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1 hour ago, RoverAndOut said:

 

Odd given he's had prostate cancer since the early 2000s. Has this only come to light since he died or has it been known before? (I could search, but you know...)

 

Anyway, glad he's a miss, there's been altogether too much action already in the Scavenger Hunt recently. :lol:

Known as him having Chemo was noted on here in 2017.

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On 22/05/2020 at 11:17, TomTomTelekom said:

German Forward Uwe Seeler, who played with Hamburger SV and represented West Germany's national team in four World Cups, in critical condition after a fall

https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/fussball/uwe-seeler-hsv-legende-schwer-gestuerzt-not-op-70801222.bild.html

He fainted again - hospitalised:

https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/uwe-seeler-nach-schwaecheanfall-im-krankenhaus-a-60f4f9bb-03d8-45c4-bb05-b2aca771ee8f

 

Ticktock...

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Adam Musial, 1974 stalwart for Poland has died. Obit in Polish, but I expect one might turn up in English in due course, not least because he went from the bright lights of World Cup 1974 to playing for Hereford United for three seasons! - https://sport.onet.pl/pilka-nozna/kadra/adam-musial-nie-zyje-ostatni-wywiad-z-bylym-reprezentantem-polski/vckedhe

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Anele Ngcongca, who played for South Africa at the 2010 tournament, has died in a car accident aged just 33.

The only action at the tournament for him was 59 minutes in the 2-1 victory they had over that abject French side, but what a moment.

https://www.enca.com/sport/anele-ngcongca-33-dies

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Former Englandshire selectee Maurice Setters dead: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8978097/Former-Manchester-United-player-Jack-Charltons-assistant-Maurice-Setters-dies-aged-83.html

 

Included in OoO's lists on this thread but didn't go to 1958 Finals? Anyway, that's why I put him here. Which is probably almost certainly wrong, ha!

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Mentioning Maradona's passing here, as it seems more appropriate to document this here than in Time Added or his personal thread. I was thinking about how Pele is one of the few legends of the game from the earlier era still with us, with Maradona, Best, Cruyff and Eusebio all having passed already. I was looking at the Best Player of the Century polls done around the Millennium and the International Federation of Football History and Statistics' (IFFHS') list seems more accurate than FIFA's own polls at the time (e.g. an internet poll gave Maradona over 50% compared to Pele's 18% in 2nd).

 

1. Pele (Brazil, 1957-71)

2. Johann Cruyff (Netherlands, 1966-77)

3. Franz Beckenbauer (Germany, 1965-77)

4. Alfredo di Stefano (Spain, 1957-62)

5. Diego Maradona (Argentina, 1977-94)

6. Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, 1945-56)

7. Michel Platini (France, 1976-87)

8. Garrincha (Brazil, 1955-66)

9. Eusebio (Portugal, 1961-73)

10. Bobby Charlton (England, 1958-70)

11. Stanley Matthews (England, 1934-57)

12. Marco van Basten (Netherlands, 1983-92)

13. Gerd Muller (Germany, 1966-74)

14. Zico (Brazil, 1976-86)

15. Lothar Matthaus (Germany, 1980-2000)

16. George Best (Northern Ireland, 1964-77)

17. Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay, 1946-54)

18. Ruud Gullit (Netherlands, 1981-94)

=19. Didi (Brazil, 1952-62)

=19. Gianni Rivera (Italy, 1962-74)

21. Giuseppe Meazza (Italy, 1930-39)

22. Matthias Sindelar (Austria, 1926-37)

23. Fritz Walter (Germany, 1940-58)

24. Bobby Moore (England, 1962-73)

25. Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina, 1936-50)

26. Hugo Sanchez (Mexico, 1977-94)

27. George Weah (Liberia, 1986-2018)

28. Roger Milla (Cameroon, 1973-94)

29. Jose Leandro Andrade (Uruguay, 1923-30)

=30. Just Fontaine (France, 1953-60)

=30. Francisco Gento (Spain, 1955-69)

32. Ladislao Kubala (Spain, 1953-61)

33. Franco Baresi (Italy, 1982-94)

34. Josef Bican (Austria/Czechoslovakia, 1933-49)

35. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Germany, 1976-86)

36. Omar Sivori (Argentina, 1956-57)

37. Elias Figueroa (Chile, 1966-82)

38. Kevin Keegan (England, 1972-82)

39. Sandor Kocsis (Hungary, 1948-52)

40. Hector Scarone (Uruguay, 1917-30)

41. Josef Masopust (Czechoslovakia, 1954-66)

42. Giacinto Facchetti (Italy, 1963-77)

=43. Raymond Kopa (France, 1952-62)

=43. Sandro Mazzola (Italy, 1963-74)

45. Uwe Seeler (Germany, 1954-70)

46. Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden, 1942-48)

47. Zizinho (Brazil, 1942-57)

48. Teofilo Cubillas (Peru, 1968-82)

49. Arsenio Erico (Paraguay)

50. Denis Law (Scotland, 1958-74)

 

28 of the 50 are now dead, some will still be around a good while longer while others (e.g. Muller, Seeler) will probably go in the next few years. Anyway, just thought I'd take a look, though these lists are always selective (no Yashin?)

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Just Fontaine is a name that leaps out from that list as a legend from an era where most of his contemporaries are dead. He's now 87. Any idea on his health? 

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1 hour ago, Deathrace said:

Just Fontaine is a name that leaps out from that list as a legend from an era where most of his contemporaries are dead. He's now 87. Any idea on his health? 

 

He's one of those people I always assumed died years ago, was surprised a couple of years ago to discover he was still alive. This article (in French - I translated) is from 2018, the 60th anniversary of his record 13 goals in 1 World Cup and he seems fit as a fiddle. Can't find anything since though.

 

https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/coupe-du-monde/russie-2018/actualites/just-fontaine-recordman-et-buteur-pour-l-eternite-913210

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On 23/09/2020 at 12:13, msc said:

Updated after 4 years, the living finalists:

 

1930-1950 - No one.

 

 

1966

England 5-8 West Germany

George Cohen (b. 1939), Nobby Stiles (b. 1942), Bobby Charlton (b. 1937), Geoff Hurst (b. 1941), Roger Hunt (b. 1938)

Horst-Dieter Hottges (b. 1943), Willi Schulz (b. 1938), Wolfgang Weber (b. 1944), Karl-Heinz Schnellinger (b. 1939), Franz Beckenbauer (b. 1945), Wolfgang Overath (b. 1943), Uwe Seeler (b. 1936), Sigfried Held (b. 1942)

 

(This was level in August 2016 but the last four years have been brutal to the England 66 team....)

 

1986 has Cucciofio and Brown from Maradona's team dead and a whole lot of far too young people to mention.

 

1990 World Cup final still all standing

 

 

1966 is now 4-8 to West Germany. The Germans are 10-8 in terms of 1986 now and 11-10 for 1990 after Maradona's passing. 

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8 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

1966 is now 4-8 to West Germany. The Germans are 10-8 in terms of 1986 now and 11-10 for 1990 after Maradona's passing. 

 

Wasn't that long ago the 1966 final was holding firm at nine survivors each - they're all in a hurry to go of late. (Well, one team is...)

 

The 1994 final being the earliest without a death feels far too recent for my liking, even if it is over a quarter of a century now!

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Am I right in presuming Maradona was the first manager from 2010 to have died, 

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7 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

Am I right in presuming Maradona was the first manager from 2010 to have died, 


I presume you mean the 2010 FIFA World Cup and not just 2010 in general (because Gary Speed was manager of Wales in late 2010 and is also dead).

Maradona is the 3rd manager from the 2010 FIFA World Cup to have died:

Pim Verbeek (Australia) Nov 2019 aged 63 from cancer
Radomir Antić (Serbia) Apr 2020 aged 71 from pancreatitis
Diego Maradona (Argentina) Nov 2020 aged 60 from a heart attack

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12 hours ago, RoverAndOut said:

 

He's one of those people I always assumed died years ago, was surprised a couple of years ago to discover he was still alive. This article (in French - I translated) is from 2018, the 60th anniversary of his record 13 goals in 1 World Cup and he seems fit as a fiddle. Can't find anything since though.

 

https://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/coupe-du-monde/russie-2018/actualites/just-fontaine-recordman-et-buteur-pour-l-eternite-913210

I honestly thought he'd died about 30 years ago as well 

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11 hours ago, msc said:

 

Wasn't that long ago the 1966 final was holding firm at nine survivors each - they're all in a hurry to go of late. (Well, one team is...)

 

The 1994 final being the earliest without a death feels far too recent for my liking, even if it is over a quarter of a century now!

Pretty shocking that the 1966 West Germany team is currently level with the 1986 Argentina team! 

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4 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:


I presume you mean the 2010 FIFA World Cup and not just 2010 in general (because Gary Speed was manager of Wales in late 2010 and is also dead).

Maradona is the 3rd manager from the 2010 FIFA World Cup to have died:

Pim Verbeek (Australia) Nov 2019 aged 63 from cancer
Radomir Antić (Serbia) Apr 2020 aged 71 from pancreatitis
Diego Maradona (Argentina) Nov 2020 aged 60 from a heart attack

I did.

 

Three in a year is a bit of a wave.

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On 29/06/2020 at 20:39, drol said:

Bilardo discharged because he was actually negative.

Carlos Bilardo not told about Maradona's death.

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20 minutes ago, drol said:

Carlos Bilardo not told about Maradona's death.

An argentine version of 'Goodbye Lenin'...

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Maybe we are looking at the wrong Argentina manager, as Alejandro Sabella is currently in a serious condition with heart failure.

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That would be the most weirdly specific "rule of three" ever...

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Dimitar Largov, part of the Bulgaria squad at the 1966 tournament, as well as the Olympic team in 1960, has died aged 84.

https://www.sportal.bg/news.php?news=874756

A midfielder, he made 24 appearances for the national side, scoring three goals.

At club level, he played at Septemvri Sofia for one season before moving on to Slavia Sofia, where he made 220 appearances and scored 28 goals.

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Papa Bouba Diop, scorer of one of the most sensational goals in World Cup history for Senegal against France in 2002 has passed away.
 

 

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The man whose goal against France turned me into a football fan. RIP.

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One of the most memorable and thrilling football matches of my lifetime, and it's weird both the manager and player who masterminded it are no longer with us. And yet El Hadji Diouf lives.

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