Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[En Passant 3,741]

14 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said:

 

All of the above and more.

 

The trouble is I know that and I still don't really get it. There's so much history and I just don't get the 'why?'.

Really don't care though, like all these things its just stupid in the end.  Bite me.

[Clorox Bleachman 2,435]

37 minutes ago, En Passant said:

I've really never got this, the whole rangers / celtic thing. Is it football, religion or simply tribalism at it's most basic?

When you're a young boy in a working-class area you will be forced down one of 2 pathways:

1. The green team. Baptised, Ash Wednesday, fuck the monarchy, Ireland, The Pogues, Palestine, leftist.
2. The blue team. Christened, God save the Queen, used to be Labour but now largely Tory, army.

I was made to pick the green team and it occupied my whole life until I was about 8. Even at that age the rivalry is incredibly intense. It's hard to explain to outsiders. And yes, very stupid. No one confuses me for a football fan nowadays, thankfully.

[RoverAndOut 4,746]

15 minutes ago, En Passant said:

The trouble is I know that and I still don't really get it. There's so much history and I just don't get the 'why?'.

Really don't care though, like all these things its just stupid in the end.  Bite me.

 

I'm no expert, but it's to do with Celtic having Irish Catholic heritage and Rangers being Scottish Protestants. That feeds in to the historical background in Ireland, where the Catholics were brutally oppressed by the Protestant monarchy (William of Orange - William III, et al), which is why Celtic hate the monarchy and Rangers love it. It's linked to the Unionist/Republican debate in Northern Ireland. That leads to the tribalism and the vitriolic hatred that spills over onto the football pitch. I'm sure some of our Scottish correspondents can explain it better.

[En Passant 3,741]

 So. Daft then.

[TQR 14,399]

Ooh, football and religion, my two favourites!

 

I don’t have the energy to pretend that both playing such a prominent role in what is a fucking stupid source of contention is a surprise.

[Windsor 2,233]

55 minutes ago, En Passant said:

 

You must be the only royalist in the whole of Scotland. 

 A remarkable dedication one can only applaud.

Some of us have stayed away from the filth of the SNP, Alba and Greens.

[Windsor 2,233]

46 minutes ago, En Passant said:

 

I've really never got this, the whole rangers / celtic thing. Is it football, religion or simply tribalism at it's most basic?

Celtic fans hate this country and should be deported back to their pretend ancestral lands in the Republic of Ireland.

[En Passant 3,741]

Just now, Windsor said:

Some of us have stayed away from the filth of the SNP, Alba and Greens.

 

Preferring the filth of inherited privilege, bringing us Charlie the tampon,  Andy the paedo and Harry the total dickhead. 

But yeah, I hear you.

 

There has to be a better way.

[En Passant 3,741]

Just now, Windsor said:

Celtic fans hate this country and should be deported back to their pretend ancestral lands in the Republic of Ireland.

 

Ah now, this is the thing. Celts v England. Yeah, ok.

[msc 18,476]

8 hours ago, En Passant said:

 So. Daft then.

 

Very. And I live here. 

 

Clorox's right - it gets drummed into kids from an early age to pick one side and live up to all the stereotypes of it. I'm staunch atheist yet have experienced anti-Catholic prejudice solely because of who my family was. (And ditto mrs msc, whose from a Presby family - I'd joke we're a Joan Lingard family but actually both sides got on like a house on fire like most non fucking idiots in Glasgow tend to!) It got to the point where when folk used to ask me who I preferred of the Old Firm, I knew it was coming from Celtic fans so would say Rangers specifically to wind them up. But I can't stand either side. My family have a long history of Partick Thistle supporting, but as a family of orthodox Catholic socialists with a fair number of veterans and royalists (I'm neither), we are a very contrarian bunch!

 

But yeah, its really stupid how seriously people take this. I remember a guy trying to break into my primary school to attack the kids. At the time we laughed at him tbh, but the adults justifiably freaked out. The weans even had prejudice shoved in their face, though they turned to the person in question and told them they should be ashamed of themselves. I was a proud Dad! (Oh and TQR, believe me, when anyones shoving sectarian shite in my kid's face I can get really fucking grumpy in a hurry, understatement...)

 

Life isn't so binary. I'm not a royalist, but I liked the Queen, I have sympathy for Charlie (he seems well meaning but thick) and I respect Anne, and that's more of them than I can say for the current government! A Head of State is a Head of State, doesn't really bother me if their a monarch or a President, its the same power and money going towards the top 1% no matter. The issues's the inequality, not the type of leader.

 

Oh and England's a lovely place. If Scotland was to get independence, I'd be on the side advocating strong relations with the neighbours. Between England's financial power and Scotland's likely position as an energy creator this century, it would only be beneficial to both sides. I get the romantic notion of independence, but the SNP tend to screw the pooch every time on the fine details (cough currency cough). Had they gone down the Devo Max powers bit by bit route proposed a decade ago, they'd be a lot closer to Canada status now than they are. But, as Douglas Hurd once said of the DUP, the trouble is they never know when they're winning!

 

PS The whole "other country" homeland stuff, I don't get. I was born in Scotland, live in Scotland, will die in Scotland, nowt Irish about me, bar ancestry. I'm not anti-heritage, just I don't personally get that line of it. That said, any Celtic/Rangers fans who cheer Ireland/England over Scotland in sport (as does happen) to troll the other side can fuck off. 

 

Oh yeah, Thistle are in a must win game tonight to get in the playoffs. Fuck the Old Firm, mon the Jags, I say. 

[msc 18,476]

Oh and in other news, the Tories are getting a right thumping!

[TQR 14,399]

How Jonathan Gullis’ neck of the woods did:

 

 

66.5% Labour majority there. Last time out? It was 12%.

 

I can’t wait for that mewling neanderthal to lose his seat.

[TQR 14,399]

A near-wipeout for the Tories in North East Somerset, Jacob Rees-Mogg’s constituency.

 

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

Uh yeah that'll really help them....

 

 

 

[TQR 14,399]

Cecilia’s going apeshit, Vol. 322482:

 

 

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

 

 

Eh yeah whatever you say Greg....

 

 

[TQR 14,399]

7 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

 

Eh yeah whatever you say Greg....

Oh but eventually he does provide an explanation as to why the Tories are getting fisted. Putin, of course!

 

[prussianblue 1,038]

24 minutes ago, TQR said:

Oh but eventually he does provide an explanation as to why the Tories are getting fisted. Putin, of course!

 

 

I hadn't realised that Putin has been running the British government for 13 years. Explains a lot, really.

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

4 hours ago, TQR said:

How Jonathan Gullis’ neck of the woods did:

 

 

66.5% Labour majority there. Last time out? It was 12%.

 

I can’t wait for that mewling neanderthal to lose his seat.

 He doesn't seem to be worried  

 

 

 

 

This will be one of the really enjoyable ones to watch. 

[Toast 16,144]

1 hour ago, prussianblue said:

I hadn't realised that Putin has been running the British government for 13 years. Explains a lot, really.

 

Many a true word spoken in jest.

[Toast 16,144]

On 04/05/2023 at 11:41, Toast said:

 

My ward has a Green councillor who lives locally and is incredibly hard-working and conscientious.  The Tory candidate is an immensely rich local landowner with a vast estate, who is gradually buying up independent businesses in our neck of the woods, including the local newspaper. 

Hmmmm, who to choose ..............

 

Re-elected with 69% of the vote.

[RoverAndOut 4,746]

Well, colour me shocked... 

 

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,887]

 

 

Could be quite a few Portillo moments at the GE. The dream one being JRM 

[prussianblue 1,038]

7 minutes ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

 

 

Could be quite a few Portillo moments at the GE. The dream one being JRM 

 

Would love to see Truss stuck in the bin.

[ladyfiona 2,589]

Windsor and Maidenhead have gone from being Tory held to Lib Dem which I find hilarious. Also after the admins of We Love Bracknell (45k members) facebok group goes begging for people to vote Labour for the last month...Bracknell Forest gets a majority Labour council.

 

Also how the fuck did Labour lose Slough? It's usually a safe bet.