From Cleric To Relic

[arghton 6,123]

So who do we have now? (Excluding Cardinals and Rabbis who have their own threads, as well as Benedict XVI) Might want to toss a few religious leaders on your lists.

 

Ilia II of Georgia: 89, Orthodox patriarch of Georgia since 1977.

Ailments: Late stage parkinson's, heart diseases, has undergone tons of surgeries. 

Jonas Abib: 85, Brazilian Catholic founder of cult Canção Nova.

Ailments: Multiple myeloma, in ICU in May 2021, pneumonia in august, now ill with aspiration pneumonia.

Irenaios (Crete): 89, Orthodox Archbishop of Crete 2006-2021.

Ailments: ALS diagnosed in 2020 when he suffered lung failure and underwent tracheotomy. Resigned last year due to a sharp health deterioration. Also rumored to have dementia.

KH Ali Yafie: 96, Indonesian islamic cleric. 

Ailments: On ventilator with severe lung infection in 2018, hospitalised and widowed in 2020. Extremely frail.

Hsing Yun: 95, Buddhist leader.

Ailments: Obese, diabetic, three time stroke survivor with a ton of heart ailments.

Nritya Gopal Das: 84, Indian Hindu leader.

Ailments: CKD, rough covid in 2020, later critical with UTI and heart ailments, hospitalised in ICU with UTI atleast three times since.

Jayapataka Swami: 73, Indian Hindu ISKCON leader/cultist.

Ailments: Hepatitis C, severe brain stem stroke and two brain bleeds in 2008, underwent tracheotomy and was given a 1% survival percentage. UTI in 2010, leg infection in 2011, severe pneumonia and liver failure in 2015, in ICU with severe fever in 2016, liver and double kidney transplant in 2018, undisclosed surgery in 2019, covid and leg infection in 2021, blood clot this january.

Sheikh Abubakr Ahmad A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar: 92/83, Chief Mufti of India

Ailments: Lengthy hospitalisation in October.

Muhibbullah Babunagari: 88, Bangladeshi islamic scholar.

Ailments: Suffering from multiple age-related conditions, hospitalisations in October 2021 and September this year.

Stanisław Szymecki: 98, Polish catholic archbishop.

Ailments: Obese, wheelchairbound, seriously ill in 2018.

Ali Al-Sistani: 92, Iraqi liberal Islamic cleric.

Ailments: Suffering from serious heart problems for the last two decades and has undergone surgeries etc. Rumored seriously ill in August.

Ali Khamenei: 83, leader of Iran.

Ailments: Seriously ill following a surgery a while ago. Cancer, lung problems, other

Irenaios (Israel): 83, Orthodox Archbishop of Israel 2001-2005

Ailments: Suffering from a severe lung disease for years, on oxygen, water in his lungs in 2019.

Muhammad al-Fayadh: 92, Iraqi ayatollah.

Ailments: Very ill and frail since he had covid a few years ago. Was rumored dead back then.

Swami Smaranananda: 93, Indian Hindu leader, Ramakrishna math senior monk.

Ailments: Very ill with lung ailment this March. Possibly suffers from dementia.

Tim Keller: 72, founding pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church.

Ailments: Pancreatic cancer.

Neophyte of Bulgaria: 77, Orthodox leader of Bulgaria.

Ailments: Multiple chronic diseases, broke his femur early this year and most recently in hospital with aspiration pneumonia.

Antoni Pacyfik Dydycz: 84, Polish Catholic bishop.

Ailments: Obese, gravely ill March this year.

Richard Rohr: 79, Popular US Franciscan priest and author

Ailments: Agressive prostate cancer spread to the lymph nodes.

 

Who'll go first, and who else is there

[I.R.Baboon 206]

Not sure if bishops are worth mentioning but at first I thought these guys are all cardinals..

 

Apart from the catholic church itself dying pretty quickly in The Netherlands (3.7 million people registred as catholics, but only about 100k church visitors each sunday and less than 7.000 kids baptised each year, all declining about 10% a year) i saw a picture of the dutch bishops visiting the pope last week.

 

 

The bisshop in the wheelchair is Harrie Smeets, who has been suffering from brain cancer since last year and won't recover. Bisshop Jan Liesen  was unable to attend because he was himself being treated for cancer. The other bishops did send him a postcard (not a joke)

[ThereWillBeDeaths7 595]

55 minutes ago, I.R.Baboon said:

 

 

The bisshop in the wheelchair is Harrie Smeets, who has been suffering from brain cancer since last year and won't recover. 

And he's only 62 years old. Ofcourse the robes, wheelchair and his weight don't make him look younger but I would have thought him to be mid-70's.

[msc 17,762]

18 minutes ago, ThereWillBeDeaths7 said:

And he's only 62 years old. Ofcourse the robes, wheelchair and his weight don't make him look younger but I would have thought him to be mid-70's.

 

Was tempted momentarily for Alt Obits but then I remembered Hulka tends to reject bishops!

[drol 10,054]

Muhammad Rafi Usmani, prominent Pakistani Islamic scholar and president of Darul Uloom Karachi, dead at 86.

 

How the hell did you forgot to mention him somewhere, @arghton? 

[arghton 6,123]

Chrysostomos II's funeral was held a week ago. Some images:

 

There's the President of Cyprus and Ieronymos II Archbishop of Athens and All Greece. Not sure who the two others are. 

 

As far as I know Anastasios of Albania, Ilia II of Georgia and many others were absent.

 

However, Bartholomew I of Constantinople was there and looked pretty rough:

As the longtime (since 1991) leader of the second-largest Christian church and with atleast two somewhat recent hospitalisations,slowly becoming threadworthy in my opinion.

[drol 10,054]

On 03/11/2022 at 15:36, arghton said:

Grand Mufti of India Kanthapuram A. P. Aboobacker Musliyar hospitalised. Has been in hospital for 26 days now.

Aboobacker Musliyar student and possible successor A.P. Mohammed Musliyar dead at 72.

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On November 22, the first Mufti of the Muslims of Kyrgyzstan, Kimsanbai Azhy Abdurakhmanov, passed away at the age of 82.

 

https://kg.akipress.org/news:1823339

 

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Archbishop Vasily (Boris Zlatolinsky) died at the age of 90. In the 1990s, he was the ruling bishop of the Simferopol and Crimean diocese.

http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/66271.html

 

 

[arghton 6,123]

On 26/07/2022 at 13:46, arghton said:

Well, here's a list of the oldest Buddhist leaders. 90+, list might be missing people. There have been a lot of major deaths during the last 12 months, such as Thích Nhất Hạnh, Tulko Rato Rinpoche, Thích Thanh Đàm, Thích Phổ Tuệ and Jakucho Setouchi.

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Tep Vong (1932-) Great Supreme Patriarch of Cambodia, a title he probably got for his connections to the ruling party. The only actual cunt on this list, as he's a puppet.

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Samdech Preah Agga Mahā Sangharājādhipati Tep Vong looking half dead in this picture from this month:

(Also a cunt for saying HIV/AIDS is a "karmic punishment")

[drol 10,054]

Current patriarch of Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo church, Abune Qerlos, dead at 96.

 

Was nominated in 2021 and disputed his place with Abune Antonios, who died earlier this year.

[YoungWillz 19,063]

On 20/07/2018 at 19:16, gcreptile said:

Carlos Aldunate SJ, exorcist and teacher to Pope Francis, dead at 102:

 

http://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/07/19/exorcist-who-was-spiritual-director-to-pope-francis-dies-aged-102/

Pretty sure we haven't had an exorcist death since.

 

So here we go with a Guardian obit for Jeremy Davies, co-founder of the International Association Of Exorcists: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/08/father-jeremy-davies

[arghton 6,123]

1 hour ago, YoungWillz said:

Pretty sure we haven't had an exorcist death since.

A few still alive:

Emmanuel Milingo is 92, very ill and should've died a few years ago, no idea how he's still going, but on borrowed time...

Charles H. Kraft - Christian speaker, anthropologist, exorcist, founder-leader of "Deep Healing Ministries"...Obese, 90 and rarely makes appearances nowadays.

"The Real Exorcist" Bob Larson is only 78, but his fame peaked a while ago and now he runs a YouTube account with videos such as "Prince Harry & Meghan, Witchcraft Power Couple?" (actual title of one of them) that get around 3000 views each.

[arghton 6,123]

Anas Hajjar, Imam, leader of Helsinki's Finnish Islamic Congregation 2010-2022 and probably the most known Islamic leader in Finland, dead at 52/53. A bit suprised by how young he was, thought he'd have been atleast a decade older.

A moderate according to himself and compared to many, for example his predecessor, the controversial Khodr Khaled Chebab (1962-2010) but said that gays are sinners, etc. Also appeared in YLE TV1 show Muslimielämää in 2010, a Finnish version of BBC's Make Me a Muslim.

[drol 10,054]

On 10/11/2022 at 07:53, drol said:

Jonas Abib hospitalised with aspiration pneumonia and also receiving chemotherapy for myeloma.

 

Rinse and repeat.

Jonas Abib discharged.

[drol 10,054]

On 18/08/2022 at 22:08, arghton said:

Of course...And meanwhile, Kallistos has been in his "final hours" for around four days now.

 

New character to the Pravrajika Bhaktiprana/Sri Sarada Math saga: Pravrajika Amalaprana, General Secretary of the Sri Sarada Math and one of the "ruling trio" with Anandapranaji and Bhaktiprana. From the Math's website:

On 28th July night, Pravrajika Amalaprana, the General Secretary was admitted to the Ramakrishna Mission Sevapratishthan and put on a ventilator and other emergency measures in the ICU. She was diagnosed with pneumonia, heart failure and kidney problem. As she responded to the treatment on the 3rd of August, she was put off the ventilator and kept on bipap, which helped her to maintain oxygen saturation. On the next day i.e. on 4th, she was shifted to a cabin. Though still very weak she was discharged from the hospital on the 9th August and returned to the Math at Dakshineswar where she is kept under close medical observation and care. Recovery will take some time.

Tough people these elderly religious leaders.

Pravrajika Bhaktiprana finally dead at 102.

[arghton 6,123]

7 hours ago, drol said:

Pravrajika Bhaktiprana finally dead at 102.

Thought she was immortal, she'd been wheelchairbound and frail for more than a decade.

Not to be confused with Pravrajika Anandapranaji (was hospitalised with pneumonia for a month in January and discharged in "critical condition") and Pravrajika Amalaprana (tons of health problems, on ventilator with kidney problems and heart failure in July).

Bhaktiprana was the President of the Math, Anandapranaji is the VP and Amalaprana is the General Secretary. I wonder if it'll be one of those two who'll succeed her.

 

Addold Mossin is (somehow) 103 today.

[drol 10,054]

On 09/12/2022 at 18:05, drol said:

Jonas Abib discharged.

Jonas Abib finally dead.

[Ulitzer95 11,043]

FB post announcing the death of Spanish-born Indian Jesuit missionary Swami Shilananda (wiki), aged 97.

[arghton 6,123]

On 17/11/2021 at 17:35, arghton said:

First Ayatollah/Maraji to die since September, but there are quite many above 90:

 

1. Grand Ayatollah Lotfollah Safi Golpaygani (20 Feb 1919-31 Jan 2022) Secretary of the Guardian Council 1980-1985, once issued a fatwa calling for the death of a rapper.

2. Grand Ayatollah Sheikh Hossein Wahid Khorasani (1 Jan 1921-) "Most learned Shia authority alive" and critic of Khamenei. With Noori-Hamedani, the last Ayatollah/Maraji born in Qajar Persia/Qajar Iran/The Sublime State of Iran that stopped existing in 1925.

3. Shamsodin Mujtahidi Najafi (17 April 1923-27 Feb 2022)

4. Grand Ayatollah Hossein Noori-Hamedani (1925-) Hardliner and a total piece of shit.

-. Sheikh Ayatollah Ali Tehrani (22 April 1926-19 October 2022) Theologian, critic of Khamenei's rule - but also his brother-in-law.

5. Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Muhammad-Sadiq Husayni Rohani (16 July 1926-)

-. Ayatollah Sheikh Ahmad Mohseni Garakani (1926-) Friday Prayer Imam of Tuyserkan since 1979.

6. Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati (23 Feb 1927-) Conservative, one of the top politicians in Iran. Chairman of the Assembly of Experts and Secretary of the Guardian Council.

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Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Mohammed/Muhammad Sadiq Rohani/Rouhani dead at 96. Seems like he had been ill for a longer time.

 

EDIT: was a DDP pick last year.

[drol 10,054]

Before the celebration, it must be pointed out Rohani was a longtime dissident and critic of the regime.

 

Shirazi is playing the tough guy part as he proposed social media to be banned in the country.

[arghton 6,123]

Jannati and Shirazi will both be 96 in a few months. Won't be sad deaths but I think they could live a few years more.

 

 

The original list has ayatollahs, maraji aged 90-101, they seem pretty tough. Here's the younger ones aged 80-90 - 

 

-. Abdollah Javadi-Amoli (5 May 1933-) Marja'. One of the "builders" of modern Iran, but a critic of nuclear weapons and Iran's banking system. Lost his wife around April and it seems to have been a blow to his health.

-. Grand Ayatollah Hossein Mazaheri Isfahani (16 November 1933-) Seems to be some kind of an éminence grise who Khamenei respects a lot. Was in intensive care following a surgery in 2016 but recovered.

-. Ayatollah Sheikh Zaynolabideen Ghorbani (1933-) Student of Khomeini, Noori-Hamedani and others. Has held titles since Khomeini came to power and still a member of the Assembly of Experts, faightful servant of whoever is in charge.

-. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ebrahim Jannaati (1933-) One of Iran's most liberal Ayatollahs. 

-. Ayatollah Seyed Mohammad Shahcheraghi (10 June 1934-) Current member of the Assembly of Experts. Pro-government but not the worst guy out of the Ayatollahs. Mostly retired in August last year.

-. Hojatoleslam/Ayatollah Hassan Sane'i (1934-2023) Fundamentalist hardliner asshole and longtime member of the Member of Expediency Discernment Council. Has called for the execution of Salman Rushdie and even offered a bounty for it. Collapsed in 2016 and has been frail and mostly wheelchairbound since.

-. Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Mohammad Dastgheib Shirazi (14 March 1935-) Still active.

-. Ayatollah Morteza Moghtadai (12 October 1935-) Was against protests in 2009, now isn't that much.

-. Ayatollah Sayyid Mohammad Khamenei (25 December 1935-) Ali Khamenei's fat older brother. Survived an assasination attempt in 1982.

-. Mirza Yadollah Duzduzani (1935-) Minor name with no English wikipedia page

-. Ayatollah Abolghasem Wafi Yazdi (1935-) Assembly of Experts member.

-. Ayatollah Sheikh Ahmad Beheshti (1935-) Decrepit

-. Grand Ayatollah Shamsodin Vaezi (1936-) Iraqi, as far as I know not in the best health

-. Grand Ayatollah Sheikh Isa Ahmed Qassim (1 January 1937/1941-) Bahrain

-. Mehdi Karroubi (26 September 1937-) Under house arrest for around 11 years now.

-. Reza Ostadi Moghaddam (29 September 1937-) Assembly of Experts member

-. Seyyed Mohsen Kharazi (1937-) One of Khamenei's decrepit pals

-. Grand Ayatollah Kadhim Husayni al-Haeri (1938-) Became the first ever Marja to completely resign from his position in August. Seems very ill.

-. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Gerami Qomi (1938-) Not ill as far as I know but relatively rarely makes public appearances.

-. Ayatollah Hashem Hashemzadeh Herisi (1938-) 

-. Mohammad Mehdi Khalesi (1938-) Iraq, minor name with no English wikipedia page

-. The Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei (19 April 1939-) Health problems widely documented here

-. Grand Ayatollah Ali Asghar Rahimi Azad (1939-) Relatively minor name.

-. Ghodratollah Alikhani (1939-) Former Member of Parliament.

-. Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Shafiei (1940-) Was gravely ill with a lung disease in 2020.

-. Grand Ayatollah Yasubeddin Rastegar Jooybari (1940-) Khamenei critic who has been arrested multiple times.

-. Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Mohammad Taher Aleshobair Khaqani (1940-) Iraqi, Relatively minor name. 

-.  Sheikh Khalil Qudsi Mehr Tabrezi (1940-) Minor name

-. Mohammad-Reza Ashtiani Araghi (1940-) Former Member of Parliament

-. Grand Ayatollah Asadollah Bayat-Zanjani (23 December 1941-) Against Khamenei and supports the protests.

-. Dosti Zanjani (1941-) Minor name

-. Ayatollah Sayyid Mohammad-Ali Mousavi Jazayeri (1941-) Long, long, longtime member of the assembly of experts. In the UK for treatment in 2017, has been ill other times too.

-. Sayyid Mahmoud Mar'ashi Najafi (1941-) Not only an ayatollah, also a librarian, bibliographer and manuscript expert. really likes his books.

-. Hafiz Riaz Hussain Najafi (1941-) Pakistan

-. Grand Ayatollah Sayyid Sadiq al-Husayni al-Shirazi (20 August 1942-) Clashed with the government and Khamenei multiple times

-. Grand Ayatollah Sheikh Basheer Hussain Najafi (1942-) Pakistan/Iraq Anti-ISIS ayatollah

-. Sayyid Mohammad Mousavi Khoeiniha (1942/1945-) spiritual leader of the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam's Line who led the hostage taking of American embassy staff on 4 November 1979. Has been against Khamenei multiple times.

 

 

Many of these are also former DDP picks, most by a certain unmentioned team that picked a ton of random Ayatollahs in 2021.

[Ulitzer95 11,043]

On 26/07/2022 at 11:46, arghton said:

Updated for the death of Diane Hegarty, mentioned above.

 

Taiwanese buddhist monk, scholar Chin Kung dead at 95 from pneumonia. Are there any older religious leaders in Taiwan than Hsing Yun, the near-blind obese diabetic 94-year-old three-time stroke survivor with heart problems?

 

Well, here's a list of the oldest Buddhist leaders. 90+, list might be missing people. There have been a lot of major deaths during the last 12 months, such as Thích Nhất Hạnh, Tulko Rato Rinpoche, Thích Thanh Đàm, Thích Phổ Tuệ and Jakucho Setouchi.

Rizong Rinpoche (1928-) 102nd Gaden Tripa of Tibetan Buddhism 2009-2016.

Rizong Rinpoche (wiki) dead at 94.

[arghton 6,123]

Not suprised - he looked very frail in October when he met the Dalai Lama. (The only thing I'm suprised is that he's the first person to die from that list)

 

As far as I know his predecessor Khensur Lungri Namgyel (ལུང་རིག་རྣམ་རྒྱལ) is still alive and 95. He lives in the Thar Deu Ling temple in France, Île-de-France, Seine-et-Marne, Chelles that he founded in 1980.

[arghton 6,123]

Syrian "islamic scholar" Munira al-Qubaysi who founded the women-only revivalist islamist pro-Assad organization Al-Qubaysiat, dead at 89 or 93 after "long illness".