Nobel Prize In Death

[arghton 6,692]

https://www.infobae.com/sociedad/2022/01/02/adolfo-perez-esquivel-sufrio-un-acv-y-permanece-internado/

Adolfo Perez Esquivel, 1980 Nobel Peace Prize recipient and Argentine activist hospitalised after health scare, stroke now ruled out.

Stable, will be kept under observation for 24 hours at the hospital. 

[drol 11,886]

Luc Montagnier appeared at a big anti-vaxx convention in Italy. Beside being completely demented (anti-vaxxers will save humanity, people who had the vaccine will require constant medical care), he looks like a toad and rather frail.

 

That, the fact he is likely unvaccinated and he was with thousands of morons not wearing masks quite pushes his luck.

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

6 hours ago, drol said:

Luc Montagnier appeared at a big anti-vaxx convention in Italy. Beside being completely demented (anti-vaxxers will save humanity, people who had the vaccine will require constant medical care), he looks like a toad and rather frail.

 

That, the fact he is likely unvaccinated and he was with thousands of morons not wearing masks quite pushes his luck.

I don’t agree with his stance, but with all due respect, he’s more qualified than you. You must stop being so angry at the world and labelling ppl who don’t agree with you as “morons”.

 

Oh and btw, maybe go read into some of the things he’s said before cursing at your computer monitor. On his Wiki page, I see they’ve locked it and stamped in this line in the intro “During the COVID-19 pandemic, Montagnier was criticised for using his Nobel prize status to "spread dangerous health messages outside his field of knowledge"^[6] for promoting the conspiracy theory that SARS-CoV-2 was deliberately created in a laboratory. Such a claim has been refuted by other virologists.^{[7][8][9][10]”}

 

Now, is this that controversial? The theory was originally panned by the mainstream scientific community, and the media… mainly because the Trump administration was one of the first groups of ppl to push it, and so whatever they said, the opposite must surely be the case… even though, you know, China is a brutal authoritarian dictatorship with millions of its own citizens in concentration camps and we should not trust a single word they say.
 

26 months on from first being identitied as a new virus, not one zoological case of COVID-19 has been discovered. Its structure is that of a human virus, unlike SARS and MERS. Hence why when those viruses went worldwide they killed few ppl and fizzled out very quickly, because they couldn’t attach themselves to human cells as easily. The fact that Harvard University, the WHO, and the British Government are now exploring the idea that this has a laboratory origin at least gives Montagnier some credit of being needlessly silenced when asking the correct questions. Granted, the idea of it being intentionally leaked is mere speculation but the fact that we have a whistleblower, the Wuhan Labs had been doing research into coronaviruses since at least 2004, and they’ve now refused to let the WHO investigate this, gives weight to his theory. So the man doesn’t sound like a complete “moron” to me, rather someone who is actually shedding some light on a too often dismissed theory. The lab option is starting to gain more momentum within the mainstream. More information will surface, more whistleblowers will come forward. Let’s revisit this in a couple of years and see if Montagnier was really a total “moron” as you have branded him.

[drol 11,886]

Actually I said the other ones were "morons", it was not directly referred to him. Read more carefully.

 

He did not discuss the virus origin at that convention! That's his words, duly translated:

 

anziché proteggere dalla malattia favorisce anche altre infezioni. La proteina usata per il vaccino è un veleno e tocca organi come il cuore, tanto che molti atleti si stanno ammalando. Il vaccino è fatto per proteggere e non per uccidere".

 

instead of protecting from illness it favours other infections. The protein used for the vaccine is a poison and damages organs like heart, so many athletes are getting sick. A vaccine should be made to protect, not to kill!

 

What are the proofs of what he is saying? That's not a scientific discussion, that's something you would hear in a bar from the town drunkard. You are not answering my points, he claims thing he can not demonstrate in any possible way, in order to please the people who are occupying 85% of COVID ICUs in my country (and that's an objective data!).

 

I may not be qualified to judge, I'm not a doctor or a biologist, but I collaborated with pharmaceutical companies in the past. Thinking something would be produced in order to "kill people" in the name of a "world conspiracy" is pure utter bullshit.

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

I agree that his views on the vaccine itself are wrong. I do think, however, he is correct with the lab leak theory, and I think history will show him to be right on that one.
 

My point was more so you shouldn’t dismiss everyone you disagree with as “morons”. It’s deeply unhelpful. A lot of the ppl on social media spreading conspiracy theories about the vaccine feel validated in what they’re saying by the hostility they’ve faced. The name calling and finger pointing they experience from others doesn’t help them form a new opinion – it pigeon holes them further into their echo chamber. If you want to change someone’s opinion on something, calling them a “moron” isn’t the best place to start.
 

I know you celebrate the fact that a lot of these anti-vaxxers have died from the virus. I think it’s somewhat tragic, and if others had been a little more gentle in their approach to combatting their conspiracy theories, we may have had fewer needless deaths from this virus.

[drol 11,886]

I don't celebrate anything. I report they die, just as I do for any other category. I'm not celebrating anything (apart from very rare cases, I only recall Marcus Lamb, but he was not a run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist, he manipulated thousands of people).

 

As for them, some can not be helped at this point. Sincerely I even think that's their choice and should be respected. But I have the right to think they are morons.

 

And the whole lab leak thing was brought out by you, I never mentioned it in first place. There are things I might discuss: bad handling of emergency by government(s), vaccination of kids (is that really useful?), doubts on having so many temporally near doses. But that's not what he was saying. Those were mad ramblings of a disgraced scientist and should be considered as they deserve.

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

1 hour ago, drol said:

As for them, some can not be helped at this point. Sincerely I even think that's their choice and should be respected. But I have the right to think they are morons.

Well as a conservative, it’s always nice to hear someone who’s left leaning endorsing the notion of indivisible responsibility when it suits their argument to do so. 

[Salmon Mousse 473]

5 hours ago, drol said:

I don't celebrate anything. I report they die, just as I do for any other category. I'm not celebrating anything

 

This is absolute bullshit and you know it.

[drol 11,886]

Ok, you are all right. Now stop this fucking bullshit I started.

[Salmon Mousse 473]

10 minutes ago, drol said:

Ok, you are all right. Now stop this fucking bullshit I started.

 

It'll probably stop when you stop scouring the world for any insignificant-name covid death.  Would tell you that highlighting a random death here and there doesn't really build the case you think it does but it's become clear it's about something else with you... Most people just use pornography.

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Some people think covid is a joke and do stupid things and then die for their beliefs, some people are simply afraid of vaccine and still they die, some people refuse treatment and...guess what? They die. Some people survive and change their mind about the disease, some other people isn't affected at all by the disease, that's the case he is building and even if in most of the cases the symptoms are very mild, people still die and people who declare they are not taking precautions to avoid covid have slightly more chances to die. I find much more annoying the narration of vaccine killing people , but I'm ready to change opinion if data become relevant. Conspiracy theorists are like broken clocks, law of the large numbers don't lie.

[drol 11,886]

On 16/01/2022 at 09:31, drol said:

Luc Montagnier appeared at a big anti-vaxx convention in Italy. Beside being completely demented (anti-vaxxers will save humanity, people who had the vaccine will require constant medical care), he looks like a toad and rather frail.

 

That, the fact he is likely unvaccinated and he was with thousands of morons not wearing masks quite pushes his luck.

Montagnier dead on Twitter, but it looks like a hoax for me.

[CastAway 488]

4 hours ago, drol said:

Montagnier dead on Twitter, but it looks like a hoax for me.

Seems to be true given this article:

 

https://www.francesoir.fr/societe-sante/leminent-professeur-luc-montagnier-sest-eteint-le-8-fevrier-2022

 

That said, surprised it's not been picked up anywhere else if it is true - haven't seen an English language obit for him, just this article + a bunch of Twitter stuff. 

[drol 11,886]

A day later, still no confirmation.

 

Much easier to get confirmation for al-Baghdadi. Guess ISIL is a way more organized terrorist organization.

[drol 11,886]

On 16/01/2022 at 09:31, drol said:

Luc Montagnier appeared at a big anti-vaxx convention in Italy. Beside being completely demented (anti-vaxxers will save humanity, people who had the vaccine will require constant medical care), he looks like a toad and rather frail.

 

That, the fact he is likely unvaccinated and he was with thousands of morons not wearing masks quite pushes his luck.

Congrats to all the cunts who took advantage of a frail old man and most likely caused his death.

[gcreptile 10,963]

This is a nice Washington Post obit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier-dead/2022/02/10/e317c046-b6d5-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html

 

I didn't know that he claimed that good nutrition could prevent AIDS, that antibiotics could treat autism or that he studied "water memory".

 

[CastAway 488]

QO if needed:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60340504

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

3 hours ago, CastAway said:

QO if needed:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60340504

Not picked in the DDP, despite "one user in particular" going on and on and on about him.

[drol 11,886]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Not picked in the DDP, despite "one user in particular" going on and on and on about him.

I mentioned him first on 16 January, but you are surely right anyway.

 

Also that was the fucking single time I mentioned him. What troubles do you have in real life? Take care.,

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

4 minutes ago, drol said:

I mentioned him first on 16 January, but you are surely right anyway.

 

Also that was the fucking single time I mentioned him. What troubles do you have in real life? Take care.,

Ah, so you haven't muted me.

You took the bait.

[drol 11,886]

3 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Ah, so you haven't muted me.

You took the bait.

I have muted you, but I read the post on purpose.

 

Your life must have gone quite downhill recently. @The Old Crem actually pointed it out some time ago, I don't know why he was (cit.) "facepalmed as fuck".

 

You are an able and valuable contributor. Take care. Everyone has demons.

[Salmon Mousse 473]

Again, just pathetic.

[drol 11,886]

3 minutes ago, Salmon Mousse said:

Again, just pathetic.

You are pathetic. You are the guy who insisted a 25-year old died of the vaccine when she was killed by her boyfriend.

 

I have you on ignore and I should stop watching you at all. You are broken.

 

But there is a wrong and a right in life, want it or not. And you are wrong as fuck. 

 

You don't care about facts. Two weeks ago a frail old man was brought to a place with thousands unmasked antivaxxers. I pointed out it may have been very dangerous for him. Two weeks later he is dead. Those are facts, the rest is your ramblings. What a miserable human being you are.

[Salmon Mousse 473]

7 minutes ago, drol said:

You are pathetic. You are the guy who insisted a 25-year old died of the vaccine when she was killed by her boyfriend.

 

I have you on ignore and I should stop watching you at all. You are broken.

 

But there is a wrong and a right in life, want it or not. And you are wrong as fuck. 

 

You don't care about facts. Two weeks ago a frail old man was brought to a place with thousands unmasked antivaxxers. I pointed out it may have been very dangerous for him. Two weeks later he is dead. Those are facts, the rest is your ramblings. What a miserable human being you are.

 

[Ulitzer95 12,569]

19 minutes ago, drol said:

You are pathetic. You are the guy who insisted a 25-year old died of the vaccine when she was killed by her boyfriend.

 

I have you on ignore and I should stop watching you at all. You are broken.

 

But there is a wrong and a right in life, want it or not. And you are wrong as fuck. 

 

You don't care about facts. Two weeks ago a frail old man was brought to a place with thousands unmasked antivaxxers. I pointed out it may have been very dangerous for him. Two weeks later he is dead. Those are facts, the rest is your ramblings. What a miserable human being you are.

You're accusing others of jumping to conclusions, and yet no cause of death for Montagnier has been issued... He was 89 and very frail. He could have died of heart failure in his bed for all we know.

You have an agenda on here and you jump to conclusions and invent facts to fit your narrative.

... and accusing me of being provocative yesterday was hilarious. You're the most provocative poster on here.