Tango854 257 Posted October 11, 2023 13 hours ago, RoverAndOut said: Agreed. I've thought a bit in recent days about this suggestion that this is "Israel's 9/11" and then considered what America's 9/11 response achieved: a 20-year engagement in Afghanistan that resulted in the Taliban immediately re-emerging when US troops pulled out and a 10-year involvement in Iraq which saw the country wrecked and helped unleash ISIS. Hardly encouraging precedents for all-out war. You know on twitter once I saw a man claim that this is closer to the Tet Offensive than 9/11, and I think I agree with him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,237 Posted October 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Tango854 said: You know on twitter once I saw a man claim that this is closer to the Tet Offensive than 9/11, and I think I agree with him. I can see that. And as has been widely reported since it is almost exactly 50 years on, it actually bears a fair bit in common with the Yom Kippur War of 1973, although Israel does not face an existential threat to its existence this time (its nearest neighbours will not invade and the US has a presence in the Med and has already declared it will counter any offensive moves from non-state actors). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,093 Posted October 11, 2023 5 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said: I can see that. And as has been widely reported since it is almost exactly 50 years on, it actually bears a fair bit in common with the Yom Kippur War of 1973, although Israel does not face an existential threat to its existence this time (its nearest neighbours will not invade and the US has a presence in the Med and has already declared it will counter any offensive moves from non-state actors). The writers are back but the actors are still out on strike. Except the crisis actors... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tango854 257 Posted October 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: The writers are back but the actors are still out on strike. Except the crisis actors... The Crisis Actors have a whole different union from SAG-AFTRA and they got a pretty good deal from the NWO so they don't have any reason to strike. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arghton 6,281 Posted October 11, 2023 One of the Hamas co-founders, Abdul Fattah Dukhan, dead at 86 in Gaza. Either killed or natural causes (some sources say killed, other sources say he died from a "long illness"), god knows as he'd looked like a zombie for years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,374 Posted October 11, 2023 28 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said: I can see that. And as has been widely reported since it is almost exactly 50 years on, it actually bears a fair bit in common with the Yom Kippur War of 1973, although Israel does not face an existential threat to its existence this time (its nearest neighbours will not invade and the US has a presence in the Med and has already declared it will counter any offensive moves from non-state actors). Not sure about Lebanese Hezbollah not at least attempting to Invade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polar duck 625 Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) On 09/10/2023 at 12:37, Ulitzer95 said: Israel bombs one of the world's oldest churches, the 1160 year old Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church, which was built during the Eastern Roman Empire. Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church not bombed Update: Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church bombed (real) Edited October 20, 2023 by polar duck There's a productive update. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 11,504 Posted October 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, polar duck said: Saint Porphyrius Orthodox Church not bombed We know – see the previous page. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,237 Posted October 11, 2023 19 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Not sure about Lebanese Hezbollah not at least attempting to Invade. I didn't say Hezbollah wouldn't invade, I said their nearest neighbours. In 73, Syria and Egypt invaded. Neither will do so this time, nor will Lebanon. Hezbollah may, but, again, as I said, the US have forces in the area and have made it clear any attack on Israel by non-state actors (see: Hezbollah) will be countered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,237 Posted October 13, 2023 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: Gee, not sure I could work that from the legion of tanks massing on the Gaza border... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevonDeathTrip 2,316 Posted October 14, 2023 The Israeli leadership are openly talking about Gaza's Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar as their prime target. I guess he'll be playing hide and seek for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,374 Posted October 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, DevonDeathTrip said: The Israeli leadership are openly talking about Gaza's Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar as their prime target. I guess he'll be playing hide and seek for a while. He will do what they always do and hide in civilian areas among women and children to increase the casualty list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polar duck 625 Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, polar duck said: Top Hamas commander Ayman Nofal killed in Israeli airstrike Cross-posting Ayman Nofal's death here. Nofal was the mastermind behind the 2006 abduction of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, who was released in 2011 in exchange for 1,000 Palestinian prisoners. Among those prisoners was current Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 11,504 Posted October 29, 2023 56 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Not sure why you keep quoting this “news” organisation when they’re repeatedly wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,510 Posted November 1, 2023 Prime target Ismail Haniyeh is currently hiding in Qatar, coward: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/krieg-im-nahen-osten-was-treibt-der-hamas-terrorchef-ausgerechnet-in-katar-a-cbda1306-cc32-4024-a905-90a569a31722 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 10,679 Posted November 10, 2023 Hamas chief in Gaza Yahya Sinwar surrounded by Israeli forces as he hides in a bunker under Shifa hospital. Don't know if this is true, but in the case he wouldn't get out alive. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 10,679 Posted November 11, 2023 Israel just announced they "killed Hamas commander". Pretty sure it 's not Sinwar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polar duck 625 Posted November 18, 2023 2 hours ago, The Old Crem said: They have been saying this for over a month. It's not an "update". 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
