Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 2, 2018 11 hours ago, Davey Jones' Locker said: Whistleblower Archbishop Vigano is on the run from the Pope, fearing for his life! https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45332850 Vigano's come put of hiding to launch more accusations against the Pope: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/world/europe/pope-francis-archbishop-vigano.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 2, 2018 Older article from last week before Vigano went into hiding talking about the ideological war between Vigano's faction and the Pope's: "The letter, published Sunday, has challenged Pope Francis’s papacy and shaken the Roman Catholic Church to its core. The pope has said he will not dignify it with a response, yet the allegations have touched off an ideological civil war, with the usually shadowy Vatican backstabbing giving way to open combat." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/world/europe/archbishop-carlo-maria-vigano-pope-francis.html https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/the-man-who-took-on-the-pope-the-story-behind-the-viganò-letter-1.3612522 https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/what-has-pope-francis-covered-up/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,479 Posted September 3, 2018 An Archbishop who was pals with JPII and Benny (and shut down prior abuse investigations under his command) doesn't like the current Pope? Stop the presses, DJL! Also, the Jesuits have their own protection service (iirc priests highly trained in martial arts) who look after folk, they were looking after the witness to the 1989 El Salvador massacre for years. Also, there was a time when the Pope - I forget which one, 1600s - tried to outlaw the Jesuits and publicly asked who God sided with, him or the Jesuits. He died 3 days later*. So you can see why he might be scared, both religiously and in the real world. *This of course leads to the famous Catholic joke, which I'll paraphrase badly. All the various sects and orders of Catholicism are all arguing about who Jesus loves best, and finally they came to the decision to do as in Fr Ted, leave out a pen and paper for the Lord and go to bed. Lo and behold, in the morning, they found a reply! "Haven't you realised by now I love you all equally? Yours, Jesus Christ SJ". My grandfather thought that one hilarious, but then he was obsessed with Jesuits and the works of de Chardin. Anyhow, this atheist digresses... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 9, 2018 The search is under way: "THE HUNT FOR VIGANÒ: VATICAN SPIES TRACKING WHISTLEBLOWER Vatican officials are on the hunt for Abp. Carlo Maria Viganò. According to sources within the Vatican, the Secretariat of State of the Holy See — under the direction of Pietro Cardinal Parolin — has communicated an instruction to its internal and external security services to use its "intelligence resources" to locate the physical whereabouts of Abp. Viganò. This request has been communicated not only in order to prevent more unpredictable damage to the image of Pope Francis and the Holy See on the world stage, but also to "prepare the terrain" for the former apostolic nuncio-turned-whistleblower to be prosecuted for alleged multiple crimes against Vatican and Church law. [snip] News of the Vatican deploying its vast international resources to track down and prosecute Abp. Viganò are consistent with his assertions made to Aldo Maria Valli on their final encounter: that Viganò had "purchased a plane ticket," that he was "traveling abroad," that he "could not tell [Valli] where," that Valli "should not try to find him," that "his old cellular number will no longer be functioning," and that they "saluted each other one last time." Viganò, in saying goodbye to Valli, appears to have known exactly what the worst elements of the Vatican and its agents are capable of. Let us hope he has taken every necessary precaution from falling into the hands of those who would wish him ill." Source: https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/the-hunt-for-vigano-vatican-spies-tracking-whistleblower Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mad Hatter 1,092 Posted September 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Davey Jones' Locker said: The search is under way: "THE HUNT FOR VIGANÒ: VATICAN SPIES TRACKING WHISTLEBLOWER Vatican officials are on the hunt for Abp. Carlo Maria Viganò. According to sources within the Vatican, the Secretariat of State of the Holy See — under the direction of Pietro Cardinal Parolin — has communicated an instruction to its internal and external security services to use its "intelligence resources" to locate the physical whereabouts of Abp. Viganò. This request has been communicated not only in order to prevent more unpredictable damage to the image of Pope Francis and the Holy See on the world stage, but also to "prepare the terrain" for the former apostolic nuncio-turned-whistleblower to be prosecuted for alleged multiple crimes against Vatican and Church law. [snip] News of the Vatican deploying its vast international resources to track down and prosecute Abp. Viganò are consistent with his assertions made to Aldo Maria Valli on their final encounter: that Viganò had "purchased a plane ticket," that he was "traveling abroad," that he "could not tell [Valli] where," that Valli "should not try to find him," that "his old cellular number will no longer be functioning," and that they "saluted each other one last time." Viganò, in saying goodbye to Valli, appears to have known exactly what the worst elements of the Vatican and its agents are capable of. Let us hope he has taken every necessary precaution from falling into the hands of those who would wish him ill." Source: https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/the-hunt-for-vigano-vatican-spies-tracking-whistleblower Hey Davey could you do us a favour here on the forums and watch Olivia Newton Johns interview at 8. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, The Mad Hatter said: Hey Davey could you do us a favour here on the forums and watch Olivia Newton Johns interview at 8. ONJ's cancer has cone back for the third time and has spread to the spine. Doesn't sound good for her. The show is also a 70th birthday special for her with lots of guests she has sung with, such as Cliff Richard. She spends most of her time these days on her farm looking after miniature horses. Just starting to talk about her daughter's health battles now. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 9, 2018 Speculative piece but this Catholic news site gives reasons why they think Vigano is telling the truth, in which case Pope Frankie is in huge trouble: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/why-archbishop-vigano-is-almost-certainly-telling-the-truth Also: https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2018/09/01/journalist-behind-both-vatileaks-affairs-says-papal-accuser-is-credible/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 9, 2018 On 03/09/2018 at 18:31, msc said: An Archbishop who was pals with JPII and Benny (and shut down prior abuse investigations under his command) doesn't like the current Pope? Stop the presses, DJL! Also, the Jesuits have their own protection service (iirc priests highly trained in martial arts) who look after folk, they were looking after the witness to the 1989 El Salvador massacre for years. Also, there was a time when the Pope - I forget which one, 1600s - tried to outlaw the Jesuits and publicly asked who God sided with, him or the Jesuits. He died 3 days later*. So you can see why he might be scared, both religiously and in the real world. Some nice machinations between the Pope with a new Jesuit head of the CDF from last year for you: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-new-head-of-the-vatican-doctrine-office Oh, and this Pope may cause the End Times to begin, according to some high-ranking opponents: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-raises-question-is-pope-francis-part-of-churchs-final-trial Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 9, 2018 Washington Post columnist wakes up 500 years after the rest of us to the fact that the Refprmation was a good idea : "Suddenly I understand how the Reformation happened For the first time, I understand how the Reformation happened. Reading the stunning letter from Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò — in which the former papal nuncio says he had personally informed Pope Francis five years ago about the serious accusations against then-Cardinal Theodore McCarrick — is both heartbreaking and enraging. If Viganò is right, it means the corruption in the Catholic Church has reached not just the highest levels of Roman Curia but the papacy itself. Last week, Viganò effectively nailed his 95 theses to the door of St. Peter’s. The archbishop called out not only the Holy Father but also more than a dozen cardinals he said covered up McCarrick’s alleged abuses, including three successive Vatican secretaries of state — and called for Pope Francis to step down. It is virtually without precedent for a Vatican insider to make such serious charges against a sitting pontiff and members of the Curia — much less to call for the pope’s resignation. Viganò’s allegations need to be investigated, the documents he cites need to be released, and the pope needs to answer these charges... [snip] Viganò’s accusations are serious and credible. He has everything to lose by making them public. He cited specific letters and documents that he and others sent to Rome — which he said are readily available in the files of the Holy See and the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington. The Vatican must now release them. And his account was backed on Monday by Monsignor Jean-François Lantheaume, the former first counsellor at the Apostolic Nunciature in Washington, who said Viganò “tells the whole truth. I am a witness.” Most importantly, in his letter the archbishop declared that he is “ready to reaffirm them under oath by calling on God as my witness” — which means he is calling for his own eternal damnation if he is lying. Is Pope Francis willing to do the same? Viganò is courageously sacrificing his own episcopal career to expose the truth. Now is the time for others with inside knowledge to step forward and do the same. Catholic cardinals wear a red hat to symbolize their willingness to shed the blood of martyrdom for Christ and His church. Sadly, few seem willing to risk their own position, much less their lives. On his flight back from Ireland, Pope Francis responded to Viganò’s testimony by declaring, “I will not say a single word on this.” Sorry, that’s not good enough. Five hundred years ago, faithful Catholics waited too long to root out corruption in the Vatican — with disastrous consequences." Full article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/suddenly-i-understand-how-the-reformation-happened/2018/08/28/453396c2-aada-11e8-8a0c-70b618c98d3c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6138a6a75982 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Book 3,557 Posted September 12, 2018 Just saw him this morning in Rome, seemed to be fine, waving to his fans. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, Book said: Just saw him this morning in Rome, seemed to be fine, waving to his fans. Meanwhile, Vigano is the... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 13, 2018 "Team Francis" is losing the battle: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/liberal-team-francis-apologists-panicking-over-effectiveness-of-vigano-stat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,979 Posted September 15, 2018 Francis goes to Palermo and says "You can't be a mafioso and a christian": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/15/pope-tells-sicilys-mafia-you-cannot-believe-in-god-and-be-mafiosi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 28, 2018 Vatican civil war continues to be played out in the media: Archbishop of La Plata accuses Vigano of being "mentally ill" (what was that part in the Bible about bearing false witness, Archbsihop?): https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-close-to-pope-suggests-archbishop-vigano-suffers-from-a-delusion A local Aussie archbishop gets in on the act: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-mocks-vigano-i-wonder-if-he-thinks-he...-should-be-pope On a related note, Vigano accuses the Pope of slander: https://www.americamagazine.org/faith/2018/09/28/vigano-accuses-pope-francis-slander-and-hypocrisy-new-letter https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-vigano-releases-new-testimony-responding-to-popes-silence-on-mccar https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/abp.-viganos-testimony-may-have-just-foiled-pope-francis-plan-to-bury-us-ab https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/john-paul-iis-biographer-praises-vatican-whistleblower-vigano-courageous-ho https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/vigano-opens-a-new-chapter-in-recent-church-history-the-silence-has-been-br https://www.voanews.com/a/former-vatican-diplomat-pope-failure-to-respond-indicates-guilt/4591764.html He also accuses Cardinal Ouellett of being undermined by the Vatican's "lavender mafia": https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/the-city-gates.cfm?id=1650 https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/10795/vigan-claims-vatican-official-has-evidence-of-cover-up The Pope blames everything that has happened on the devil for exposing the sins of the bishops: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-satan-tries-to-uncover-bishops-sin-to-scandalize-the-people Der Spiegel - formally a supporter of the Pontiff - turns on the Pope with a cover story entitked "Thou Shalt Not Lie": https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/09/liberal_pope_francis_has_lost_the_most_important_liberal_weekly_in_europe.html http://catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2018/09/26/he-calls-dogmas-into-question-five-major-claims-from-der-spiegels-report-on-pope-francis/ Ex-Pope Benedict has now been dragged back into it all: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/23/europe/silent-popes/index.html https://akacatholic.com/vigano-testimony/ https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vigano-journalists-must-ask-what-happened-to-cache-of-documents-benedict-ga https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/leaked-letter-suggests-pope-benedict-more-concerned-about-his-reputation-th https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/pope-benedict-in-retired-seclusion-looms-in-the-opposition-to-pope-francis/2018/09/02/f4d262b2-aaca-11e8-9a7d-cd30504ff902_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b741f7bc5fa3 Another Cardinal is in strife for saying the Vatican has a "bigger agenda" than worrying about child sex accusations: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/cardinal-blase-cupich-apologizes-for-saying-church-had-bigger-agenda-in-midst-of-abuse-allegations-494524031.html According to the Federalist, the holdover of the Roman Catholic Church's absolute power explains its absolute corruption: https://thefederalist.com/2018/09/26/lord-actons-famous-maxim-explains-catholic-church-scandal/ Australia's Daily Telegraph calls on Pope Francis to explain or resign: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australias-daily-telegraph-pope-must-answer-viganos-claims-or-resign Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted September 28, 2018 Report on Der Spiegel article as the Vatican self-destructs... Cardinal: Pope is ‘ice cold, sly Machiavellian, and, what is worse – he lies’ September 22, 2018 – Today, the German magazine Der Spiegel, one of the most influential political magazines in Europe, published a report n the failures of the papacy of Francis. LifeSiteNews already summed up the parts of this report about the involvement of Pope Francis in a cover-up of abuse cases in Argentina. But the Spiegel authors also make a report from their conversations with unnamed prelates in the Vatican who spoke quite critically about Pope Francis. According to the magazine, one cardinal not only called the Pope effectively a liar, but he also said: “From the beginning, I did not believe one word of his.” The Spiegel's own comments on this papacy, as we shall see, are no less strong. One of the high-ranking interlocutors told the journalistic team that, in the Vatican there reigns “a climate of fear and of uncertainty.” “Francis is very good at getting things in motion,” a German prelate is quoted as saying, “but when, in the end, there is only wavering, that for sure does not help.” Examples of such waverings are to be found, as the Spiegel says, in Pope Francis' handling of the debate about Communion for Protestant spouses of Catholics. One German cardinal tells the magazine about lies, intrigues, “and a Holy Father who, unlike anyone before him, puts into doubt the truth of the Faith.” Marie Collins, herself a prominent abuse victim and advocate for victims, speaks about the Pope's and the Vatican's handling of abuse cases thus: “beautiful words in the public and [then] opposite actions behind closed doors.” The Spiegel comments that the Pope might very well ignore the “indications of crimes within his own inner circle” because “he is interested, for reasons of power politics, in keeping one or another cardinal or bishop in his office.” So, in the German magazine's eyes, “Francis [thereby] makes himself vulnerable.” He fights for years “against global capitalism, but took – like his predecessors – sums of millions from the now-rejected Cardinal McCarrick which he himself had received from donors.” Additionally, “the Pope praises the value of the traditional family, but then surrounds himself with counselors and collaborators who live the opposite – in a more or less obvious concubinage with representatives of either sex.” “Is the Pope still master of the situation?” asks the Spiegel. It points out that “criticism [of this papacy] meanwhile comes from a circle much larger than that of globally connected arch-conservatives.” One of the problems of this Pope, according to the magazine, is that “he is silent in delicate matters” such as the dubia of the four cardinals concerning his post-apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia, but also concerning the petition of 30,000 women who have recently requested that he answer the questions arising from the Viganò report. He does not answer these women, he is mute, and “he, rather, leaves the accusation unchallenged that he has known, since June 2013, about the doings of the child-abuser McCarrick.” When speaking about one of the Pope's close collaborators, Cardinal Reinhard Marx, and his own Archdiocese of Munich, the Spiegel points to the crisis of Faith in Bavaria. “A part of the problem in the Archdiocese, however, is homemade,” it explains. The credibility of the Church there, it adds, is being undermined by the facts that “a high-ranking clergyman of Munich shamelessly places his concubine right in the first pew, and that also in this city, there is indignation about openly homosexual pastors and about an unpredictable Pope.” “From the beginning, I did not believe one word of his.” These are the trenchant words of a cardinal within the walls of the Vatican: “He preaches mercy, but is in truth an icecold, sly Machiavellian, and, what is worse – he lies.” https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/cardinal-pope-is-ice-cold-sly-machiavellian-and-what-is-worse-he-lies Also, I missed this bkok from last year, entitled the Dictator Pope: "the case he lays out is largely convincing: that Pope Francis has carefully cultivated an image in public as the apostle of mercy, kindness, and openness; in private, he’s authoritarian, given to profanity-laced outbursts of anger, and manipulative in pursuing his agenda." https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-dictator-pope-90-of-it-is-simply-incontrovertible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted February 5, 2019 Priests held nuns as 'sex slaves', Pope Francis admits https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-06/pope-acknowledges-priests,-bishops-have-sexually-abused-nuns/10784118 Here is one in her cage: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted February 6, 2019 13 hours ago, Davey Jones' Locker said: Priests held nuns as 'sex slaves', Pope Francis admits https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-06/pope-acknowledges-priests,-bishops-have-sexually-abused-nuns/10784118 I was married to a nun. Nun in the morning, nun at noon, and nun at night. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,346 Posted January 1, 2020 Pope Francis apparently lashed out as a member of the public broke security protocol by grabbing his arm at a Nativity scene in St Peter's Square today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,346 Posted February 27, 2020 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11054234/pope-ill-vatican-coronavirus/ Pope Francis cancels event as he is ill with a cold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,538 Posted March 1, 2020 Specifically asks to be included in your prayers. I checked and he's never used a "remember me" or "include me" in his tweets before... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,150 Posted March 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: Specifically asks to be included in your prayers. I checked and he's never used a "remember me" or "include me" in his tweets before... 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,957 Posted March 3, 2020 Pope Francis negative to coronavirus test. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,062 Posted March 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, drol said: Pope Francis negative to coronavirus test. But positive about the future! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted March 6, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/status/1235861677934956547 His Holiness rarely visits the medical facility in the Vatican however as he has his own personal physician. Still though 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roaming_comrade 471 Posted March 6, 2020 Quick reminder that the Pope only has half a lung after they cut most of the right wing out due to a Pneumonia he had at the age of 21. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
