservative MPs seem to die in the 90-95 age bracket. 

Just from a feeling I get from recording the deaths of MPS over the last three years rather than statistically, Labour MPs tend to die younger, Tories tend to get to mid-eighties and early nineties. There are the exceptions, obviously, but Tories dying in their 70s is very much the exception, Labour MPs dying in their late 80s or above very much the exception.

[msc 18,439]

21 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Just from a feeling I get from recording the deaths of MPS over the last three years rather than statistically, Labour MPs tend to die younger, Tories tend to get to mid-eighties and early nineties. There are the exceptions, obviously, but Tories dying in their 70s is very much the exception, Labour MPs dying in their late 80s or above very much the exception.

 

Yeah, there's a spate of Labour MPs dying in their 50s-70s, mostly from working class vices (nae exercise, too much booze and fags, crap diet).

 

EDIT| - Working on a list for you, @YoungWillz

[The Old Crem 3,583]

25 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Just from a feeling I get from recording the deaths of MPS over the last three years rather than statistically, Labour MPs tend to die younger, Tories tend to get to mid-eighties and early nineties. There are the exceptions, obviously, but Tories dying in their 70s is very much the exception, Labour MPs dying in their late 80s or above very much the exception.

I think that will change as Labour mp's becomes less likely to have worked in industrial jobs and it's lifestyle.

[YoungWillz 21,037]

27 minutes ago, msc said:

 

Yeah, there's a spate of Labour MPs dying in their 50s-70s, mostly from working class vices (nae exercise, too much booze and fags, crap diet).

 

EDIT| - Working on a list for you, @YoungWillz

Just use my list on page 127, should be quicker.

 

With Atkins' birthday fast approaching, House Willz has a new motto - Update Is Coming.

[Miracle Aligner 249]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

Just use my list on page 127, should be quicker.

 

With Atkins' birthday fast approaching, House Willz has a new motto - Update Is Coming.

 

I'm currently running a re-do on the surviving over 70s list. Up to 1983. (As I know you went bonkers at the 70-75 lot.)

 

Although with the amount of died 2020 dates I've found half the list'll be dead by time I'm done. 

 

[msc 18,439]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

Just use my list on page 127, should be quicker.

 

Alas, not, as you know any list of mine is ludicrously long and stupid.

 

Right, here we go, every single Labour MP who has died since John Smith's death in 1994. As that gives a quarter century and is a famous premature death to kick things off from. I started by adding causes of death but after I realised how many fucking names this way I gave up on that bit...

 

 

 

1.    Hartley Shawcross, 101
2.    Bert Hazell, 101
3.    Ted Short, 99
4.    John Freeman, 99
5.    Denis Healey, 98
6.    Jack Dunnett, 97
7.    Carol Johnson, 97
8.    Douglas Houghton, 97
9.    George Wallace, 97
10.    William Wilson, 97
11.    Michael Foot, 96
12.    Jack Diamond, 96
13.    Robert Sheldon, 96
14.    Hugh Jenkins, 95
15.    John Platt-Mills, 95
16.    Ronald King Murray, 94
17.    David Lambie, 94
18.    WIlliam Howie, 94
19.    Ernest Millington, 93
20.    Ernest Kingdom, 93
21.    Bill Field, 93
22.    James Callaghan, 92 (Prime Minister)
23.    Mildred Gordon ,92
24.    Michael McGuire, 92
25.    Alec Woodall, 92
26.    Alan Thompson, 92
27.    John Lee, 92
28.    Barbara Castle, 91
29.    Albert Roberts, 91
30.    Roy Mason, 91
31.    Leo Abse, 91
32.    Alex Eadie, 91
33.    Joel Barnett, 91
34.    Walter Harrison, 91
35.    Frank Hooley, 91
36.    Lena Jager, 91
37.    Austen Albu, 91
38.    Jim Callaghan, 91 (not the Prime Minister)
39.    Norman Atkinson, 90
40.    RIchard Buchanan, 90
41.    Julius SIlverman, 90
42.    Eirene White, 90
43.    Bernard Conlan, 90
44.    Roland Moyle, 89
45.    Francis Noel-Baker, 89
46.    Margaret McKay, 89
47.    Arthur Davidson, 89
48.    Stan Thorne, 89
49.    Jack Ashley, 89 (pneumonia)
50.    Gwilyn Roberts, 89
51.    Donald Chapman, 89
52.    Edwin Wainwright, 89
53.    Frank Allaun, 89
54.    Tony Benn, 88 (multiple strokes)
55.    Tom Cox, 88
56.    Douglas Jay, 88
57.    Ernest Perry, 88
58.    Eric Moonman, 88
59.    John Ellis, 88
60.    Michael English, 88
61.    Roderick MacFarquhar, 88
62.    Hugh Brown, 88
63.    George Thomas, 88
64.    Ednyfed Hudson Davies, 88
65.    Sheila Wright, 88 (Long illness)
66.    Martin Flannery, 88
67.    Arthur Bottomley, 88
68.    David Watkins, 87 (stroke)
69.    Don Dixon, 87
70.    Thomas Christopher Boyd, 87
71.    Stanley Crowther, 87
72.    Henry Usborne, 87
73.    Gordon Bagier, 87
74.    Greville Janner, 87 (dementia)
75.    James Hamilton, 87
76.    Harold Boardman, 87
77.    George Thomson, 87
78.    Syd Tierney, 86
79.    Hugh McCartney, 86
80.    James Wellbeloved, 86
81.    Sir Gerald Kaufman, 86 ( long illness)
82.    John Gilbert, 86
83.    James Johnson, 86
84.    Doris FIsher, 86
85.    Geoffrey Lofthouse, 86
86.    James White, 86
87.    Nigel Spearing, 86
88.    Allen McKay, 86
89.    Brian Walden, 86
90.    Arthur Latham, 86
91.    Jock Stollard, 86
92.    Joe Ashton, 86 (dementia complications)
93.    Piara Khabra, 85 (liver failure)
94.    Merlyn Rees, 85
95.    Michael Welsh, 85
96.    Denis Coe, 85
97.    Hugh Gray, 85
98.    John Evans, 85
99.    Michael Barnes, 85
100.    Peter Archer, 85
101.    Tom Ellis, 85
102.    Bruce Millan, 85
103.    Andrew McMahon, 85
104.    Charles Morris, 85
105.    Walter Johnson, 85
106.    David Kerr, 85
107.    Bob Wareing, 84 (chest infection)
108.    Peter Doig, 84
109.    Tam Dalyell, 84 (short illness)
110.    John Mackie, 84
111.    Ron Ledger, 84
112.    Cledwyn Hughes, 84
113.    Kenneth Robinson, 84
114.    Alan Williams, 84 (stroke complications)
115.    Alf Morris, 84 (short illness)
116.    Jack Dormand, 84
117.    John Hughes, 84
118.    Caerwyn Roderick, 84
119.    Paul Flynn, 83 (long illness)
120.    Edward Lyons, 83
121.    John Forrester, 83
122.    Frank Marsden, 83
123.    Thomas Torney, 83
124.    Ashley Brammall, 83
125.    Christophr Price, 83
126.    Anthony Gardner, 83
127.    William Whitlock, 83
128.    Renee Short, 83
129.    Lewis Carter-Jones, 83
130.    Richard Marsh, 83
131.    Kevin McNamara, 82 (pancreatic cancer)
132.    Stan Orme, 82
133.    Jack Thompson, 82
134.    Robert Cant, 82
135.    Willie Hamilton, 82
136.    John Fraser, 82
137.    James Dickens, 82
138.    Dick Douglas, 82
139.    William Molloy, 82
140.    William McKelvey, 82 (long illness)
141.    Derek Foster 81 (cancer)
142.    Terence Boston, 81
143.    David Pitt, 81
144.    Dr Norman Godman, 81 (sudden illness)
145.    Albert Booth, 81
146.    Bill Michie, 81 (chest infection)
147.    Ian Campbell, 81
148.    Maurice Miller, 81
149.    Ernest Armstrong, 81
150.    John Moore, 81
151.    Denzil Davies, 80
152.    Syd Bidwell, 80
153.    Bob Litherland, 80 (long cancer battle)
154.    Nigel Beard, 80 (long illness)
155.    Helen McElhone, 80
156.    Reg Freeson, 80
157.    Frank Dobson, 79 (cancer)
158.    Neil Carmichael 79
159.    Niall MacDermot, 79
160.    Alfred Bates, 79
161.    Eddie Loyden, 79 (Alzheimers complications)
162.    Harold Wilson, 79 (dementia)
163.    Paul Rose, 79
164.    Ben Whitaker, 79
165.    Bill Olner, 78 (COVID)
166.    Roy Hughes, 78
167.    Derek Page, 78
168.    John Ryman, 78
169.    Eddie O'Hara, 78 (COPD)
170.    Robin Corbett, 78 (lung cancer)
171.    Cecil Franks, 78
172.    Roger Thomas, 78
173.    James Lamond, 78
174.    Brian Sedgemore, 78 (fall in hospital)
175.    Bruce George, 77 (Alzheimers complications)
176.    Peter Shore, 77 (short illness)
177.    Kenneth Lomas, 77
178.    Ken Purchase, 77 (never announced)
179.    Brian Parkyn, 77
180.    Ted Leadbitter, 77 (car accident)
181.    Andrew Faulds, 77 (short illness)
182.    Rhodri Morgan, 77 (heart problems)
183.    Gwnyeth Dunwoody, 77 (complications from emergency heart surgery)
184.    Michael Ward, 77
185.    James Tinn, 77
186.    Frank Cook, 76 (lung cancer)
187.    Stan Cohen, 76
188.    Joseph Dean, 76
189.    Fred Mulley, 76
190.    John Garrett, 76
191.    Norman Haseldine, 76
192.    John Dunwoody, 76
193.    Harold Walker, 76 (short illness)
194.    Maurice Foley, 76
195.    Harry Ewing, 76
196.    Eric Varley, 75
197.    Dennis Hobden, 75
198.    Michael Meacher, 75 (sudden illness)
199.    Jimmy Wray, 75 (bowel cancer)
200.    John Ovenden, 75
201.    John Gunnell, 74 (short illness)
202.    Gordon Oakes, 74 (cancer)
203.    Stuart Randall, 74
204.    Stuart Bell, 74 (long battle with cancer, a newspaper did a bit on him being lazy and had to back track when they learned he was in hospice care)
205.    Alan Keen, 74 (cancer)
206.    Colin Phipps, 74
207.    Jim Dobbin, 73 (drank too much absinthe)
208.    Christine Butler, 73 (dementia)
209.    Sir Ray Powell, 73 (asthma attack)
210.    Bruce Douglas-Mann, 73
211.    Don Concannon, 73
212.    John Cummings, 73 (lung cancer)
213.    William Hilton, 73
214.    Alistair MacDonald, 73
215.    Michael Martin, 72 (long illness)
216.    David Ennals, 72
217.    David Young, 72
218.    Peter Hardy, 72 (short illness)
219.    Terry Fields, 71
220.    John Ryan, 71
221.    Dennis Turner, 71 (Lung problems)
222.    Jeremy Bray, 71 (heart problems)
223.    Tommy Graham, 71 (fat bastard)
224.    Michael Cocks, 71
225.    Andrew Miller, 70 (cancer)
226.    Tessa Jowell, 70 (brain cancer)
227.    Gerry Steinberg, 70 (cancer)
228.    Norman Hogg, 70 (long illness)
229.    Rudi Vis, 69 (cancer)
230.    Jimmy Hood, 69 (being a fat bastard)
231.    Roland Boyles, 69 (early on set dementia)
232.    Ron Brown, 69
233.    William Edwards, 69
234.    Sam Galbraith, 68 (turned down a lung transplant so someone younger could get it)
235.    Frank Doran, 68 (cancer)
236.    Audrey Wise, 68 (brain cancer)
237.    John McWilliam, 68 (short illness)
238.    Philip Whitehead, 68
239.    Robert Parry, 67 (stroke and heart problems)
240.    Ellis Hillman, 67 (heart attack)
241.    Jimmy Dunnachie, 66 (cancer)
242.    Joan Lestor, 66 (motor neurone disease)
243.    Ivor Clemitson, 66
244.    Alan Garner, 66
245.    Edward Griffiths, 66
246.    Malcolm Wicks, 65 (cancer)
247.    John Tilley, 64
248.    William Price, 64
249.    David Taylor, 63 (heart attack)
250.    Tony Banks, 63 (massive stroke)
251.    Jim Marshall, 63 (heart attack likely caused by stress over his Iraq War opposition stance)
252.    Donald Dewar, 63 (brain haemoraghe)
253.    John Watkinson, 63
254.    Sam McCluskie, 63
255.    Candy Atherton, 62 (sudden death but looked frail in her last appearances)
256.    Harry Harpham, 61 (cancer)
257.    Rachel Squire, 61 (brain cancer and multiple strokes)
258.    Paul Goggins, 60 (massive stroke)
259.    Derek Enright, 60 (heart)
260.    John MacDougall, 60 (mesothelioma)
261.    Robin Cook, 59 (heart attack, fell down mountain)
262.    Brian White, 59 (esophageal cancer)
263.    Martin Redmond, 59 (undisclosed)
264.    Marsha Singh, 57 (some sort of brain illness)
265.    Roger Stott, 56 (liver cancer)
266.    Bernie Grant, 56 (heart attack)
267.    Terry Patchett, 56 (cancer)
268.    Jamie Cann, 55 (liver failure)
269.    Mo Mowlam, 55 (brain cancer)
270.    Ashok Kumar, 53 (sudden heart failure)
271.    Derek Fatchett, 53 (heart attack)
272.    Kevin Hughes, 53 (motor neurone disease)
273.    Fiona Jones, 49 (alcoholism after wrongful jail sentence)
274.    Paul Daisley, 45 (colon cancer)
275.    David Cairns, 44 (pancreatitis)
276.    Jo Cox, 41 (Murdered by a Nazi)
277.    Gordon McMaster, 37 (suicide, was being blackmailed over his homosexuality)

 

Fucking hell.

 

Anyhow, I think this proves you both right in a way - yes, the average is 82 and theres lots of long lived Labour MPs, but there's also a staggering number of "dead before 75" names on there. Also, I'm pretty sure the Tories tend to die in their 80s and 90s more often but given Thatcher spawned several million of those I'm not checking!

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4 minutes ago, msc said:

 

Alas, not, as you know any list of mine is ludicrously long and stupid.

 

Right, here we go, every single Labour MP who has died since John Smith's death in 1994. As that gives a quarter century and is a famous premature death to kick things off from. I started by adding causes of death but after I realised how many fucking names this way I gave up on that bit...

 

 

 

1.    Hartley Shawcross, 101
2.    Bert Hazell, 101
3.    Ted Short, 99
4.    John Freeman, 99
5.    Denis Healey, 98
6.    Jack Dunnett, 97
7.    Carol Johnson, 97
8.    Douglas Houghton, 97
9.    George Wallace, 97
10.    William Wilson, 97
11.    Michael Foot, 96
12.    Jack Diamond, 96
13.    Robert Sheldon, 96
14.    Hugh Jenkins, 95
15.    John Platt-Mills, 95
16.    Ronald King Murray, 94
17.    David Lambie, 94
18.    WIlliam Howie, 94
19.    Ernest Millington, 93
20.    Ernest Kingdom, 93
21.    Bill Field, 93
22.    James Callaghan, 92 (Prime Minister)
23.    Mildred Gordon ,92
24.    Michael McGuire, 92
25.    Alec Woodall, 92
26.    Alan Thompson, 92
27.    John Lee, 92
28.    Barbara Castle, 91
29.    Albert Roberts, 91
30.    Roy Mason, 91
31.    Leo Abse, 91
32.    Alex Eadie, 91
33.    Joel Barnett, 91
34.    Walter Harrison, 91
35.    Frank Hooley, 91
36.    Lena Jager, 91
37.    Austen Albu, 91
38.    Jim Callaghan, 91 (not the Prime Minister)
39.    Norman Atkinson, 90
40.    RIchard Buchanan, 90
41.    Julius SIlverman, 90
42.    Eirene White, 90
43.    Bernard Conlan, 90
44.    Roland Moyle, 89
45.    Francis Noel-Baker, 89
46.    Margaret McKay, 89
47.    Arthur Davidson, 89
48.    Stan Thorne, 89
49.    Jack Ashley, 89 (pneumonia)
50.    Gwilyn Roberts, 89
51.    Donald Chapman, 89
52.    Edwin Wainwright, 89
53.    Frank Allaun, 89
54.    Tony Benn, 88 (multiple strokes)
55.    Tom Cox, 88
56.    Douglas Jay, 88
57.    Ernest Perry, 88
58.    Eric Moonman, 88
59.    John Ellis, 88
60.    Michael English, 88
61.    Roderick MacFarquhar, 88
62.    Hugh Brown, 88
63.    George Thomas, 88
64.    Ednyfed Hudson Davies, 88
65.    Sheila Wright, 88 (Long illness)
66.    Martin Flannery, 88
67.    Arthur Bottomley, 88
68.    David Watkins, 87 (stroke)
69.    Don Dixon, 87
70.    Thomas Christopher Boyd, 87
71.    Stanley Crowther, 87
72.    Henry Usborne, 87
73.    Gordon Bagier, 87
74.    Greville Janner, 87 (dementia)
75.    James Hamilton, 87
76.    Harold Boardman, 87
77.    George Thomson, 87
78.    Syd Tierney, 86
79.    Hugh McCartney, 86
80.    James Wellbeloved, 86
81.    Sir Gerald Kaufman, 86 ( long illness)
82.    John Gilbert, 86
83.    James Johnson, 86
84.    Doris FIsher, 86
85.    Geoffrey Lofthouse, 86
86.    James White, 86
87.    Nigel Spearing, 86
88.    Allen McKay, 86
89.    Brian Walden, 86
90.    Arthur Latham, 86
91.    Jock Stollard, 86
92.    Joe Ashton, 86 (dementia complications)
93.    Piara Khabra, 85 (liver failure)
94.    Merlyn Rees, 85
95.    Michael Welsh, 85
96.    Denis Coe, 85
97.    Hugh Gray, 85
98.    John Evans, 85
99.    Michael Barnes, 85
100.    Peter Archer, 85
101.    Tom Ellis, 85
102.    Bruce Millan, 85
103.    Andrew McMahon, 85
104.    Charles Morris, 85
105.    Walter Johnson, 85
106.    David Kerr, 85
107.    Bob Wareing, 84 (chest infection)
108.    Peter Doig, 84
109.    Tam Dalyell, 84 (short illness)
110.    John Mackie, 84
111.    Ron Ledger, 84
112.    Cledwyn Hughes, 84
113.    Kenneth Robinson, 84
114.    Alan Williams, 84 (stroke complications)
115.    Alf Morris, 84 (short illness)
116.    Jack Dormand, 84
117.    John Hughes, 84
118.    Caerwyn Roderick, 84
119.    Paul Flynn, 83 (long illness)
120.    Edward Lyons, 83
121.    John Forrester, 83
122.    Frank Marsden, 83
123.    Thomas Torney, 83
124.    Ashley Brammall, 83
125.    Christophr Price, 83
126.    Anthony Gardner, 83
127.    William Whitlock, 83
128.    Renee Short, 83
129.    Lewis Carter-Jones, 83
130.    Richard Marsh, 83
131.    Kevin McNamara, 82 (pancreatic cancer)
132.    Stan Orme, 82
133.    Jack Thompson, 82
134.    Robert Cant, 82
135.    Willie Hamilton, 82
136.    John Fraser, 82
137.    James Dickens, 82
138.    Dick Douglas, 82
139.    William Molloy, 82
140.    William McKelvey, 82 (long illness)
141.    Derek Foster 81 (cancer)
142.    Terence Boston, 81
143.    David Pitt, 81
144.    Dr Norman Godman, 81 (sudden illness)
145.    Albert Booth, 81
146.    Bill Michie, 81 (chest infection)
147.    Ian Campbell, 81
148.    Maurice Miller, 81
149.    Ernest Armstrong, 81
150.    John Moore, 81
151.    Denzil Davies, 80
152.    Syd Bidwell, 80
153.    Bob Litherland, 80 (long cancer battle)
154.    Nigel Beard, 80 (long illness)
155.    Helen McElhone, 80
156.    Reg Freeson, 80
157.    Frank Dobson, 79 (cancer)
158.    Neil Carmichael 79
159.    Niall MacDermot, 79
160.    Alfred Bates, 79
161.    Eddie Loyden, 79 (Alzheimers complications)
162.    Harold Wilson, 79 (dementia)
163.    Paul Rose, 79
164.    Ben Whitaker, 79
165.    Bill Olner, 78 (COVID)
166.    Roy Hughes, 78
167.    Derek Page, 78
168.    John Ryman, 78
169.    Eddie O'Hara, 78 (COPD)
170.    Robin Corbett, 78 (lung cancer)
171.    Cecil Franks, 78
172.    Roger Thomas, 78
173.    James Lamond, 78
174.    Brian Sedgemore, 78 (fall in hospital)
175.    Bruce George, 77 (Alzheimers complications)
176.    Peter Shore, 77 (short illness)
177.    Kenneth Lomas, 77
178.    Ken Purchase, 77 (never announced)
179.    Brian Parkyn, 77
180.    Ted Leadbitter, 77 (car accident)
181.    Andrew Faulds, 77 (short illness)
182.    Rhodri Morgan, 77 (heart problems)
183.    Gwnyeth Dunwoody, 77 (complications from emergency heart surgery)
184.    Michael Ward, 77
185.    James Tinn, 77
186.    Frank Cook, 76 (lung cancer)
187.    Stan Cohen, 76
188.    Joseph Dean, 76
189.    Fred Mulley, 76
190.    John Garrett, 76
191.    Norman Haseldine, 76
192.    John Dunwoody, 76
193.    Harold Walker, 76 (short illness)
194.    Maurice Foley, 76
195.    Harry Ewing, 76
196.    Eric Varley, 75
197.    Dennis Hobden, 75
198.    Michael Meacher, 75 (sudden illness)
199.    Jimmy Wray, 75 (bowel cancer)
200.    John Ovenden, 75
201.    John Gunnell, 74 (short illness)
202.    Gordon Oakes, 74 (cancer)
203.    Stuart Randall, 74
204.    Stuart Bell, 74 (long battle with cancer, a newspaper did a bit on him being lazy and had to back track when they learned he was in hospice care)
205.    Alan Keen, 74 (cancer)
206.    Colin Phipps, 74
207.    Jim Dobbin, 73 (drank too much absinthe)
208.    Christine Butler, 73 (dementia)
209.    Sir Ray Powell, 73 (asthma attack)
210.    Bruce Douglas-Mann, 73
211.    Don Concannon, 73
212.    John Cummings, 73 (lung cancer)
213.    William Hilton, 73
214.    Alistair MacDonald, 73
215.    Michael Martin, 72 (long illness)
216.    David Ennals, 72
217.    David Young, 72
218.    Peter Hardy, 72 (short illness)
219.    Terry Fields, 71
220.    John Ryan, 71
221.    Dennis Turner, 71 (Lung problems)
222.    Jeremy Bray, 71 (heart problems)
223.    Tommy Graham, 71 (fat bastard)
224.    Michael Cocks, 71
225.    Andrew Miller, 70 (cancer)
226.    Tessa Jowell, 70 (brain cancer)
227.    Gerry Steinberg, 70 (cancer)
228.    Norman Hogg, 70 (long illness)
229.    Rudi Vis, 69 (cancer)
230.    Jimmy Hood, 69 (being a fat bastard)
231.    Roland Boyles, 69 (early on set dementia)
232.    Ron Brown, 69
233.    William Edwards, 69
234.    Sam Galbraith, 68 (turned down a lung transplant so someone younger could get it)
235.    Frank Doran, 68 (cancer)
236.    Audrey Wise, 68 (brain cancer)
237.    John McWilliam, 68 (short illness)
238.    Philip Whitehead, 68
239.    Robert Parry, 67 (stroke and heart problems)
240.    Ellis Hillman, 67 (heart attack)
241.    Jimmy Dunnachie, 66 (cancer)
242.    Joan Lestor, 66 (motor neurone disease)
243.    Ivor Clemitson, 66
244.    Alan Garner, 66
245.    Edward Griffiths, 66
246.    Malcolm Wicks, 65 (cancer)
247.    John Tilley, 64
248.    William Price, 64
249.    David Taylor, 63 (heart attack)
250.    Tony Banks, 63 (massive stroke)
251.    Jim Marshall, 63 (heart attack likely caused by stress over his Iraq War opposition stance)
252.    Donald Dewar, 63 (brain haemoraghe)
253.    John Watkinson, 63
254.    Sam McCluskie, 63
255.    Candy Atherton, 62 (sudden death but looked frail in her last appearances)
256.    Harry Harpham, 61 (cancer)
257.    Rachel Squire, 61 (brain cancer and multiple strokes)
258.    Paul Goggins, 60 (massive stroke)
259.    Derek Enright, 60 (heart)
260.    John MacDougall, 60 (mesothelioma)
261.    Robin Cook, 59 (heart attack, fell down mountain)
262.    Brian White, 59 (esophageal cancer)
263.    Martin Redmond, 59 (undisclosed)
264.    Marsha Singh, 57 (some sort of brain illness)
265.    Roger Stott, 56 (liver cancer)
266.    Bernie Grant, 56 (heart attack)
267.    Terry Patchett, 56 (cancer)
268.    Jamie Cann, 55 (liver failure)
269.    Mo Mowlam, 55 (brain cancer)
270.    Ashok Kumar, 53 (sudden heart failure)
271.    Derek Fatchett, 53 (heart attack)
272.    Kevin Hughes, 53 (motor neurone disease)
273.    Fiona Jones, 49 (alcoholism after wrongful jail sentence)
274.    Paul Daisley, 45 (colon cancer)
275.    David Cairns, 44 (pancreatitis)
276.    Jo Cox, 41 (Murdered by a Nazi)
277.    Gordon McMaster, 37 (suicide, was being blackmailed over his homosexuality)

 

Fucking hell.

 

Anyhow, I think this proves you both right in a way - yes, the average is 82 and theres lots of long lived Labour MPs, but there's also a staggering number of "dead before 75" names on there. Also, I'm pretty sure the Tories tend to die in their 80s and 90s more often but given Thatcher spawned several million of those I'm not checking!

Gosh respect for your dedication and detailed effort!

Is there any discernible patterns with liberal, northern Ireland mps and the SNP?