YoungWillz 21,067 Posted October 10, 2023 Sir James Jonathan Benn, 4th Baronet of the Benn baronetcy of Old Knoll, death notice (aged 90): https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/benn-notices_53845 Died playing golf. Heir is his son Robert Ernest Benn (b. 1963). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted October 20, 2023 Death notice for Charles John Kerr, 2nd Baron Teviot: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/teviot-notices_54010 His entitlement to sit in the Lords was lost in 1999. Heir is Charles Robert Kerr (b. 1971). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
manuel 30 Posted November 4, 2023 On 04/01/2021 at 20:14, Toast said: The Peerage website doesn't give a death date for Lady Mary's younger brother, the Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon. So I don't know if he's still about. Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon was born on 29 May 1940. He is the son of Captain Hon. Michael Claude Hamilton Bowes-Lyon and Elizabeth Margaret Cator. Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon usually went by his middle name of Albemarle. He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England. He was educated at Magdalen College, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. He was director of Coutts & Company between 1969 and 1993. In 1974 he was granted the rank of an earl's younger son. https://www.thepeerage.com/p948.htm#i9476 Hon. Michael Albemare Bowes-Lyon, first cousin of Queen Elizabeth II dead at 83 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted November 16, 2023 Frank Sanderson, 3rd Baronet of the Sanderson baronetcy aged 89 death notice: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/sanderson-notices_54413 Heir is son David (b. 1962) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted November 27, 2023 On 09/09/2023 at 16:49, YoungWillz said: Updating the list of Dukes, Marquesses and Earls who have reached or will reach 80 or over by or in 2024 (again, Wiki is my friend, any errors are theirs): Ireland: William Anthony Nugent, 13th Earl of Westmeath (b. 1928) John Brabazon, 15th Earl of Meath (b. 1941) - No Individual Wiki Page Roger Lambart, 13th Earl of Cavan (b. 1944) - No Individual Wiki Page Derry Moore, 12th Earl of Drogheda (b. 1937) Myles Ponsonby, 12th Earl of Bessborough (b. 1941) Arthur Gore, 9th Earl of Arran (b. 1938) John Savile, 8th Earl of Mexborough (b. 1931) - No individual Wiki Page David Turnour, 8th Earl Winterton (b. 1943) - No individual Wiki Page Robert Jocelyn, 10th Earl of Roden (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page Thomas Pakenham, 8th Earl of Longford (b. 1933) George Dawson-Damer, 7th Earl of Portarlington (b. 1938) - No individual Wiki Page Michael Annesley, 12th Earl of Annesley (b. 1933) - No individual Wiki Page Andrew Cole, 7th Earl of Enniskillen (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page Arthur Stuart, 8th Earl Castle Stewart (b. 1928) Richard Hely-Hutchinson, 8th Earl of Donoughmore (b. 1927) Charles Acheson, 7th Earl of Gosford (b. 1942) - No Individual Wiki Page Brendan Parsons, 7th Earl of Rosse (b. 1936) Sir Richard Needham, 6th Earl of Kilmorey (b. 1942) Arthur Stuart, 8th Earl Castle Stewart, Irish peer, doesn't make the 2024 starting line: https://peeragenews.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-8th-earl-castle-stewart-1928-2023.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted November 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I'll stick this here -James Douglas-Hamilton reportedly dead: Following the reported death of James Douglas-Hamilton, heir apparent to the disclaimed Earldom of Selkirk is his son John Douglas-Hamilton (b. 1978) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,608 Posted November 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Following the reported death of James Douglas-Hamilton, heir apparent to the disclaimed Earldom of Selkirk is his son John Douglas-Hamilton (b. 1978) I wonder if he will claim it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comped 530 Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: I wonder if he will claim it. Probably. Most sons of fathers who disclaim peerages end up taking them up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Summer in Transylvania 2,190 Posted December 5, 2023 On 04/01/2021 at 20:14, Toast said: The Peerage website doesn't give a death date for Lady Mary's younger brother, the Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon. So I don't know if he's still about. Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon was born on 29 May 1940. He is the son of Captain Hon. Michael Claude Hamilton Bowes-Lyon and Elizabeth Margaret Cator. Hon. Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon usually went by his middle name of Albemarle. He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England. He was educated at Magdalen College, Oxford University, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England. He was director of Coutts & Company between 1969 and 1993. In 1974 he was granted the rank of an earl's younger son. https://www.thepeerage.com/p948.htm#i9476 Michael Albemarle Bowes-Lyon dead at 83. Died on 30th October. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gisooo 3,381 Posted December 10, 2023 Ursula Bethell, Baroness Westbury (Wiki) dead at 99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted December 18, 2023 Death notice for the Hon. Harry St Clair Fane aged 70: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/fane-notices_54894 Interesting one this. He was the Second Page of Honour to HM Queen Elizabeth II between 1966 and 1968. His older brother is the current 16th Earl of Westmoreland, and, as the current Earl only has a daughter, Harry was the heir apparent. Therefore the heir apparent to the Earldom now moves to Harry's son Sam (b. 1989). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thatcher 2,418 Posted January 9 The Honourable James Ogilvy (brother in law of Princess Alexandra, The Lady Ogilvy) dead aged 89. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,067 Posted January 19 Death notice for Sir John Conant, 2nd Baronet and WWII veteran aged 100: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/conant-notices_55344 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Conant,_2nd_Baronet 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 19 23 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Death notice for Sir John Conant, 2nd Baronet and WWII veteran aged 100: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/conant-notices_55344 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Conant,_2nd_Baronet The new Baronet Conant is 35 years younger so shouldn't be troubling us for a while. Sir John Conant was the oldest living baronet. I have no idea who the new one is now but whoever it is they were born in 1927 or after so will probably be years until we see another centenarian baronet. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,608 Posted January 19 10 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Death notice for Sir John Conant, 2nd Baronet and WWII veteran aged 100: https://announcements.telegraph.co.uk/marketplace/advert/conant-notices_55344 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_John_Conant,_2nd_Baronet DDP selection for Diana Rotts so an hit if an obit comes in and LOTL if not. His family also out an announcement in the Times announcement page as well as the Telegraph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 19 15 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: The new Baronet Conant is 35 years younger so shouldn't be troubling us for a while. Sir John Conant was the oldest living baronet. I have no idea who the new one is now but whoever it is they were born in 1927 or after so will probably be years until we see another centenarian baronet. Oldest baronet is now Henry Stephenson, presumed 3rd Baronet (wiki, born November 1926). Means there are now no living baronets born before QEII. However, there are still 5 living peers who were born between Sep 1920 and Mar 1926. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,155 Posted January 19 26 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: Oldest baronet is now Henry Stephenson, presumed 3rd Baronet (wiki, born November 1926) Means there are now no living baronets born before QEII. However, there are still 5 living peers who were born between Sep 1920 and Mar 1926. "Presumed" .... how intriguing. Wikipedia says "As of 2007 the presumed third holder of the title has not successfully proven his succession and is therefore not on the official roll of the baronetage, with the baronetcy considered dormant." I wonder why not. Succession to Baronetcy His birth, parents' marriage, and father's death are all to be found in the GRO indexes. The Peerage doesn't mention anything. https://www.thepeerage.com/p58303.htm#i583021 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, Toast said: "Presumed" .... how intriguing. Wikipedia says "As of 2007 the presumed third holder of the title has not successfully proven his succession and is therefore not on the official roll of the baronetage, with the baronetcy considered dormant." I wonder why not. Succession to Baronetcy His birth, parents' marriage, and father's death are all to be found in the GRO indexes. The Peerage doesn't mention anything. https://www.thepeerage.com/p58303.htm#i583021 It's not uncommon. There are a lot of unclaimed titles. Once a holder dies, the heir apparent must apply to be officially recognised and enrolled on the register. Once it's approved, they announce it in the House of Lords. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 20 Lord Trimlestown (wiki), hereditary peer (though an Irish title so was never a member of the House of Lords) dead at 93. Spoiler BARNEWALL (21ST BARON TRIMLESTOWN) Raymond died peacefully on 10th January 2024, aged 93. Much-loved brother of Diana Birtwistle (dec’d) and uncle of Caroline, Emma, Lucinda and Sophia. His funeral will take place at 3.30 pm at St Teresa of Avila church in Chiddingfold GU8 4UG on Wednesday 7th February. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,155 Posted January 20 21 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: It's not uncommon. There are a lot of unclaimed titles. Once a holder dies, the heir apparent must apply to be officially recognised and enrolled on the register. Once it's approved, they announce it in the House of Lords. Do you think he hasn't bothered because he doesn't have a son to inherit? Can the heir presumptive still apply if the previous holder was unconfirmed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 20 2 minutes ago, Toast said: Do you think he hasn't bothered because he doesn't have a son to inherit? Can the heir presumptive still apply if the previous holder was unconfirmed? No idea for what his reason may be. Yes, an heir presumptive can apply even if the previous heir presumptive shunned it. What's more, I believe heirs can even re-establish titles even if their father/uncle/cousin/brother disowned it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comped 530 Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said: What's more, I believe heirs can even re-establish titles even if their father/uncle/cousin/brother disowned it. Happened with a PM's son whose father disowned it... I can't recall his name right now though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,155 Posted January 20 2 hours ago, Comped said: Happened with a PM's son whose father disowned it... I can't recall his name right now though. That might be Alec Douglas Home, I think. He was an earl or baron or something. He renounced his title though, which is different from never claiming it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,655 Posted January 22 Nathaniel Fiennes, 21st Baron Saye and Sele (wiki) dead at 103. A unique DDP pick and straight to a Telegraph QO. He was the oldest living peer. That accolade now belongs to Andrew Bruce, 11th Earl of Elgin (wiki), who will turn 100 next month (he is an alleged descendent of Robert the Bruce). Fiennes was also a non-affiliated member of the House of Lords from 1968 to 1999. Also a British Army officer and WWII veteran. Fascinating account "From D-Day to Bergen Belsen" available here: 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,974 Posted January 22 Just this morning I thought I'd find him among the recent deaths on Wikipedia. Crikey... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
