FixedBusiness 407 Posted January 3, 2019 I'll enter. I'll submit a team later in the month Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, the_engineer said: I never saw holby, casualty or the bill as soaps but doctors i do. How about we go on what has been nominated for an award in the soap category at award shows? I'm currently compiling a - very long - list of television shows - involving the use of that wiki page and few other sources - that I'd deem acceptable for this competition. It includes a few shows that many probably see as soaps and a few that might make people go what.... once it's up I'll invite discussion on it and any that might need to be removed to satisfy general deadpooling consensus.... Meanwhile, feel free to debate the merits of certain shows being soaps. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted January 3, 2019 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_radio_soap_operas Doesn't have Home Front, which I would certainly have classed as a soap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,139 Posted January 3, 2019 For me it's only a soap if it's on every week, all year round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted January 3, 2019 Home Front was on every day for over 4 years..... WW1 day by day, a hundred years on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, charon said: Home Front was on every day for over 4 years..... WW1 day by day, a hundred years on. That wiki page is fucking useless to all accounts. Doesn't list any of the radio soap operas broadcast in the US that didn't go telly of which there are fuck-tonnes.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 3, 2019 21 hours ago, Handrejka said: Do continuing dramas such as Casualty , Holby et al count as soaps? What about The Bill or Angels? The Bill raises a serious question of defining a soap opera - for ease "soap opera" status will be granted to any show which ran in soap format for part of it's run. Continuing dramas that would generally be lumped in as soapy will be granted (your Casualty, Holby City's of the world. I'll put a list below, but that list is open to expansion by the general wisdom, as well as narrowing by the general wisdom. It should also serve as useful researching starting point for deadpoolers with better things to do than actually watch soap operas (allegedly).... In other news i just realised why no-one else had started this deadpool.... 20 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said: Well that changes my thinking Initial List of TV and Radio Programmes Accepted Good luck find picks for half of these let alone obitable ones but best to be as comprehensive as possible: *note because I don't have an unlimited life-span this list is limited to the UK. USA, Ireland and Australia (TV only bar Blue Hills). Other countries (and Australian radio) can apply for inclusion: Not exhaustive ^see above, deliberately lenient to give you more to pick from: 252 shows accepted initially. 2 have been adeed. 199 Park Lane (1965) - TV All Saints (1998-2009) - TV Albion Market (1985-1986) - TV Above the Law (2000-2001) - TV Adopter Daughter (1939-1941) - Radio A Flame in the Wind (1964-1965) - TV Against the Storm (1939-1952) - Radio The Appleyards (1952 - 1957) - Radio All My Children (1970-2011, 2013) - TV/Internet TV Amanda of Honeymoon Hill (1940-1946) - Radio Arnold Grimms Daughter (1937-1942) - Radio Angels (UK) (1975 - 1983) - TV Another World (1964-1999) - TV Another World: Somerset (1970-1976) - TV The Archers (1951 - Present) - Radio As the World Turns (1956-2010) - TV Aunt Jenny's Real Life Stories (1937-1955) - Radio Aunt Mary (1942-1951) - Radio Autumn Affair (1958) - TV A World Apart (1970-1971) - TV Bachelor's Children (1935-1946) - Radio Backstage Wife (1935-1959) - Radio Baywatch (1989-2001) - TV Bellbird (1967-1977) - TV The Best of Everything (1970) - TV Betty and Bob (1932-1940) - Radio Big Sister (1936-1942) - Radio The Bill (1983-2010) - TV Blue Heelers (1994-2006) - TV Blue Hills (1949-1976) - Radio Blue Water High (2005-2008) - TV The Bold and the Beatiful (1987-Present) - TV The Box (1974-1977) - TV Bracken (1978-1982) - TV Brave Tomorrow (1943-1944) - Radio Breakers (1998-1999) - TV Brenda Curtis (1939-1940) - Radio The Brighter Day (1954 - 1962) - Radio and TV then TV Bright Promise (1969-1972) - TV Bright Horizon (1941-1945) - Radio Brookside (1982 - 2003) - TV Capitol (1982-1987) - TV The Carters of Elm Street (1939-1940) - Radio Carson's Law (1983-1984) - TV Casualty (1986 - Present) - TV Casualty 1900s (2006-2009) - TV Castles (1995) - TV The Cedar Tree (1976-1979) - TV Central City (1938-1941) - Radio Central Park West (1995-1996) - TV Clara, Lu & Em (1930-1942) - Radio Citizens (1987 - 1991) - Radio The City (1995-1997) - TV Chances (1991-1992) - TV Class of '74/Class of 75(Aus) (1974-1975) - TV The Clear Horizon (1960-1962) - TV The Colbys (1985-1987) - TV The Colcloughs (1991-1993, 2016-Present) - Radio Compact (1962-1965) - TV Cop Shop (1977-1984) - TV Coronation Street (1960 - Present) - TV A Country Practice (1981-1994) - TV CrashBurn (2003) - TV Crossroads (1964-1988, 2001-2003) Crown Court (1973-1984) - TV The Cut (2009 - 2010) - TV Mrs Dales Diaries (1948 - 1969) - Radio Dan Harding's Wife (1936-1938) - Radio Dante's Cove (2005-2007) - TV David Harum (1936-1950) - Radio Days of Our Lives (1965-Present) - TV Desperate Housewives (2004-2012) - TV Dallas (1978-1991,2012-2014) - TV Dark Shadows (1966-1971) - TV Daytime Divas (2017) - TV Devious Maids (2013-2016) - TV Doc Barclay's Daughter's (1939-1940) - Radio Doctors - (2000 - Present) - TV The Doctors (US) (1963-1982) - TV Division 4 (1969-1976) - TV Dr Finlay's Casebook (1962-71) - TV Dynasty (1981-1989, 2017-Present) - TV EastEnders (1985 - Present) - TV Emergency - Ward 10 (1957-1967) - TV Emmerdale Farm / Emmerdale (1972 - Present) - TV Echo Beach (2008) - TV Echo Point (1995) - TV The Edge of the Night (1956-1984) - TV Eldorado (1992 - 1993) - TV Empire (2015 - Present) - TV E Street (1989-1993) - TV Fair City (1989-Present) - TV Falcon Crest (1981-1990) - TV Families (1990 - 1993) - TV Family and Friends (Aus) (1990)- TV Family Affairs (1997 - 2005) - TV Family Pride (1991-1992) - TV Family Skelton (1953-1954) - Radio Front Page Farrell (1941-1954) - Radio Front Line Family (1941-1948) - Radio The Flying Doctors / R.F.D.S (1985-1994) - TV Garnock Way (1976-1979) - TV General Hospital (UK) (1972-79) - TV General Hospital (US) (1963-Present) - TV Generations (US) (1989-1991) - TV Girl Alone (1935-1941) - Radio The Goldbergs (1929 - 1950) - Radio Glenroe (1983-2001) - TV Guiding Light (1937 - 2009) - Radio then TV The Grove Family (1954-1957) - TV G.P (1989-1996) - TV Glenview High (1977-1978) - TV Greenleaf (2016 - Present) - TV The Haves and The Have Nots (2013 - Present) - TV headLand (2005-2006) - TV Heartbeat (1992 - 2010) - TV Heartbreak High (1994-1999) - TV Helpmate (1941-1944) - TV Hit the Floor (2013 - 2018) - TV Holby Blue (1999 - Present) - TV Holby City (1999 - Present) - TV Hollyoaks (1995 - Present) - TV Home Front (2014 - 2018) - Radio Home and Away (1988-Present) - TV Homicide (1964-1977) - TV Howard's Way (1985 - 1990) - TV If Loving You Is Wrong (2014 - Present) - TV Jane Arden (1938-1939) - Radio Joyce Jordan, M.D (1938-1956) - Radio Judy and Jane (1932-1935) - Radio Jupiter Moon (1990, 1996) - TV Just Plain Bill (1932-1955) - Radio The Kennedy's of Castleross (1955-1973) - Radio Kitty Foyle (1942-1944) - Radio Kitty Keene, Incorporated (1937-1941) - Radio Knots Landing (1979-1993) - TV Life Can be Beautiful (1938-1954) - Radio The Light of the World (1940-1950) - Radio London Bridge (1996-1999) - TV Lonely Woman (1942-1943) - Radio Lora Lawton (1943-1950) - Radio Lorenzo Jones (1937-1955) - Radio Love of Life (1951-1980) - TV Love Is A Many Splendored Thing (1967-1973) - TV Love My Way (2004-2007) - TV Loving (1983-1995) - TV Machair (1992 - 1998) - TV Market in Honey Lane (1967-1969) - TV Matlock Police (1971-1975) - TV Ma Perkins (1933-1966) - Radio McLeod's Daughters (2001-2009) - TV Melrose Place (1992-1999) - TV Mistresses (2013-2016) - TV Models Inc (1994-1995) - TV Motel (1968) - TV Murder Call (1997-2000) - TV My True Story (1943-1956) - Radio Myrt and Marge (1931-1942) - Radio Nashville (2012-2018) - TV Neighbours (1985-Present) - TV Never Too Young (1965-1966) - TV Night and Day (2001 - 2003) - TV The Newarkers (2013) - Radio The Newcomers (1965-1969)- TV The Nurses (US) (1965-1967) - TV Number 96 (1972-1977) - TV One Life to Live (1968-2012,2013) - TV/Internet TV One Man's Family (1932-1959) - Radio The O'Neills (1935-1943) - Radio Our Gal Sunday (1936-1959) - Radio Out of the Blue (2008-2009) - TV Pacific Drive (1996-2001) - TV Painted Dreams (1930-1943) - Radio Paradise Beach (1993-1994) - TV Passions (1999-2008) - TV Penny for Your Thoughts (2018) - Radio Pepper's Young Family (1932-1959) - Radio Perry Mason (1943-1955) - Radio Peyton Place (1964-1969) - TV Pobol y Cwym (1974-1978) - TV Port Charles (1997-2003) - TV Portia Faces Life (1940-1952) - Radio The Power, The Passion (Aus) (1989) - TV The Practice (1985-1986) - TV Pretty Kitty Kelly (1937-1940) - Radio Prisoner: Cell Block H (1979-1986) - TV Quayside (1997) - TV The Restless Years (1977-1981) - TV Red Rock (2015-Present) - TV Return to Eden (1983-1986) - TV Revenge (2011-2015) - TV Richmond Hill (Aus) (1988) - TV The Right to Hapiness (1939-1960) - Radio The Riordans (1965-1979) - TV Rituals (1984-1985) - TV The Road to Life (1937-1959) - Radio The Romance of Helen Trent (1933-1960) - Radio Ros na Run (1996-Present) - TV Rosemary (1944-1955) - Radio Rownd Rownd (1995 - Present) TV The Royal (2003 - 2011) - TV The Royal Today (2008) - TV The Royals (US) (2015-2018) - TV Rush (1974-1976) - TV Rush (2008-2011) - TV Ryan's Hope (1975-1989) - TV Santa Barbara (1984-1993) - TV Tolka Row (1964-1968) - TV The Search for Tomorrow (1951-1986) - TV The Second Mrs Burton (1946-1960) - Radio The Secret Life of Us (2001-2005) - TV The Secret Storm (1954-1974) - TV Silver Street (2004 - 2010) - Radio Skyways (1979-1981) - TV Solo One (1976) - TV Something in the Air (2000-2002) - TV Sons and Daughters (1981-1987) - TV Springhill (1996-1997) - TV Staying Well in Camberwell (2011) - Radio Stella Dellas (1937-1955) - Radio Starting Out (1983) Stingers (1998-2004) (Aus) - TV The Story of Mary Marlin (1935-1952) - Radio The Story of Peter Gray (1961-1962) - TV The Strange Romance of Evelyn Winters (1944-1952) - Radio Sunset Beach (1997-1999) - TV The Sullivans (1976-1983) - TV Take the High Road (1980-2003) - TV Taurus Rising (1982) - TV Texas (1980-1982) - TV The Young and the Restless (1973 - Present) - TV This is Nora Drake (1947-1959) - Radio Today's Children (1933-1950) - Radio Together (1980) - TV United! (1965-67)- TV Until Tomorrow (1975) - TV Valiant Lady (1938-1952) - Radio Waggoner's Walk (1969-1980)- Radio Waterloo Rood (2006-2015) - TV Waterloo Station (1983) - TV Water Rats (1996-2001) - TV Weavers Green (1966)- TV We Love and Learn (1942-1956) - Radio Wendy Warren and the News (1947-1958) - Radio Westway (1997) - Radio When a Girl Marries (1939-1957) - Radio Wildside (1997-1999) - TV The Woman in My House (1951-1959) - Radio Woman in White (1938-1948) - Radio A Woman of America (1943-1945) - Radio The Young Doctors (Aus) (1976-1982) - TV Young Doctor Malone (1939-1960) - Radio Young Widder Brown (1938-1956) - Radio Your Family and Mine (1938-1949) - Radio List of TV and Radio Programmes rejected *None Yet 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,341 Posted January 4, 2019 Would old American glitzy ,glamorous , glossy American shows like Falcon Crest ,The Colbys ,Dallas ,Dynasty ,Knots Landing count as soaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: Would old American glitzy ,glamorous , glossy American shows like Falcon Crest ,The Colbys ,Dallas ,Dynasty ,Knots Landing count as soaps? Apologies for the bluntness of this reply. Yes! See the post directly above yours.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,577 Posted January 4, 2019 My team has been submitted. Most of it is fairly obvious as I am not a die-hard soap watcher. Gone for number of hits rather than working through those bonuses. Thanks @Deathray for running this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 4, 2019 20 hours ago, The Old Crem said: Holby, Casualty, Doctors and the Bill give plentiful of guest appearances. When submitting a team should we include all their eligible soaps or only their main ones for those who have been regular on one soap but a guest on another. Whilst it would benefit me in points calculation for you to list all their eligible soaps, I appreciate in some cases this simply isn't practical. There's no obligation to include any of their soaps. And just to note I've added Casualty 1900s and Baywatch to the above mega-list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 4, 2019 In response to a PM Query I have had from a potential entrant there's a new rule. Spin Offs - An individual episode spin off will be counted as a part of the main show. A multi-episode spin off series will be counted as a soap opera and therefore eligible. For clarification this means "Dot's Story" and "Perfectly Frank..." would be counted as episodes of EastEnders. Whilst "Kat and Alfie: Red Water" and "Damon and Debbie" (Brookside spin off) will be counted as separate soap operas. Who knew this would be so fucking complicated? Episodes must have been shown on UK television to qualify, you're obscure direct-to-videos such as "Coronation Street: Out of Africa" can fuck off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted January 4, 2019 Deathers opened Pandoras lolololololol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 4, 2019 On 03/01/2019 at 12:56, Deathray said: Yes, I'm frankly as staggered as you that it's took me this long to come up with this! In the interest of only running another deadpool if it's one I'm likely to be aware of picks deaths anyway. 2 minutes ago, charon said: Deathers opened Pandoras lolololololol Serves me right for having the brass neck to start a dead-pool with the bolded statement above... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,441 Posted January 4, 2019 I'll just stick to Eastenders, Corrie and Emmerdale, unless some random obscure soap star comes down with a dose of pancreatic glioblastoma. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, msc said: I'll just stick to Eastenders, Corrie and Emmerdale, unless some random obscure soap star comes down with a dose of pancreatic glioblastoma. Thank you! And can I just check had anyone actually heard of Melrose Place - or the majority of that list above -before googling for cancer ridden soap stars? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handrejka 1,903 Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Deathray said: Thank you! And can I just check had anyone actually heard of Melrose Place - or the majority of that list above -before googling for cancer ridden soap stars? Melrose Place was huge in Germany when I lived there so ,yes and I used to really like Albion Market. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,441 Posted January 4, 2019 4 minutes ago, Deathray said: Thank you! And can I just check had anyone actually heard of Melrose Place - or the majority of that list above -before googling for cancer ridden soap stars? Melrose Place? Yeah, but only the name iirc Sky 1 used to show it on Sundays alongside The Simpsons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,441 Posted January 4, 2019 22 hours ago, Deathray said: Hide contents 252 shows accepted initially. 2 have been adeed. Albion Market (1985-1986) - TV All My Children (1970-2011, 2013) - TV/Internet TV Angels (UK) (1975 - 1983) - TV The Archers (1951 - Present) - Radio As the World Turns (1956-2010) - TV Baywatch (1989-2001) - TV The Bill (1983-2010) - TV The Bold and the Beatiful (1987-Present) - TV - but I thought it was a reality show. Brookside (1982 - 2003) - TV Casualty (1986 - Present) - TV Coronation Street (1960 - Present) - TV A Country Practice (1981-1994) - TV Crossroads (1964-1988, 2001-2003) Crown Court (1973-1984) - TV Days of Our Lives (1965-Present) - TV Desperate Housewives (2004-2012) - TV Dallas (1978-1991,2012-2014) - TV Dark Shadows (1966-1971) - TV Doctors - (2000 - Present) - TV Dr Finlay's Casebook (1962-71) - TV Dynasty (1981-1989, 2017-Present) - TV EastEnders (1985 - Present) - TV Emergency - Ward 10 (1957-1967) - TV Emmerdale Farm / Emmerdale (1972 - Present) - TV Eldorado (1992 - 1993) - TV Fair City (1989-Present) - TV Falcon Crest (1981-1990) - TV Family Affairs (1997 - 2005) - TV The Flying Doctors / R.F.D.S (1985-1994) - TV General Hospital (US) (1963-Present) - TV Heartbeat (1992 - 2010) - TV Holby City (1999 - Present) - TV Hollyoaks (1995 - Present) - TV Home and Away (1988-Present) - TV Howard's Way (1985 - 1990) - TV Knots Landing (1979-1993) - TV Melrose Place (1992-1999) - TV Neighbours (1985-Present) - TV Perry Mason (1943-1955) - Radio Peyton Place (1964-1969) - TV The Practice (1985-1986) - TV Prisoner: Cell Block H (1979-1986) - TV The Royal (2003 - 2011) - TV The Sullivans (1976-1983) - TV Take the High Road (1980-2003) - TV United! (1965-67)- TV Waterloo Rood (2006-2015) - TV List of TV and Radio Programmes rejected *None Yet Cut down to the ones I've heard of. Family Affairs is the one that tried to deal with falling ratings by using a bomb to kill ALL the lead characters. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 5, 2019 So I thought I'd do an internet recce on a couple of the shows up there I'd never heard of on that list. One of them was apparently quite big in the UK in the late 90s - Sunset Beach. The entire shows in on YouTube.... I've suffered watched the first episode out of curiousity; so far Spoilers btw, as if anyone would be daft enough to watch this. The lead character has abandoned her wedding and hopped on a plane after discovering her boyfriend was two timing her. She's hopped on that plane on the basis of "if you ever want someone to talk to I'm here" which she's interpreted as stalk me and move to my town". He definitely didn't mean move to my town, but her internet connection cuts off when he tells her so. One of the lead characters has been defrauding her dad for months and he's found out by hiring a private investigator to check if she really was at law school. Whilst defrauding her dad she's been holding massive parties, and of course her dad gets to meet the cop she "had" round the night before whilst bollocking her. She chooses to seek the advise of a nymphomaniac aunt on this matter, who is about as much as use as a chocolate fireplace. A load of nonsense clap-trap about whoever you meet on the beach at sun-down is who they're destined to spend their life with based on the guy who first owned the beach and his misses. An insufferable git got promoted, and his wife's first thought now she's not his working partner is "he might have an affair" A street kid just gets gifted a house by a kind stranger to squat in with no explanation of where the keys from (kind stranger doesn't own the house). The lead character's had her bag stolen and then whilst trying to get it back endings up falling off the pier into the river in a dramatic fashion.. The lifeguards attempt to rescue her by diving off the very top of the life tower into water (surely high enough for the "feels like concrete? to kick in" Nobody can act, there place in the show seemingly being decided on how good they look in a pair of beach shorts or a bikini. The dialogue consists of almost exclusively "do something" and "snipey one liners" that fall flat.... We're 45 minutes in. And people say the UK soaps are sensationalist? Like, seriously who was the target audience for this? Apparently there was one in the UK anyway because Channel 5 tried to save the show when it got cancelled, it was rating that well? This show ran for 755 episodes. and worryingly i'm kind of intrigued to see what nonsense exactly they fill them with.. Even El Dorado seemed to have more thought behind it (although poorer and end result) than this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,585 Posted January 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, Deathray said: So I thought I'd do an internet recce on a couple of the shows up there I'd never heard of on that list. One of them was apparently quite big in the UK in the late 90s - Sunset Beach. The entire shows in on YouTube.... I've suffered watched the first episode out of curiousity; so far Spoilers btw, as if anyone would be daft enough to watch this. The lead character has abandoned her wedding and hopped on a plane after discovering her boyfriend was two timing her. She's hopped on that plane on the basis of "if you ever want someone to talk to I'm here" which she's interpreted as stalk me and move to my town". He definitely didn't mean move to my town, but her internet connection cuts off when he tells her so. One of the lead characters has been defrauding her dad for months and he's found out by hiring a private investigator to check if she really was at law school. Whilst defrauding her dad she's been holding massive parties, and of course her dad gets to meet the cop she "had" round the night before whilst bollocking her. She chooses to seek the advise of a nymphomaniac aunt on this matter, who is about as much as use as a chocolate fireplace. A load of nonsense clap-trap about whoever you meet on the beach at sun-down is who they're destined to spend their life with based on the guy who first owned the beach and his misses. An insufferable git got promoted, and his wife's first thought now she's not his working partner is "he might have an affair" A street kid just gets gifted a house by a kind stranger to squat in with no explanation of where the keys from (kind stranger doesn't own the house). The lead character's had her bag stolen and then whilst trying to get it back endings up falling off the pier into the river in a dramatic fashion.. The lifeguards attempt to rescue her by diving off the very top of the life tower into water (surely high enough for the "feels like concrete? to kick in" Nobody can act, there place in the show seemingly being decided on how good they look in a pair of beach shorts or a bikini. The dialogue consists of almost exclusively "do something" and "snipey one liners" that fall flat.... We're 45 minutes in. And people say the UK soaps are sensationalist? Like, seriously who was the target audience for this? Apparently there was one in the UK anyway because Channel 5 tried to save the show when it got cancelled, it was rating that well? This show ran for 755 episodes. and worryingly i'm kind of intrigued to see what nonsense exactly they fill them with.. Even El Dorado seemed to have more thought behind it (although poorer and end result) than this. Apparently half the cast of Corrie at the time loved it as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,223 Posted January 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Deathray said: Spoilers btw, as if anyone would be daft enough to watch this. You do know there’s a spoiler tag so people who don’t want to see spoilers can just scroll by the spoilers without being spoiled, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,441 Posted January 5, 2019 Yeah, but Deathray's the only person to have watched it in the last 10 years. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joey Russ said: You do know there’s a spoiler tag so people who don’t want to see spoilers can just scroll by the spoilers without being spoiled, right? Didn't know you were such a big shitty American soaps fan Joey? Spoiler tagged it for you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 5, 2019 On 03/01/2019 at 20:47, Toast said: For me it's only a soap if it's on every week, all year round. That would exclude the gems that are Latin American telenovelas such as Maria La del Barrio.... And the context your inevitably seeking: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
