From Cleric To Relic

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L. Tom Perry (92) has thyroid cancer and will begin radiation treatment. Perry is the second-most senior member of the high-level Mormon governing body called the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He is also the oldest of the group.

The church also said that Richard G. Scott (86), another member of the Quorum, was hospitalized Thursday night with gastrointestinal bleeding. Scott is resting now after the bleeding was brought under control.

That's right, Sir Creep don't play around. He brings you two names at a time!

Sounds like it will be the Quorum of the Ten Apostles soon. Perry's TREATMENT is going to kill him dead. He won't see 2016 or Sir Creep will convert.

SChttp://midutahradio.com/stories/27870-lds-apostle-perry-diagnosed-with-cancer-scott-hospitalized

 

Richard G Scott is now deceased as well. That's three of the Quorum since Sir C's original post. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=35787105&nid=148&title=elder-richard-g-scott-dies-at-86&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory

 

See Also: http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5605&p=230883

Quorum of Nine

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L. Tom Perry (92) has thyroid cancer and will begin radiation treatment. Perry is the second-most senior member of the high-level Mormon governing body called the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He is also the oldest of the group.

The church also said that Richard G. Scott (86), another member of the Quorum, was hospitalized Thursday night with gastrointestinal bleeding. Scott is resting now after the bleeding was brought under control.

That's right, Sir Creep don't play around. He brings you two names at a time!

Sounds like it will be the Quorum of the Ten Apostles soon. Perry's TREATMENT is going to kill him dead. He won't see 2016 or Sir Creep will convert.

SChttp://midutahradio.com/stories/27870-lds-apostle-perry-diagnosed-with-cancer-scott-hospitalized

Richard G Scott is now deceased as well. That's three of the Quorum since Sir C's original post. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=35787105&nid=148&title=elder-richard-g-scott-dies-at-86&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory

 

See Also: http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5605&p=230883

Quorum of Nine

 

The news even makes it into the Guardian:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/23/mormon-leader-richard-g-scott-dies-at-86-at-home-in-salt-lake-city

 

Mostly because it's the first time in a century that there are three openings in the Quorum.

[Cat O'Falk 3,290]

Marriage guidance counsellor Denis Sonet (malheureusement en Français) has died in his late eighties.

 

Oh, he was a catholic priest too!

[gcreptile 10,972]

The oldest practicing pastor, American Noah Smith, has died at 107:

 

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/minneapolis-pastor-passes-away-at-age-107/

[Sir Creep 7,070]

 

 

 

L. Tom Perry (92) has thyroid cancer and will begin radiation treatment. Perry is the second-most senior member of the high-level Mormon governing body called the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He is also the oldest of the group.

The church also said that Richard G. Scott (86), another member of the Quorum, was hospitalized Thursday night with gastrointestinal bleeding. Scott is resting now after the bleeding was brought under control.

That's right, Sir Creep don't play around. He brings you two names at a time!

Sounds like it will be the Quorum of the Ten Apostles soon. Perry's TREATMENT is going to kill him dead. He won't see 2016 or Sir Creep will convert.

SChttp://midutahradio.com/stories/27870-lds-apostle-perry-diagnosed-with-cancer-scott-hospitalized

 

Richard G Scott is now deceased as well. That's three of the Quorum since Sir C's original post. http://www.ksl.com/?sid=35787105&nid=148&title=elder-richard-g-scott-dies-at-86&fm=home_page&s_cid=topstory

 

See Also: http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5605&p=230883

Quorum of Nine

The news even makes it into the Guardian:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/23/mormon-leader-richard-g-scott-dies-at-86-at-home-in-salt-lake-city

 

Mostly because it's the first time in a century that there are three openings in the Quorum.

Article about their soon to be Quorum vacancy fillings, first time since 1906 they had three openings. New fodder for the reaper.

SC

http://m.heraldstandard.com/religion_ap/scholars-predicting-historic-mormon-leadership-decision/article_9d2775ec-c985-59cb-9ac5-de446d0b5b65.html?mode=jqm

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Father Gerry Reynolds, conciliator in the Northern Ireland conflict, has died:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-34963015

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Rev Helmut Koester, German born US Christian scholar of early Christianity at Harvard Divinity School dies on New Year's Eve, 2015 at 89. https://unilu.org/in-memory-of-helmut-koester/

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Retired Archbishop Francis B. Schulte, who led the Archdiocese of New Orleans from 1989 to 2001, died Sunday in his native Philadelphia. Archdiocese spokeswoman Sarah Comiskey McDonald said Schulte died at a church-run retirement facility. He was 89.

SC

http://www.news-journal.com/news/2016/jan/18/former-new-orleans-archbishop-dies-at-89/

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The allegations against Archbishop Phillip Aspinall are raised again at the Royal Commission into Child Abuse in Australia:

 

 

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/local/hobart/2016/01/27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-1980s-abuse.html

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-abuse-at-royal-commission/7118912

 

 

LATE AFTERNOON EDIT: I listened to the live stream of the Royal Commission while I was working (as you do) and the big bombshell at the end of the session was that the convicted paedophile confirmed the victim's story contained in the above links. He claims Aspinall was there and did goad the boy into bed with the paedophile. Bloody hell - Aspinall might really be forced to resign, which will be huge news in Australian Anglican/C of E circles.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

The allegations against Archbishop Phillip Aspinall are raised again at the Royal Commission into Child Abuse in Australia:

 

 

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/local/hobart/2016/01/27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-1980s-abuse.html

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-abuse-at-royal-commission/7118912

 

 

LATE AFTERNOON EDIT: I listened to the live stream of the Royal Commission while I was working (as you do) and the big bombshell at the end of the session was that the convicted paedophile confirmed the victim's story contained in the above links. He claims Aspinall was there and did goad the boy into bed with the paedophile. Bloody hell - Aspinall might really be forced to resign, which will be huge news in Australian Anglican/C of E circles.

 

 

 

 

Transcript of news report of yesterday's events:

 

Now the role of the current Archbishop of Brisbane, Phillip Aspinall, is under examination. In 2003, Phillip Aspinall was instrumental in the downfall of then Governor-General Peter Hollingworth for failing to remove a paedophile priest.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL, ARCHBISHOP OF BRISBANE: Dr Hollingworth's decision to allow John Elliot to continue in ministry after Elliot had acknowledged abusing children - I agree with the board, I think that is a grave error of judgment.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Before moving to Queensland, Aspinall was a major figure in the Church of England Boys Society in Tasmania. Yesterday, the Royal commission heard allegations by survivor BYF, which claimed Phillip Aspinall encouraged him to go into a room with Garth Hawkins.

 

'BYF', ABUSE SURVIVOR: I wouldn't have been there without Archbishop Aspinall. He put me in that bed. He made that decision after I told him that I was concerned that Hawkins was the one who was going to abuse me.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Today Garth Hawkins [the paedophile] supported 'BYF's version of events.

 

GARTH HAWKINS: He was cajoled or teased by Phillip Aspinall and the other boys into joining me in my bed.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Other survivors have questioned how much Phillip Aspinall knew about the sexual abuse within the Anglican Church. Phillip Aspinall will testify in the coming days and strongly denies any knowledge.

 

STEVE FISHER: We need somebody who take the right step and actually come out and tell the whole story, the real story. And that man should be

Phillip Aspinall.

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4396365.htm

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The allegations against Archbishop Phillip Aspinall are raised again at the Royal Commission into Child Abuse in Australia:

 

 

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/local/hobart/2016/01/27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-1980s-abuse.html

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-27/brisbane-archbishop-blamed-for-abuse-at-royal-commission/7118912

 

 

LATE AFTERNOON EDIT: I listened to the live stream of the Royal Commission while I was working (as you do) and the big bombshell at the end of the session was that the convicted paedophile confirmed the victim's story contained in the above links. He claims Aspinall was there and did goad the boy into bed with the paedophile. Bloody hell - Aspinall might really be forced to resign, which will be huge news in Australian Anglican/C of E circles.

 

 

 

 

Transcript of news report of yesterday's events:

 

Now the role of the current Archbishop of Brisbane, Phillip Aspinall, is under examination. In 2003, Phillip Aspinall was instrumental in the downfall of then Governor-General Peter Hollingworth for failing to remove a paedophile priest.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL, ARCHBISHOP OF BRISBANE: Dr Hollingworth's decision to allow John Elliot to continue in ministry after Elliot had acknowledged abusing children - I agree with the board, I think that is a grave error of judgment.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Before moving to Queensland, Aspinall was a major figure in the Church of England Boys Society in Tasmania. Yesterday, the Royal commission heard allegations by survivor BYF, which claimed Phillip Aspinall encouraged him to go into a room with Garth Hawkins.

 

'BYF', ABUSE SURVIVOR: I wouldn't have been there without Archbishop Aspinall. He put me in that bed. He made that decision after I told him that I was concerned that Hawkins was the one who was going to abuse me.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Today Garth Hawkins [the paedophile] supported 'BYF's version of events.

 

GARTH HAWKINS: He was cajoled or teased by Phillip Aspinall and the other boys into joining me in my bed.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Other survivors have questioned how much Phillip Aspinall knew about the sexual abuse within the Anglican Church. Phillip Aspinall will testify in the coming days and strongly denies any knowledge.

 

STEVE FISHER: We need somebody who take the right step and actually come out and tell the whole story, the real story. And that man should be

Phillip Aspinall.

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4396365.htm

 

 

 

It gets worse for Archbishop Aspinall:

 

 

 

 

Now BYF's [the victim's] lawyer, Martine Marich, has challenged Robin Goodfellow, formerly Garth Hawkins [the paedophile priest], on his change in evidence.

 

She referred him to a statement he made to lawyers more than a decade ago that he'd prefer to keep Phillip Aspinall's name out of any reference to his crimes and Dr Marich put this to Robin Goodfellow this morning.

 

MARTINE MARICH: And that intent continues to this time, that you would prefer to keep Phillip Aspinall's name from being mentioned because of damage control for the church, is that correct?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: You have a loyalty to Mr Phillip Aspinall, don't you?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: I do.

 

MARTINE MARICH: And you would be prepared to lie on oath to minimise the damage control for the church and to Mr Aspinall, would you not?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: No.

 

MARTINE MARICH: Now, you remember Mr Aspinall being at the scene at Triabunna?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: And you remember BYF telling you when he was in your bed, about to be abused, the others have sent me here. Do you remember that?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: You remember the incident at Triabunna and his words? You do?

 

UNKNOWN: Oh, well, let him answer.

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Um, yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: You accept Mr Aspinall was present when you abused Mr BYF at Triabunna?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: You accept that you invited someone to share your big bed and Mr Aspinall was present when you extended that invitation?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: And you accept Mr BYF joined you in bed and reported that he had been cajoled to do so by Mr Aspinall and the others?

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

MARTINE MARICH: And the answers to the questions put to you by Mr Aspinall's counsel suggesting you have no memory of that are actually false. You do have a memory of that.

 

ROBIN GOODFELLOW: Yes.

 

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4396482.htm?site=hobart

 

 

 

In another, unrelated case in the same royal commission:

 

 

SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Sue Clayton was a lay reader in the Anglican Church of Tasmania in 1987 and a leader of the Church of England Boys' Society, known as CEBS. Two boys who had been on a CEBS trip to Queensland told her they'd been sexually abused by Father Louis Daniels.

Ms Clayton told the royal commission she too had been on the trip, and was shocked by what the boys told her.

 

SUE CLAYTON: It was absolutely serious and it was very difficult to stand there and hear it from boys who respected Daniels, and I respected Daniels, and this sense of who we had been together as a group of people in CEBS and in the church suddenly looked like it was all blowing apart.

 

SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Sue Clayton gave evidence she reported the abuse to the then Anglican bishop of Tasmania, Phillip Newell.

 

He told her because the abuse was "only fondling", the police needn't be involved and he would handle it. She was told not to speak to anyone about the allegations, which by then involved a third boy.

 

Ms Clayton told the commission the following year, 1988, Louis Daniels was promoted to the position of archdeacon of Burnie, and to her knowledge no action had been taken against him by the Anglican Church.

 

Counsel assisting the royal commission Naomi Sharp asked Sue Clayton how she thought the church should've handled the abuse complaints against Father Louis Daniels.

 

SUE CLAYTON: It was difficult because the boys had asked that it remain confidential. They didn't want their parents to know, they didn't want it to proceed further, so that had to be respected.

 

But it was the other part of it that wasn't addressed as far as I was concerned.

 

There was a perpetrator known to me with at least three events that had been reported and this person was still a priest in the church, in fact this person went on to be promoted in the church and so that it looked like, everything looked like everything was safe and good, and it wasn't.

 

SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Sue Clayton told the commission her distress over the church's handling of the complaints against Daniels led her to resign her positions with the Anglican Church in Tasmania and CEBS.

 

But a few years later in the early '90s she sought out Phillip Aspinall to discuss her concerns. She had known the rising Anglican leader through CEBS and thought highly of him.

 

The commission has heard Mr Aspinall was a friend of Daniels and had worked as his assistant.

 

Counsel assisting asked Sue Clayton how he responded to her concerns.

 

SUE CLAYTON: There was a quiet response. I never felt that he really believed what I had said. It seemed a bit incredulous. It seemed a little bit out of keeping with what he knew of Daniels perhaps.

 

I had raised with him was there something more that could be done, can some of this be followed up, is there anything you can do? And I never really felt that he answered that.

 

NAOMI SHARP: Did you tell him that the matter had been reported to bishop Newell in 1987?

 

SUE CLAYTON: Yes.

 

NAOMI SHARP: Did Mr Aspinall make any suggestions as to what, if anything, ought be done?

 

SUE CLAYTON: There was no suggestion of any follow up.

 

SAMANTHA DONOVAN: Sue Clayton told the commission she sent Phillip Aspinall a card congratulating him when he was consecrated as a bishop in Adelaide in 1998, but in it she referred to a "conspiracy of denial".

 

SUE CLAYTON: He responded to me a couple of months later, and said that he was I think confused by my reference to a "conspiracy of denial".

I think it was my way of saying this is still covered up and what's going on.

 

NAOMI SHARP: Bishop Aspinall said, "while I don't know the full story and don't particularly want to, I would be happy to talk with you about how you feel". Did you take him up on that offer?

 

SUE CLAYTON: No, I did not.

 

NAOMI SHARP: And why was that?

 

SUE CLAYTON: It wasn't about how I felt. I had spent years dealing with how I felt after all of that. It was about the fact that he had just been appointed as a bishop in another diocese, I thought maybe that would give him a little bit of space to see things from a distance and that he was now in a position of some authority in the Anglican Church and I thought perhaps he would be able to use that.

 

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4396999.htm

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Hmm, Ronald Mulkearns, former bishop of Ballarat and possibly a protector of the pedophilia system within the Australian church, may not be as sure a hit as I and maybe DDT believed:

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/royal-commission/george-pells-illness-not-as-bad-as-victims-abuse/news-story/1d2db99643c83b9a78bbe08050af73df

 

His lawyer says he has colon cancer and maybe only months left to live. It sounded worse in Janaury when he supposedly was in palliative care.

And the mastermind of it all, Cardinal Pell, definitely isn't as ill as he claims to be...

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Hmm, Ronald Mulkearns, former bishop of Ballarat and possibly a protector of the pedophilia system within the Australian church, may not be as sure a hit as I and maybe DDT believed:

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/royal-commission/george-pells-illness-not-as-bad-as-victims-abuse/news-story/1d2db99643c83b9a78bbe08050af73df

 

His lawyer says he has colon cancer and maybe only months left to live. It sounded worse in Janaury when he supposedly was in palliative care.

And the mastermind of it all, Cardinal Pell, definitely isn't as ill as he claims to be...

 

Demjanjuk gambit, anyone?

[Sir Creep 7,070]

 

Hmm, Ronald Mulkearns, former bishop of Ballarat and possibly a protector of the pedophilia system within the Australian church, may not be as sure a hit as I and maybe DDT believed:

 

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/in-depth/royal-commission/george-pells-illness-not-as-bad-as-victims-abuse/news-story/1d2db99643c83b9a78bbe08050af73df

 

His lawyer says he has colon cancer and maybe only months left to live. It sounded worse in Janaury when he supposedly was in palliative care.

And the mastermind of it all, Cardinal Pell, definitely isn't as ill as he claims to be...

 

Demjanjuk gambit, anyone?

As stated earlier, I now believe nearly all those who are incarcerated and have 'terminal illnesses' are full of hyperbole, poi, and bullshit. I've left them off my teams and believe you've all been suckered in by people like Howard Marks and Lynne Stewart (and a couple others no need to mention). So if we have another candidate here, I've made my pre-determination on the merit of his claim.

If Howard Marks dies this year of the affliction complained of, I'll buy each of you a Curly-Wulry candy bar.

SC

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Again, Howard Marks isn't in jail. Nor was he when he said he took ill. By a few decades.

 

Now, if you said it was a gambit to sell his "dying man" tour, fair enough, but then, his physical decline within the last few years would suggest a man taking method acting a bit too far. That said, I could see him reaching 2017, but that's more to the slowness of the illness combining well with his "the man don't give a fuck" attitude about it all.

 

That, and he might accidentally discover that copious overdoses of weed cure cancer or something.

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Vojislav Seselj, on the other hand, was a porky telling bastard. No wonder only five people went for Milosevic when he actually did die, nobody believed him!

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I think Creepy is under the impression that Howard Marks is the British Pablo Escobar, rather than Albion's answer to Tommy Chong/Willie Nelson/Snoop Dogg as a generic student stoner icon.

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Though the idea of a Escobar type giving casual interviews to the BBC about his cancer does raise a smile.

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The end? Of the Aspinall saga as he gives evidence to the Royal Commission:

 

 

LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: The Anglican Archbishop of Brisbane Phillip Aspinall took the stand at the child sexual abuse Royal commission today. His Grace was questioned about claims of a paedophile ring that operated in the Church of England Boys Society for 30 years from the 1960s. He denies claims he cajoled a boy into the bed of paedophile, just one of several difficult lines of questioning. As Michael Atkin reports, the Archbishop maintains he did not know about the abuse while it was occurring.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN, REPORTER: Phillip Aspinall returned to Hobart today, a man determined to defend his reputation. It's been 22 years since he worked here as an Anglican priest and a time when fellow clergy were allegedly operating a paedophile ring inside the Anglican Church.

 

[snip]

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Phillip Aspinall was a teenager in the 1970s when he regularly attended the Church of England boys camps in Tasmania. He later became a youth field worker and close associate of paedophile Lou Daniels during the 1980s.

 

QUESTIONER: By that time you had developed a close friendship?

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL, Archbishop of Brisbane: Yes, I think that's fair.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Last week in the Royal commission, Phillip Aspinall was accused of encouraging a boy to go into a room with another paedophile, priest Garth Hawkins.

 

GARTH HAWKINS, ABUSER: He was cajoled or teased by Phillip Aspinall and the other boys into joining me in my bed.

 

VOICE OF 'BYF', ABUSE SURVIVOR: "Archbishop Aspinall, he put me in that bed, he made that decision after I'd told him that I was concerned that Hawkins was the one who was going to abuse me."

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Today, the Archbishop of Brisbane said he didn't remember that conversation from 1982, but conceded he could've been joking.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: No, I certainly don't recall that.

 

QUESTIONER: Alright. But you can't deny that there was a conversation about that?

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: No, I can't positively rule it out.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: In 1992, a leader in the Boys Society warned Phillip Aspinall that Lou Daniels was involved in serious misconduct involving boys. Daniels resigned without explanation two years later.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: I knew something had gone on.

 

QUESTIONER: Did you suspect at the time of his resignation that it may have had something to do with inappropriate conduct with boys?

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: Um ... I may have. That's possible.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: In 1998, a church inquiry in Tasmania found it had a serious problem with paedophilia. A year later, Phillip Aspinall, who was a senior leader in the church, provided Lou Daniels with a character reference at his trial for child sex offences.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: I can see how my writing of such a reference would cause them deep grief and I certainly regret that.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: In 1999, Phillip Aspinall was living in Adelaide as the assistant bishop. At that time, Don Owers was the parish priest at the Magill Church in South Australia when abuse survivors of another alleged member of the paedophile ring, Bob Brandenburg, started coming forward.

 

DON OWERS: I interviewed the third person who had come forward to talk about abuse at the hands of Brandenburg. He mentioned boys being abused interstate, sometimes on CEBS national camps.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Don Owers contacted Phillip Aspinall and the Archbishop Ian George about his concerns. Some survivors had already gone to the police.

 

PHILLIP ASPINALL: I was personally aware of at least four victims, which makes it very serious. The police had also told us that they expected there could be many more.

 

DON OWERS: Phillip Aspinall would've been involved in the decision-making processes through to the time that he left to become Archbishop of Brisbane at the end of 2001. Did he do enough? Well, I think he could've done more.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Just before Brandenburg was due to face court, he killed himself. The church didn't go public about his abuse for four more years.

 

BOB BRANDENBURG, FMR CHURCH OF ENGLAND YOUTH LEADER: I'm deeply sorry that the church did not protect children.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Phillip Aspinall did eventually act. As Archbishop of Brisbane, he set up an inquiry in 2002 that led to the resignation of his predecessor, Peter Hollingworth.

 

PETER HOLLINGWORTH, FORMER GOVERNOR-GENERAL: My decision to resign as Governor-General was taken after long and soul-searching consideration.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Yesterday at the Royal commission, Peter Hollingworth apologised for allowing paedophile John Elliott to continue working as a priest in the 1990s.

 

PETER HOLLINGWORTH: I'm deeply sorry that I was not sufficiently sensitive to your needs.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Aspinall is the current Archbishop of Brisbane and one of the church's brightest stars.

 

COLLEAGUE: I have known him since he became prominent as an Anglican priest, then bishop and Archbishop of Brisbane and then as primate, which means the leading bishop in Australia. His career as a churchman has been absolutely exemplary, significant.

 

MICHAEL ATKIN: Abuse survivor David Gould was listening to Phillip Aspinall give evidence today. He's not convinced he's heard the full story.

 

DAVID GOULD: I find his recollection less than convincing about some aspects of this. ... I think the Royal commission has been - with Archbishop Aspinall has put some of the facts out, not all of them.

 

Source: http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2015/s4400694.htm

 

 

Aspinall still seemed to look very unwell but perhaps it was just just nerves as he faced cross examination over these allegations. Skin was pale and blotchy and he looked very old for a man who is just 56. This photo doesn't show it too closely but it gives a bit of an idea. Thoughts?

 

[Guest Guest]

Thoughtful update provided by the Royal Commission in to the health of Bishop Ronald Muklearns:

 

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/documents/reasons-for-decision-mulkearns

 

Annexure A

 

What is Bishop Mulkearns’ current state of mental and physical heath?

 

I believe Bishop Mulkearns has mild cognitive impairment (MCL) of vascular etiology. The effects of recent surgery and anesthesia could possibly have impacted on his baseline function as was assessed last year. Notwithstanding, from a cognitive perspective, he performs surprisingly well with the deficits noted above.

 

Bishop Mulkearns’ physical health is certainly less good than when he was assessed last year. Unquestionable, he does have colon cancer, which is obstructing one of his ureters and causing deterioration in his kidney function. He is aware of his reduced life expectancy, which he indicates he has been told could be around six months. He has lost considerable weight but currently is eating reasonably well and is stable with no acute medical problems.

 

Bishop Mulkearns says he is very stressed by the events surrounding the Inquiry and the thought of being further involved in the Inquiry. He says this is constantly on his mind. Whilst denying being depressed, he scored at the extreme in the depression scale.

 

He does have chronic abdominal pain related to his cancer requiring significant doses of morphine related narcotic medication.

 

 

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Interesting, dear guest. There's also the problem of obitability with him. I've thought that he'd obit indirectly, because he would die before Geoffrey Robinson so that his obit would mention the earlier one. Another chance for an obit was the continuing coverage of the Pell commission, in the Guardian, for example. And well, the earlier he dies, the more likely a qualifying obit turns up, in the form of a one sentence-recognition of his death.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Interesting, dear guest. There's also the problem of obitability with him. I've thought that he'd obit indirectly, because he would die before Geoffrey Robinson so that his obit would mention the earlier one. Another chance for an obit was the continuing coverage of the Pell commission, in the Guardian, for example. And well, the earlier he dies, the more likely a qualifying obit turns up, in the form of a one sentence-recognition of his death.

Geoffrey Robinson has always sounded to me as much an opportunist as the Howard Marks's or Lynne Stewarts of the world. I didn't include him anywhere this year--I simply don't believe he's in as dire straits as presented at testimony. I need more news updates on his 'condition' with a quote from or visit to a physician at the very least before he even makes a 2017 list.

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[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

Interesting, dear guest. There's also the problem of obitability with him. I've thought that he'd obit indirectly, because he would die before Geoffrey Robinson so that his obit would mention the earlier one. Another chance for an obit was the continuing coverage of the Pell commission, in the Guardian, for example. And well, the earlier he dies, the more likely a qualifying obit turns up, in the form of a one sentence-recognition of his death.

Bishop Newell was the other one not looking great at the Royal Commission: 86, memory problems and other health issues. He'd be in the same boat with regard to obitability.

[Death Impends 7,976]

 

Interesting, dear guest. There's also the problem of obitability with him. I've thought that he'd obit indirectly, because he would die before Geoffrey Robinson so that his obit would mention the earlier one. Another chance for an obit was the continuing coverage of the Pell commission, in the Guardian, for example. And well, the earlier he dies, the more likely a qualifying obit turns up, in the form of a one sentence-recognition of his death.

Geoffrey Robinson has always sounded to me as much an opportunist as the Howard Marks's or Lynne Stewarts of the world. I didn't include him anywhere this year--I simply don't believe he's in as dire straits as presented at testimony. I need more news updates on his 'condition' with a quote from or visit to a physician at the very least before he even makes a 2017 list.

SC

 

 

Assuming you're under the impression that this is another Megrahi gambit, Robinson's been a longtime advocate for the Catholic Church to be far, far more transparent regarding its child abuse, rather than someone who was hiding information, so I doubt he'd be hamming up his ailment. I could see him lasting for some time, but that's moreso because the cancer is still stable last I've read of him and not because of deliberate exaggeration.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

 

 

Interesting, dear guest. There's also the problem of obitability with him. I've thought that he'd obit indirectly, because he would die before Geoffrey Robinson so that his obit would mention the earlier one. Another chance for an obit was the continuing coverage of the Pell commission, in the Guardian, for example. And well, the earlier he dies, the more likely a qualifying obit turns up, in the form of a one sentence-recognition of his death.

 

Geoffrey Robinson has always sounded to me as much an opportunist as the Howard Marks's or Lynne Stewarts of the world. I didn't include him anywhere this year--I simply don't believe he's in as dire straits as presented at testimony. I need more news updates on his 'condition' with a quote from or visit to a physician at the very least before he even makes a 2017 list.

SC

Assuming you're under the impression that this is another Megrahi gambit, Robinson's been a longtime advocate for the Catholic Church to be far, far more transparent regarding its child abuse, rather than someone who was hiding information, so I doubt he'd be hamming up his ailment. I could see him lasting for some time, but that's moreso because the cancer is still stable last I've read of him and not because of deliberate exaggeration.

 

It's quite a simple rule IMHO: if a person could 'potentially' use a health matter to obtain public sympathy, no matter how scant, they sure as hell are doing it. Don't be a lemming, don't believe the hype. It's my rule and it works for me; dismiss as you feel appropriate. I think history favors my position though. Citing an opposing name or two when you know I can throw at least a 2:1 ratio back at u is a disingenuous position. Talk to the hand.

 

Insert Robinson into the rule and there you go. It's funny it's only ever the criminal or their attorney who proffer doomsday health, never a doctor on the stand confirming it. Think about it.

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