Aristocrats

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3 hours ago, DevonDeathTrip said:

 

The venerable Earl of Airlie was on Radio 4 just now, talking about the Queen and - although lucid - sounded like he might die of old age during the interview.   One to keep under observation.   

 

The last surviving attendee of the coronation of George VI apparently.

I might look that up on the BBC Radio Iplayer online for a listen . Can you remember what programme it was please?

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1 hour ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

I might look that up on the BBC Radio Iplayer online for a listen . Can you remember what programme it was please?

 

It was on Today at about 8.40ish. 

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Updating the list of Dukes, Marquesses and Earls who will reach 80 or over by or in 2023 (again, Wiki is my friend, any errors are theirs):

 

Dukes:

 

James Graham, 8th Duke of Montrose (b. 1935)

James Hamilton, 5th Duke of Abercorn (b. 1934)

Prince Edward, 2nd Duke of Kent (b. 1935)

Murray de Vere Beauclerk, 14th Duke of St Albans (b. 1939)

Francis Egerton, 7th Duke of Sutherland (b. 1940)

 

Marquesses:

 

Nigel Paulet, 18th Marquess of Winchester (b. 1941; d. 2016) - Late Notice discovered.

David Douglas, 12th Marquess of Queensbury (b. 1929)

Charles Petty-Fitzmaurice, 9th Marquess of Lansdowne (b. 1941)

John Tottenham, 9th Marquess of Ely (b.1943)

Michael Cecil, 8th Marquess of Exeter (b. 1935)

David Pratt, 6th Marquess Camden (b. 1930) - No individual Wiki page.

Michael Brudenell-Bruce, 8th Marquess of Ailesbury (b. 1926)

Mark Dundas, 4th Marquess of Zetland (b. 1937)

Simon Isaacs, 4th Marquess of Reading (b. 1942)

 

Earls:

 

England:

 

Richard Bertie, 14th Earl of Lindsey and 9th Earl of Abingdon (b. 1931)

John Montagu, 11th Earl of Sandwich (b. 1943)

George Coventry, 13th Earl of Coventry (b. 1939)

 

Scotland:

 

Robert Lindsay, 29th Earl of Crawford (b. 1927; d. 2023)

Margaret of Mar, 31st Countess of Mar (b. 1940)

Malcolm Erskine, 17th Earl of Buchan (b. 1930; d. 2022) - No individual Wiki Page

John Eric Drummond, 9th Earl of Perth (b. 1935; d. 2023) - No individual Wiki Page

Ian Maitland, 18th Earl of Lauderdale (b. 1937)

Andrew Bruce, 11th Earl of Elgin and 15th Earl of Kincardine (b. 1924)

David Ogilvy, 13th Earl of Airlie (b. 1926; d. 2023)

Patrick Carnegy, 15th Earl of Northesk (b. 1940)

Filippo Rospigliosi, 11th Prince Rospigliosi and 12th Earl of Newburgh (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Patrick Hope-Johnstone, 11th Earl of Annandale and Hartfell (b. 1941)

Peter St John, 9th Earl of Orkney (b. 1938)

Ian Ogilvie-Grant, 13th Earl of Seafield (b. 1939)

Neil Primrose, 7th Earl of Rosebery and 3rd Earl of Midlothian (b. 1929)

Patrick Boyle, 10th Earl of Glasgow (b. 1939)

 

Great Britain:

 

Richard Parker, 9th Earl of Macclesfield (b. 1943) - No individual Wiki Page

James Waldegrave, 13th Earl Waldegrave (b. 1940)

Robin Fox-Strangways, 10th Earl of Ilchester (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Charles Cadogan, 8th Earl Cadogan (b. 1937; d.2023)

 

Ireland:

 

William Anthony Nugent, 13th Earl of Westmeath (b. 1928)

John Brabazon, 15th Earl of Meath (b. 1941) - No Individual Wiki Page

Derry Moore, 12th Earl of Drogheda (b. 1937)

Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough (b. 1941)

Arthur Gore, 9th Earl of Arran (b. 1938)

John Savile, 8th Earl of Mexborough (b. 1931) - No individual Wiki Page

David Turnour, 8th Earl Winterton (b. 1943) - No individual Wiki Page

Robert Jocelyn, 10th Earl of Roden (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page

Thomas Pakenham, 8th Earl of Longford (b. 1933)

George Dawson-Damer, 7th Earl of Portarlington (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page

Michael Annesley, 12th Earl of Annesley (b. 1933) - No individual Wiki Page

Andrew Cole, 7th Earl of Enniskillen (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Arthur Stuart, 8th Earl Castle Stewart (b. 1928)

Richard Hely-Hutchinson, 8th Earl of Donoughmore (b. 1927)

Charles Acheson, 7th Earl of Gosford (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page

Brendan Parsons, 7th Earl of Rosse (b. 1936)

Sir Richard Needham, 6th Earl of Kilmorey (b. 1942)

 

United Kingdom:

 

Francis Grosvenor, 8th Earl of Wilton (b. 1934)

Philip Grey, 7th Earl Grey (b. 1940)

Keith Rous, 6th Earl of Stradbroke (b. 1937) - No individual Wiki Page

Simon Cairns, 6th Earl Cairns (b. 1939)

Gathorne Gathorne-Hardy, 5th Earl Cranbrook (b. 1933)

Peter Mackay, 4th Earl of Inchcape (b. 1943)

Shane Alexander, 2nd Earl Alexander of Tunis (b. 1935)

Alexander MacMillan, 2nd Earl of Stockton (b. 1943)

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Forget Malcolm Erskine, 17th Earl of Buchan, he is dead aged 92: http://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/deaths/259526/burwood

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I must have missed the Announcement that Norton Knatchbull, the Earl of Mountbatten has dementia now.  One to watch for the DDP as a certain Obit. 

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On 10/09/2022 at 08:54, DevonDeathTrip said:

 

The venerable Earl of Airlie was on Radio 4 just now, talking about the Queen and - although lucid - sounded like he might die of old age during the interview.   One to keep under observation.   

 

The last surviving attendee of the coronation of George VI apparently.

David Ogilvy,  Earl of Airlie  spotted at the Queens funeral

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

David Ogilvy,  Earl of Airlie  spotted at the Queens funeral

 

 

Looks like he might not make it through the service.

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16 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

David Ogilvy,  Earl of Airlie  spotted at the Queens funeral

 

 

At least someone is making an effort for Talk like a pirate day... 

[Ulitzer95 12,638]

Technically Andrew Bruce, 11th Earl of Elgin (b. 1924) should be there.

Anyone spotted him?

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2 hours ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

David Ogilvy,  Earl of Airlie  spotted at the Queens funeral

 

As was the delicious Alexander

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On 10/09/2022 at 08:54, DevonDeathTrip said:

 

The venerable Earl of Airlie was on Radio 4 just now, talking about the Queen and - although lucid - sounded like he might die of old age during the interview.   One to keep under observation.   

 

The last surviving attendee of the coronation of George VI apparently.

Also the elder brother of Angus Ogilvy who died in 2004 & was, of course, the husband of Princess Alexandra, the Queen's cousin. 

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2 minutes ago, The Watcher said:

Also the elder brother of Angus Ogilvy who died in 2004 & was, of course, the husband of Princess Alexandra, the Queen's cousin. 

Correct.  Edited my other post as just realised the list from the Daily Mail shows Princess Alexandra did not attend the Westminster Abbey service  as well as her sister in law The Duchess of Kent  but Alexandra was seen at the Windsor service. 

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Frustratingly, hardly any information about the Queen's relations on her mother's side at the funeral. She was close to many of them & one of her cousins was Margaret Rhodes who died in 2016 aged 91 & believed to be the only person present (apart from the Queen) when the Queen Mother died. There must have been a few Bowes-Lyons present even though they are not royal?

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12 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Correct.  Edited my other post as just realised the list from the Daily Mail shows Princess Alexandra did not attend the Westminster Abbey service  as well as her sister in law The Duchess of Kent  but Alexandra was seen at the Windsor service. 

She was there according to these tweets. Maybe the Mail just missed her and her family. Other tweets say her grandkids were there as well.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, The Watcher said:

Frustratingly, hardly any information about the Queen's relations on her mother's side at the funeral. She was close to many of them & one of her cousins was Margaret Rhodes who died in 2016 aged 91 & believed to be the only person present (apart from the Queen) when the Queen Mother died. There must have been a few Bowes-Lyons present even though they are not royal?

Margaret Rhodes daughter would have been likely have there as she has been at other royal events.

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23 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

She was there according to these tweets. Maybe the Mail just missed her and her family. Other tweets say her grandkids were there as well.

 

 

Oh I knew her grandkids were there I always look out for Alex Ogilvy!

Gosh that is a big mishap by The Daily Mail!

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11 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Oh I knew her grandkids were there I always look out for Alex Ogilvy!

Gosh that is a big mishap by The Daily Mail!

I don’t think if it’s a mishap they just wasn’t sitting in the section covered by that photo. Others like Lady Gabriella Kingston (Nee Windsor) were also likely just out of shot (Her parents and brother and sister in law  are right on the edge of the photo)

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11 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Technically Andrew Bruce, 11th Earl of Elgin (b. 1924) should be there.

Anyone spotted him?

Maybe he lost his marbles…

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4 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

I don’t think if it’s a mishap they just wasn’t sitting in the section covered by that photo. Others like Lady Gabriella Kingston (Nee Windsor) were also likely just out of shot (Her parents and brother and sister in law  are right on the edge of the photo)

 

Well, I saw Princess Alexandra so I don't know how they could have missed her.

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5 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

I don’t think if it’s a mishap they just wasn’t sitting in the section covered by that photo. Others like Lady Gabriella Kingston (Nee Windsor) were also likely just out of shot (Her parents and brother and sister in law  are right on the edge of the photo)

I wonder if the speculation is right that Lady Gabriella fainting a few days ago is linked to her being pregnant?

 

Will be points for me in the birthing pool game if she is!

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On 05/04/2020 at 12:49, The Old Crem said:

 

Alexander Thynn dies.

And now his widow, Hungarian-British actress and war correspondent Anna Thynn, Marchioness of Bath (wiki) has died aged 78.

Death notice from The Times in spoiler below.
 

Spoiler

THE DOWAGER MARCHIONESS OF BATH

It is with great sadness that we announce the death of The Dowager Marchioness of Bath, Anna Thynn (née Gael). She passed away on 17th September 2022, aged 78, in Paris.

 

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On 24/09/2022 at 14:38, Ulitzer95 said:

And now his widow, Hungarian-British actress and war correspondent Anna Thynn, Marchioness of Bath (wiki) has died aged 78.

Death notice from The Times in spoiler below.
 

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THE DOWAGER MARCHIONESS OF BATH

It is with great sadness that we announce the death of The Dowager Marchioness of Bath, Anna Thynn (née Gael). She passed away on 17th September 2022, aged 78, in Paris.

 

Her death makes the front page of the Daily Mail.

[Ulitzer95 12,638]

So, with consideration to Charles III's coronation (which should in theory be in May/June of next year), will the peers play the same role they did in the past I wonder?

It used to be the case that all peers would attend to pay homage to the next monarch, but given that peers have a much smaller role within society now, will the same protocol follow how it was done 70 years ago?

Another question... we now have life peers (since 1958). They didn't exist prior to the Queen's coronation. Will they play a role?

Expecting it will be cut back somewhat due to limits on capacity and costs, but I imagine it will be a good opportunity for form spotting. A lot of prime gammon there no doubt.

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On 26/09/2022 at 23:03, Ulitzer95 said:

So, with consideration to Charles III's coronation (which should in theory be in May/June of next year), will the peers play the same role they did in the past I wonder?

It used to be the case that all peers would attend to pay homage to the next monarch, but given that peers have a much smaller role within society now, will the same protocol follow how it was done 70 years ago?

Another question... we now have life peers (since 1958). They didn't exist prior to the Queen's coronation. Will they play a role?

Expecting it will be cut back somewhat due to limits on capacity and costs, but I imagine it will be a good opportunity for form spotting. A lot of prime gammon there no doubt.

I could see the most senior peers attending but not the entire nobility. 

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James Frankland, 18th Baron Zouche (wiki), British hereditary peer, dead at 79.

Conservative member of the House of Lords from 1965 until 1999.