themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 13, 2012 It may be pleasing to both camps if she dies in the summer of 2012. She probably wouldn't be granted a state funeral considering celebrations for the Olympics and Diamond Jubilee will be under way, which means she could be buried with some degree of dignity (ie less protesting). Why would anyone protest? Anyone with a beef with her would be delighted! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted January 13, 2012 It may be pleasing to both camps if she dies in the summer of 2012. She probably wouldn't be granted a state funeral considering celebrations for the Olympics and Diamond Jubilee will be under way, which means she could be buried with some degree of dignity (ie less protesting). Why would anyone protest? Anyone with a beef with her would be delighted! If she gets a state funeral, I'll bet you some arse tries to protest about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 13, 2012 It may be pleasing to both camps if she dies in the summer of 2012. She probably wouldn't be granted a state funeral considering celebrations for the Olympics and Diamond Jubilee will be under way, which means she could be buried with some degree of dignity (ie less protesting). Why would anyone protest? Anyone with a beef with her would be delighted! If she gets a state funeral, I'll bet you some arse tries to protest about it. Oh, I see what you mean, yes. I'm of the growing opinion that they should privatise it. "It's what she would have wanted..." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Depor23 0 Posted January 14, 2012 Oh, I see what you mean, yes. I'm of the growing opinion that they should privatise it. "It's what she would have wanted..." They can always ask her seeing that she's still alive. But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one? You'd have to think that the fact that she was PM for 11 years, first female, rah rah rah... will mean that she'll get one no worries. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,129 Posted January 14, 2012 But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one? No. The last one was for Sir Winston Churchill. Even the Queen Mother didn't get a full-on State Funeral, so I am mystified why people think Thatch might. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Depor23 0 Posted January 14, 2012 Ah, OK. In Australia, they're handing them out like they're going out of fashion. I think Steve Irwin got offered one and Peter Brock received one. Pretty sure Johnny Warren got one too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted January 14, 2012 Some people think Thatcher should because 1 - Longest serving 20th century Prime Minister and seen by some in the country as a great leader. 2 - She declared and won a war. Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,129 Posted January 14, 2012 Still no Churchill and highly divisive in a recession to blow that much money on someone so hated by a fair section of the country. As for the war leadership, we'd have to consider the same for Major, Blair, Brown and Cameron on that basis. Major led us in a bigger conflict won more easily, so - arguably - he's a better bet than all the others, and nobody is suggesting him for state honours. I agree. This Mail article presents it as a done deal. It's undated but seems to be about four years old. Some interesting bits though To date the only Prime Minister in the 20th and 21st centuries to be given this honour was Churchill. There were four non-Royal State funerals in the 19th century – Nelson, Wellington, Palmerston and Gladstone. Informed sources last night confirmed that the Queen and Gordon Brown had given their blessing to the preparation of funeral arrangements for Lady Thatcher in recognition both of her achievements and for being Britain’s first woman Prime Minister. Bit sexist, innit. I mean, so what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
angryGreatness 96 Posted January 14, 2012 But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one? No. The last one was for Sir Winston Churchill. Even the Queen Mother didn't get a full-on State Funeral, so I am mystified why people think Thatch might. Perhaps it's similar to the United States, where leaders will often deny a state funeral in their will. The only reason Nixon didn't get one was because he refused one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sympathyforthedevil 11 Posted January 15, 2012 But what's the dealio with State Funerals in the UK? Is every ex-PM entitled to one? No. The last one was for Sir Winston Churchill. Even the Queen Mother didn't get a full-on State Funeral, so I am mystified why people think Thatch might. Perhaps it's similar to the United States, where leaders will often deny a state funeral in their will. The only reason Nixon didn't get one was because he refused one. You sure it was nothing to do with the fact that he was a huge crook? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted January 16, 2012 Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086941/Margaret-Thatcher-dementia-The-Iron-Lady-didnt-know-David-Cameron-was.html A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,531 Posted January 16, 2012 Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy. I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you. I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia. One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sympathyforthedevil 11 Posted January 16, 2012 Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy. I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you. I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia. One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan. Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,531 Posted January 16, 2012 Story from the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail...ameron-was.html A woman with dementia doesn't know who the Prime Minister is...hardly news-worthy. I think if you asked a lot of OAP's in England who David Cameron is, they probably couldn't tell you. I had a job a few years ago where I had to ask a series of questions to help nurses detect the early stages of dementia. One of the questions "who is the current President?" at the time it was Bush, although quite a few would answer Ford or Reagan. Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father! If they just answered Bush, we had to ask them which one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted January 16, 2012 Even if they had answered "George Bush" that would have been no indicator of health, because they may have been referring to his father! From that one would expect that in subjects of a monarchy early stages of dementia are less easily spotted, when asked after the name of the monarch. Another good reason for the republic. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 17, 2012 If she replied that she was still the PM, then the marbles really have been lost... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Lady Thatcher appears in public for first time in months .. http://www.dailymail...lic-outing.html Looking pretty good! Edited March 20, 2012 by Magere Hein Post moved from topic "Political Frailty" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted March 21, 2012 Ah, OK. In Australia, they're handing them out like they're going out of fashion. I think Steve Irwin got offered one and Peter Brock received one. Pretty sure Johnny Warren got one too. I hear that Jim Stynes is even going to get one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted March 25, 2012 Baroness Thatcher: 'If I had my time again, I wouldn’t go into politics' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JR976evil 905 Posted March 26, 2012 Baroness Thatcher: 'If I had my time again, I wouldn’t go into politics' A parting shot perhaps? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SalmonMousse 25 Posted March 26, 2012 Baroness Thatcher: 'If I had my time again, I wouldn’t go into politics' A parting shot perhaps? I bet she is not the only one who wishes she had not gone into politics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Razor Boy 19 Posted March 26, 2012 From those naughty people at B3ta.com LINK 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIP Wee Jum 1,559 Posted April 16, 2012 Is there no news of her dying a horrible slow death yet ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,434 Posted April 16, 2012 Is there no news of her dying a horrible slow death yet ? Depends on your view of dementia. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIP Wee Jum 1,559 Posted April 30, 2012 I can't find where I put it, but I am sticking by my prediction of Thatcher dying on my birthday 2nd May Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
