Father Brown 110 Posted May 12 It’s been an awful weekend for the contest’s reputation but music won in the end. Congratulations Switzerland 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sly Ronnie 708 Posted May 12 7 hours ago, Thatcher said: I think a lot of people were motivated to vote for Israel purely on the bile that has been thrown her way, by ‘fans’ and other contestants alike. I voted for my winner, plus a vote for Israel just to piss off the lunatics. Andrew Neil watched it for the first time this year and voted 20 times for Israel, suspect many others of that ilk have done the same. You could see this coming a mile off after the Italian semifinal vote leaked. Anyway, thrilled for Switzerland - they got my vote. Disappointed Olly got 0 from the public - that seems incredibly harsh; as always the case there was much crappier songs that did way better. At least we were left hand side of the board, if even for a moment. Reminder to Andrew Neil when the time comes: you can only vote once in a General Election my lad! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 3,897 Posted May 12 13 hours ago, Thatcher said: I think a lot of people were motivated to vote for Israel purely on the bile that has been thrown her way, by ‘fans’ and other contestants alike. I voted for my winner, plus a vote for Israel just to piss off the lunatics. Andrew Neil watched it for the first time this year and voted 20 times for Israel, suspect many others of that ilk have done the same. You could see this coming a mile off after the Italian semifinal vote leaked. Anyway, thrilled for Switzerland - they got my vote. Disappointed Olly got 0 from the public - that seems incredibly harsh; as always the case there was much crappier songs that did way better. At least we were left hand side of the board, if even for a moment. Ah, so it was a rigged vote for Israel, nothing to do with music. That's fine. She lost, her song was forgettable, end of story. For all the noise and chaos, the show itself was actually quite enjoyable and the winner had a great song and a brilliant stage presence. A remarkably successful night in our house: I voted for the winner, dad voted for 2nd and mum got 4th. 12 months for the world to calm down before we do it all again. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clorox Bleachman 2,115 Posted May 12 2 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said: Ah, so it was a rigged vote for Israel, nothing to do with music. That's fine. She lost, her song was forgettable, end of story. For all the noise and chaos, the show itself was actually quite enjoyable and the winner had a great song and a brilliant stage presence. A remarkably successful night in our house: I voted for the winner, dad voted for 2nd and mum got 4th. 12 months for the world to calm down before we do it all again. I saw way too many 'progressive' people boycotting it and foresaw the vote being taken over by supporters of a certain country. That's why I voted for Switzerland, Croatia and Ireland twice each. Also because I ACTUALLY LIKED THE SONGS. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 10,338 Posted May 12 I liked Croatia very much. As much as I disliked Italy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charles De Gaulle 418 Posted May 12 The whole 20 votes being allowed rule and people being able to vote before all the songs were performed are incredibly suspicious changes. Highly suspicious that they would bring in such a system that allows 20 votes rather than one vote. It would create a lot of variables that would make judging the contest a lot more cumbersome than the simpler method of one vote for one person. The voting seems to have been set up in a way that encouraged vote brigading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thatcher 2,163 Posted May 12 5 hours ago, RoverAndOut said: Ah, so it was a rigged vote for Israel, nothing to do with music. That's fine. She lost, her song was forgettable, end of story. For all the noise and chaos, the show itself was actually quite enjoyable and the winner had a great song and a brilliant stage presence. A remarkably successful night in our house: I voted for the winner, dad voted for 2nd and mum got 4th. 12 months for the world to calm down before we do it all again. Not so much a rigged vote as a statement vote. If everybody had accepted the fact that Israel were competing, sucked it up and got on with it without the insults and trolling, I am fairly confident her average song would’ve ended up middle of the leaderboard. But people wanted to make it political, and there we can see the result. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sasnak 9 Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Charles De Gaulle said: The whole 20 votes being allowed rule and people being able to vote before all the songs were performed are incredibly suspicious changes. Highly suspicious that they would bring in such a system that allows 20 votes rather than one vote. It would create a lot of variables that would make judging the contest a lot more cumbersome than the simpler method of one vote for one person. The voting seems to have been set up in a way that encouraged vote brigading. Please change you avi pic to this. Very appropriate for the forum. I’d add an avi picture but the forum link isn’t working (at least on iPhone) at the moment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,261 Posted May 12 3 hours ago, Charles De Gaulle said: The whole 20 votes being allowed rule and people being able to vote before all the songs were performed are incredibly suspicious changes. Highly suspicious that they would bring in such a system that allows 20 votes rather than one vote. It would create a lot of variables that would make judging the contest a lot more cumbersome than the simpler method of one vote for one person. The voting seems to have been set up in a way that encouraged vote brigading. 20 votes has been the rule for years and the change to the start has been done before. And why would the EBU want Israel to do well when they hosting a few years ago was chaotic enough dealing with the religious parties in the country. (They had to reluctantly move it to Tel Aviv despite Netanyahu wanting it in Jerusalem but it would have been impossible to do so and follow the Shabbat rules’ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tango854 237 Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Thatcher said: Not so much a rigged vote as a statement vote. If everybody had accepted the fact that Israel were competing, sucked it up and got on with it without the insults and trolling, I am fairly confident her average song would’ve ended up middle of the leaderboard. But people wanted to make it political, and there we can see the result. I wouldn't vote for the nation currently doing a genocide, but you do you I guess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 15,240 Posted May 12 21 hours ago, RoverAndOut said: Olly getting nul points from the public was unbelievably harsh. Even Norway got 4. I cheered. Now that I've seen the whole thing, I'm not surprised. The staging was dirty and sordid, and verging on the pornographic. The song was decent, but he sang it poorly. His voice was weak and out of tune. He thinks he's so sexy He's so preoccupied with showing off and being edgy that there's little effort put into the actual performance of the song. There's some hilarious comments on this youtube video of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0_FdJqyQW0 Even gay men are saying they didn't like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Philheybrookbay1 170 Posted May 13 As a Eurovision fan currently in Greece on holiday the UK entry was met with almost stunned silence by the Greeks. It wasn't just the song which was poor, but the sexualisation of the staging. Greeks were literally shaking their heads. And here's the problem. We've got to get away from the idea that it has be shocking. All the songs which are good had hooks- Ireland, Croatia and to point Switzerland. The Croatian song has been everywhere here this week playing in the pubs, bars etc. If we have a song like in 2022 which is sung well, staged well we can do it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Father Brown 110 Posted May 13 16 hours ago, Charles De Gaulle said: The whole 20 votes being allowed rule and people being able to vote before all the songs were performed are incredibly suspicious changes. Highly suspicious that they would bring in such a system that allows 20 votes rather than one vote. It would create a lot of variables that would make judging the contest a lot more cumbersome than the simpler method of one vote for one person. The voting seems to have been set up in a way that encouraged vote brigading. We were allowed 20 votes for years already. Heck, I remember Petra saying it in 2013! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 17,936 Posted May 13 3 minutes ago, Father Brown said: We were allowed 20 votes for years already. Heck, I remember Petra saying it in 2013! It was the same in 2006 as a friend used up my text credit left voting for We Are The Winners of Eurovision by iirc Lithuania repeatedly! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,261 Posted May 15 I find it ironic the Dutch entrant was hardline anti Israel and now the Netherlands will have one of the most pro Israel governments in Europe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 19,671 Posted June 2 Harry van Hoof, prominent Dutch composer who conducted the orchestra at Eurovision many times for the Netherlands, reportedly dead: https://nos-nl.translate.goog/artikel/2522863-componist-en-songfestival-dirigent-harry-van-hoof-81-overleden?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc&_x_tr_hist=true And here he is with Teach-In for their winning 1975 entry: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,261 Posted Tuesday at 19:04 Norway seems to have suggested it will withdraw from the 2025 contest if Israel is not banned. I still think if Israel is banned political reactions in the UK will see the BBC having to do the opposite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 843 Posted Tuesday at 19:38 33 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Norway seems to have suggested it will withdraw from the 2025 contest if Israel is not banned. I still think if Israel is banned political reactions in the UK will see the BBC having to do the opposite. Get it into your skull that not everyone in the UK is a fucking Zionist. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,261 Posted Tuesday at 19:55 20 minutes ago, prussianblue said: Get it into your skull that not everyone in the UK is a fucking Zionist. But the media and both major political parties are. And what do anti Zionist’s want to happen? The Jews of Israel to have to return to Europe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 843 Posted Tuesday at 21:20 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: And what do anti Zionist’s want to happen? The Jews of Israel to have to return to Europe? Maybe they can go and live with your nutty reactionary family. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
