That Portillo Moment

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

 

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

 

 

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

[Magere Hein 1,400]

 

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

 

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

 

 

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

 

 

That depends on which espionage techniques. Important ones, like reading their political writing or observing opponents from the public road or at meetings are perfectly legal.

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

 

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

 

 

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

 

 

That depends on which espionage techniques. Important ones, like reading their political writing or observing opponents from the public road or at meetings are perfectly legal.

 

 

Infiltration and incitement to commit crimes.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

 

 

 

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

 

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

 

 

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

 

 

That depends on which espionage techniques. Important ones, like reading their political writing or observing opponents from the public road or at meetings are perfectly legal.

 

 

Infiltration and incitement to commit crimes.

 

 

 

Not been paying too much attention to this. It isn't illegal to join someone else's party and report back to your own (though only a bit of a twat would enjoy the thrill of that, surely), but what crimes were incited, and were they committed?

[Deathray 2,940]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

That depends on which espionage techniques. Important ones, like reading their political writing or observing opponents from the public road or at meetings are perfectly legal.

Infiltration and incitement to commit crimes.

 

Not been paying too much attention to this. It isn't illegal to join someone else's party and report back to your own (though only a bit of a twat would enjoy the thrill of that, surely), but what crimes were incited, and were they committed?

vandalism.

[maryportfuncity 10,647]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Electoral fraud inquiry in Farage seat. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32725167

 

Aye, but that story is fairly non-specific on who the alleged fraudsters might be. There were allegations of intimidation by UKIP at the polling station, so - does anyone know - are they the ones suspected of fraud.

Fraud inquiry closed. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/577149/South-Thanet-election-fraud-investigation-closed

UKIP however have admitted that they used espionage techniques against political opponents in the campaign, presumably illegal, no?

That depends on which espionage techniques. Important ones, like reading their political writing or observing opponents from the public road or at meetings are perfectly legal.

Infiltration and incitement to commit crimes.

 

Not been paying too much attention to this. It isn't illegal to join someone else's party and report back to your own (though only a bit of a twat would enjoy the thrill of that, surely), but what crimes were incited, and were they committed?

vandalism.

 

 

 

As in, the infiltration led to stuff getting smashed up? How could they tell that act apart from stuff being smashed up by their own people?

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Anyone interested in running this again for 2017?

[msc 18,477]

Yes, although it is still a bit far off the election, no?

[Spade_Cooley 9,529]

Will put an early claim in for Gloria De Piero.

[YoungWillz 21,050]

Was thinking I'd open a 2017 thread in mid-May, just gauging interest atm...

[Sean 6,329]

5 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Was thinking I'd open a 2017 thread in mid-May, just gauging interest atm...

Would definitely participate.

[Sean 6,329]

9 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said:

Will put an early claim in for Gloria De Piero.

Lib dem or Tory victory?

[msc 18,477]

You can have a sub clause: which, if any, Labour MPs will hold their seat?

[Sean 6,329]

My initial guesses are:

Chuka Umunna

Chris Bryant

Ed Milliband

Nick Clegg 

Clive Lewis

Anna Soubry

David Winnick

 

 

[msc 18,477]

Noo, not The Ghost Davey W. He's a future deadpooling hero.

[Spade_Cooley 9,529]

17 minutes ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Lib dem or Tory victory?

 

Tory, assuming the Lib Dems don't target. Heavily Brexit-voting area + sitting MP who had a (well-paying) career beforehand she can go back to + MP who doesn't want to work under Corbyn and will have no real desire to campaign that heavily = major swing imho.

[Sean 6,329]

12 minutes ago, msc said:

Noo, not The Ghost Davey W. He's a future deadpooling hero.

Even if he loses his seat he will still be a good dead pool candidate.41 years in the commons and on home affairs select committee.

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

I predict ukip will win.

[Sean 6,329]

Does anyone think Corbyn has any chance of victory and becoming PM?

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

1 minute ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Does anyone think Corbyn has any chance of victory and becoming PM?

No

[msc 18,477]

31 minutes ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Even if he loses his seat he will still be a good dead pool candidate.41 years in the commons and on home affairs select committee.

 

Yeah but if he retires and leaves to his home, we lose our frequently form studying opportunities.

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

19 hours ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Does anyone think Corbyn has any chance of victory and becoming PM?

I don't think it is as remote as the media would have you believe. The polls do not tell the whole story and whereas last time there were shy tories now I think people don't want to admit they would support Corbyn. If Labour can fight on NHS, standard of living and anti hard brexit they may do some damage.

[Sean 6,329]

7 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said:

I don't think it is as remote as the media would have you believe. The polls do not tell the whole story and whereas last time there were shy tories now I think people don't want to admit they would support Corbyn. If Labour can fight on NHS, standard of living and anti hard brexit they may do some damage.

But issue is Labour are split on all those issues.Particularly Brexit.I think europhile labour supporters will migrate to lib dems in large numbers.I know loads of labour voters who dont think Corbyn is up for the job.If his own parties supporters have serious doubts I cant see him winning.A lot of Greens I know are not going to defect to labour which will be a problem as green party supporters tend to be socialist in nature.

[Bibliogryphon 9,586]

There are only a couple of places where Green votes matter. Brighton, Bristol & Norwich. Labour's core vote holds up in most places but they need to get off the Brexit agenda, make it about public services and a just society. If the opposition parties mobilise then voters  could decide to vote tactically. Labour lost a lot of votes to UKIP in 2015 but UKIP are a mess at the moment. Whether those votes will go back to Labour is debatable.

There is no template for this election. All the people who didn't vote in 2015  outnumber the votes cast for a single party.

[msc 18,477]

Well, given I was wrong about Brexit on here, wrong about the last election, and if I could be bothered to go look, probably wrong about the Indy Ref too. In that case...

 

 

I can't see beyond a Tory landslide. Theresa May is 100% going to be PM after June.

 

 

There.