msc 18,397 Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Gooseberry Crumble said: Gosh respect for your dedication and detailed effort! Is there any discernible patterns with liberal, northern Ireland mps and the SNP? Possibly? Although after trawling through all that for you my eyes feel a bit like Mr Magoos so that can wait for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,328 Posted May 26, 2020 1 minute ago, msc said: Possibly? Although after trawling through all that for you my eyes feel a bit like Mr Magoos so that can wait for now. Oh no rush at all!Please rest your eyes and then test they have fully recovered by going for a car drive to a nice scenic spot before attempting anything more! I would feel bad if you didnt take care and check your fitness and wellbeing in such a way before you attempted anything. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,717 Posted May 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, msc said: Anyhow, I think this proves you both right in a way - yes, the average is 82 and theres lots of long lived Labour MPs, but there's also a staggering number of "dead before 75" names on there. Nothing more fucking annoying than doing a mahoosive amount of work to prove something that then comes out displaying the average information. Average life expectancy in UK is 81.3 so about the same as a Labour MP. I suspect the UK average will also include many under 75 and many over 90. The conclusion I would draw from your magnificent effort is that the population of Labour MPs displays average population characteristics despite their stereotype image of smoking, beer swilling, pork pie and deep fried Mars bar eating northerners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,397 Posted May 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, Grim Up North said: Nothing more fucking annoying than doing a mahoosive amount of work to prove something that then comes out displaying the average information. Average life expectancy in UK is 81.3 so about the same as a Labour MP. I suspect the UK average will also include many under 75 and many over 90. The conclusion I would draw from your magnificent effort is that the population of Labour MPs displays average population characteristics despite their stereotype image of smoking, beer swilling, pork pie and deep fried Mars bar eating northerners. Yes, that was my conclusion. Especially the first sentence!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,918 Posted May 26, 2020 I'm going to say that msc has done an amazing job there. Doing such a list over that extended period of time does however have built in issues - the rise in life expectancy and progress in treatment and care will somehow slightly skew the results upward. What was the average life expectancy (all genders) at the start of, and also throughout, the period for example? It's going to be a little more nuanced, how do you compare average life expectancy with folk like Jo Cox who were murdered young for example? For our purposes, it's a good indication that you can't really say one way or the other - there will always be soft and gentle easy living Labour MPs and hard drinking cigar swilling Tories. Basically we need more really hard winters and more buses on the roads to cull them further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miracle Aligner 249 Posted May 26, 2020 50 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I'm going to say that msc has done an amazing job there. Doing such a list over that extended period of time does however have built in issues - the rise in life expectancy and progress in treatment and care will somehow slightly skew the results upward. What was the average life expectancy (all genders) at the start of, and also throughout, the period for example? It's going to be a little more nuanced, how do you compare average life expectancy with folk like Jo Cox who were murdered young for example? For our purposes, it's a good indication that you can't really say one way or the other - there will always be soft and gentle easy living Labour MPs and hard drinking cigar swilling Tories. Basically we need more really hard winters and more buses on the roads to cull them further. So I'm up to 1997 on the 70+ update - 460+ names already - and it has to be said, covid has certainly caught a few dozen ex-MPs based on the March to May 2020 deaths I've come across. Unfortunately I've know got the fun tasks of checking the DOB on all those sweet New Labour MPs for 1997 to look forward too.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,161 Posted May 26, 2020 7 hours ago, YoungWillz said: Just from a feeling I get from recording the deaths of MPS over the last three years rather than statistically, Labour MPs tend to die younger, Tories tend to get to mid-eighties and early nineties. There are the exceptions, obviously, but Tories dying in their 70s is very much the exception, Labour MPs dying in their late 80s or above very much the exception. I think that's right. Huge percentage of Tory MPs seem to die in the 85-95 age range. Very few get past 95. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,161 Posted May 26, 2020 Since Alan Clark died in 1999, only one sitting Conservative MP (Eric Forth in 2006) has died of natural causes. Michael Colvin died in a house fire in 2000. No sitting Conservative MP has died in 14 years. In that time about 30 Labour MPs have died. Given we are talking about probably 700-800 different people, that's a remarkable stat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Cornholio 898 Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Deathrace said: Since Alan Clark died in 1999, only one sitting Conservative MP (Eric Forth in 2006) has died of natural causes. Michael Colvin died in a house fire in 2000. No sitting Conservative MP has died in 14 years. In that time about 30 Labour MPs have died. Given we are talking about probably 700-800 different people, that's a remarkable stat. COVID may just change this statistic in the coming months... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miracle Aligner 249 Posted May 26, 2020 As promised. Living MPs over the age of 70 (to be precise living MPs born before 1st January 1950 as that was easy to keep tracks on.) All 571 of them. Seen as a few hundred on the old list have bought the farm and a shedload have turned 70 in the past 5-6 years. Spoiler Name D.O.B Constituency (one of ) First Elected Last Left Commons Ronald Atkins 13 June 1916 Preston North 1966 1979 Patrick Duffy 17 June 1920 Colne Valley then Sheffield Altercliffe 1963 1992 Michael Shaw 9 October 1920 Brighouse and Spenby / Scarborough 1966 1992 Jill Knight 9 July 1923 Birmingham Edgbaston 1966 1997 Eric Cockerman 4 July 1924 Bebington 1970 1987 Mary Holt 31 July 1924 Preston North 1970 1974 Ben Ford 1 April 1925 Bradford North 1964 1983 David Stoddart 4 May 1926 Swindon 1970 1983 Robert Lindsay 5 March 1927 Hertford then Welwyn Hatfield 1955 1974 Robert Howarth 31 July 1927 Bolton East 1964 1970 Ken Eastham 11 August 1927 Manchester Blackley 1979 1997 Terrence Higgins 18 January 1928 Worthing 1964 1997 Sally Oppenheim Barnes 26 July 1928 Gloucester 1970 1987 Maureen Colquhoun 12 August 1928 Northampton North 1974 1979 Dick Taverne 18 October 1928 Lincoln 1962 1974 Bill Rodgers 28 October 1928 Stockton 1962 1983 Dennis Walters 28 November 1928 Westbury 1964 1992 Bill O’Brien 25 January 1929 Normanton 1983 2005 Ronald Thomas 1 March 1929 Bristol North West 1974 1979 Lawrence Cunliffe 25 March 1929 Leigh 1979 2001 Peter Horden 18 April 1929 Horsham 1964 1997 Patrick McNair Wilson 18 May 1929 Lewisham West/New Forest 1964 1997 Winnie Ewing 10 July 1929 Hamilton/Moray and Nairn 1967 1979 John Hannan 2 August 1929 Exeter 1970 1997 Roy Roebuck 25 September 1929 Harrow East 1966 1970 Betty Boothroyd 8 October 1929 West Bromwhich West 1973 2000 Edwin Brooks 1 December 1929 Bebington 1966 1970 Stanley Clinton-Davies 6 December 1929 Hackney Central 1970 1983 Roger Sims 27 January 1930 Chiselhurst 1974 1997 Stan Newens 4 February 1930 Epping then Harlow 1964 1983 Doug Hoyle 17 February 1930 Nelson and Colne/Warrington 1974 1997 Douglas Hurd 8 March 1930 Mid oxfordshire/Witney 1974 1997 Andrew Bowden 8 April 1930 Brighton Kemptown 1970 1997 Shirley Williams 27 July 1930 Hitchin then Halifax then Crosby 1964 1983 Peter Rost 19 September 1930 S.E Derbyshire/Erewash 1970 1992 Alan Lee Williams 29 November 1930 Hornchurch 1969 1979 Michael Jopling 10 December 1930 Westmorland and Lonsdale 1964 1997 Dick Leonard 12 December 1930 Romford 1970 1974 Ronnie Fearn 16 February 1931 Southport 1987 2001 Norman Tebbit 29 March 1931 Chingford 1970 1992 John Sutcliffe 30 April 1931 Middlesbrough West 1970 1974 Michael Brotherton 26 May 1931 Louth 1974 1983 Martyn Smith 15 June 1931 Belfast South 1982 2005 Tom Mitchell 29 July 1931 Mid Ulster DQed DQed Shirley Summerskill 30 September 1931 Halifax 1964 1983 John Morris 5 November 1931 Aberavon 1959 2001 Robert Hughes 3 January 1932 Aberdeen North 1970 1997 Neville Trotter 27 January 1932 Tynemouth 1974 1997 John Nott 1 February 1932 St Ives 1966 1983 Dennis Skinner 11 February 1932 Bolsover 1970 2019 Nigel Lawson 11 March 1932 Blaby 1974 1992 Peter Trew 30 April 1932 Dartford 1970 1974 Jim Lester 23 May 1932 Beeston the Broxtowe 1974 1997 Tim Renton 28 May 1932 Mid Sussex 1974 1997 Tim Sainsbury 11 June 1932 Hove 1973 1997 John Wakheham 22 June 1932 Maldon/Colchester 1974 1992 Stratton Mills 1 July 1932 Belfast North 1959 1974 Neil Thorne 8 August 1932 Ilford South 1979 1992 Patrick Ground 9 August 1932 Heston 1983 1992 Joe Hendron 12 September 1932 Belfast West 1992 1997 Eric Deakins 7 October 1932 Walthamstow then Walthamstow West 1970 1987 Alf Dubs 5 December 1932 Battersea 1979 1987 Elystatan Morgan 7 December 1932 Cerdigion 1966 1974 Roy Hattersley 28 December 1932 Birmingham Sparkbrook 1964 1997 John Carson 1933 Belfast North 1974 1979 Michael Heseltine 21 March 1933 Henley then Tavistock 1966 2001 Llin Golding 21 March 1933 Newcastle under lyme 1986 2001 Eric Clarke 9 April 1933 Midlothian 1992 2001 David Knox 30 May 1933 Leek / Staffordshire Moorlands 1970 1997 Tom King 13 June 1933 Bridgwater 1970 2001 Jim Pawsey 21 August 1933 Rugby, 1979 1997 Ken Weetch 17 September 1933 Ipswich 1974 1987 Fred Silvester 20 September 1933 Manchester Withington 1967 1987 Joe Benton 28 September 1933 Bootle 1990 2015 John Cartwright 29 November 1933 Woolwich 1974 1992 Christopher Brockblebank 13 January 1934 King’s Lynn/North West Norfolk 1970 1983 Peter Brooke 3 March 1934 Westminster 1977 2001 Michael Mates 9 June 1934 East Hampshire 1974 2010 Tom Pendry 10 June 1934 Staylbridge and Hyde 1970 2001 David Winnick 26 June 1934 Croydon South 1966 2017 James Hamilton 4 July 1934 Fermanagh and South Tyrone 1964 1974 Richard Taylor 17 July 1934 Wyre Forest 2001 2010 John Pardoe 27 July 1934 North Cornwall 1966 1979 Austin Mitchell 19 September 1934 Grimsby 1977 2015 David Marquand 20 September 1934 Ashfield 1966 1977 Harry Greenway 4 October 1934 Ealing North 1979 1997 Kenneth Baker 3 November 1934 Acton/St Marleybone/Mole Valley 1968 1997 Frank Judd 28 March 1935 Portsmouth 1966 1979 Esmond Butler 19 May 1935 Kidderminster then Wyre Forest 1974 1987 John Corrie 29 July 1935 Bute then Cunningham North 1974 1983 Bowen Wells 4 August 1935 Hertford 1979 2001 Michael Clark 8 August 1935 Brentford then Rayleigh 1983 2001 Joan Hall 31 August 1935 Keighley 1970 1974 Raymond Carter 17 September 1935 Birmingham Northfield 1970 1979 Terrence Walker 1 October 1935 Kingswood 1974 1979 Patrick Thompson 21 October 1935 Norwich North 1983 1997 Terry Lewis 29 December 1935 Worsley 1983 2005 Geoffrey Pattie 17 January 1936 Chertsey and Walton 1974 1997 David Howell 18 January 1936 Guildford 1966 1997 William Ross 4 February 1936 Londonderry/East Londonderry 1974 2001 Roy Beggs 20 February 1936 East Antrim 1983 2005 Janet Fookes 21 February 1936 Merton and Morden then Plymouth Drake 1970 1997 Derek Spencer 31 March 1936 Leicester South/Brighton Pavillion 1983 1997 Lewis Stevens 13 April 1936 Nuneaton 1983 1992 Robert McCartney 24 April 1936 North Down 1995 2001 Barry Henderson 29 April 1936 East Dunbartonshire/NE Fife 1974 1987 John Maxton 5 May 1936 Glasgow Cathcart 1979 2001 Neil McFarlane 7 May 1936 Sutton and Cheam 1974 1992 Glenda Jackson 9 May 1936 Hampstead and Highgate 1992 2015 Marion Roe 15 July 1936 Broxbourne 1983 2005 Harry Barnes 22 July 1936 NE Derbyshire 1987 2005 John Powley 3 August 1936 Norwich South 1983 1997 Brian Cotter 24 August 1936 Weston super mare 1997 2005 Giles Radice 4 October 1936 North Durham then Chester Lee Street 1973 2001 Richard Luce 14 October 1936 Shoreham 1971 1992 Giles Radice 14 October 1936 Chester le Street 1973 2001 Christopher Gill 28 October 1936 Ludlow 1987 2001 Michael Morris 25 November 1936 Northampton North 1974 1997 Ivan Lawrence 24 December 1936 Burton 1974 1997 John Hume 18 January 1937 Foyle 1983 2005 Robert Banks 18 January 1937 Harrogate 1974 1997 Robert Banks 18 January 1937 Harrogate 1974 1997 John MacGregor 14 February 1937 South Norfolk 1974 2001 Christopher Tugendhat 23 February 1937 Westminster 1970 1977 Ann Clywd 21 March 1937 Cynon Valley 1984 2019 John Cope 13 May 1937 South Gloucestershire / Northavon 1974 1997 Alan Haselhurst 23 June 1937 Middleton and Prestwich then Saffron Walden 1970 2017 Peter Pike 26 June 1937 Burnley 1983 2005 Elizabeth Peacock 4 September 1937 Batley and Spen 1983 1997 Harold Best 18 September 1937 Leeds North West 1997 2005 Alice Mahon 28 September 1937 Halifax 1987 2005 Jim Sillars 4 October 1937 South Ayrshire/Glasgow Govan 1970 1992 David Harris 1 November 1937 St Ives 1983 1997 Peter Lloyd 12 November 1937 Fareham 1979 2001 Christopher Hawkins 26 November 1937 High Peak 1983 1992 Laurence Reed 4 December 1937 Bolton East 1970 1974 John Taylor 24 December 1937 Stranford 1983 2001 Terry Davis 5 January 1938 Birmingham Stetchford/Hodge Hill 1971 2004 Colin Shephard 13 January 1938 Hereford 1974 1997 Robert Hicks 18 January 1938 Bodmin/South East Cornwall 1970 1997 Ken Maginnis 21 January 1938 Fermanagh 1983 2001 Oonagh McDonald 1 February 1938 Thurrock 1976 1987 Norman Fowler 2 February 1938 Nottingham South then Sutton Coldfield 1970 2001 Michael Cartiss 11 March 1938 Great Yarmouth 1983 1997 David Steel 31 March 1938 Roxborough, Tweedale 1965 1997 Nicholas Winterton 31 March 1938 Maclesfield 1971 2010 Cynog Dafis 1 April 1938 Ceredigon 1992 2000 Den Dover 4 April 1938 Chorley 1979 1997 Geoffrey Robinson 25 May 1938 Coventry North West 1976 2019 John Prescott 31 May 1938 Kingston upon Hull East 1970 2010 Barry Jones 26 June 1938 Alyn and Deeside 1970 2001 David Owen 28 July 1938 Plymouth Devonport 1966 1974 James Craigen 2 August 1938 Glasgow Maryhill 1974 1987 David Madel 6 August 1938 Bedfordshire 1970 2001 George Stephenson 30 August 1938 Stoke on Trent 1992 2005 Martin Bell 31 August 1938 Tatton 1997 2001 Ian Gibson 26 September 1938 Norwich North 1997 2009 John Browne 17 October 1938 Winchester 1979 1992 Michael Lord 17 October 1938 Central Suffolk 1983 2010 Delwyn Williams 1 November 1938 Montgomeryshire 1979 1984 Maria Fyfe 25 November 1938 Glasgow Maryhill 1987 2001 Vivian Bendall 14 December 1938 Ilford 1978 1997 Bryan Gould 11 February 1939 Southampton Test/Dagenham 1974 1994 John Horam 7 March 1939 Orpington/Gateshead West 1970 2010 Andrew Bennett 9 March 1939 Denton and Reddish 1974 2005 Malcolm Thornton 3 April 1939 Liverpool/Crosby 1979 1997 Clive Soley 7 May 1939 Hammersmith 1979 2005 Hugh Dykes 17 May 1939 Harrow East 1970 1997 Hugh Dykes 17 May 1939 Harrow 1970 1997 Patrick Cormack 18 May 1939 Cannock then Staffordshire 1970 2010 Helen Jackson 19 May 1939 Sheffield 1992 2005 Anthony Favell 29 May 1939 Stockport 1983 1992 George Reid 4 June 1939 Clackmannan 1974 1979 Donald Anderson 17 June 1939 Monmouth then Swansea East 1966 2005 Stanley Henig 7 July 1939 Lancaster 1966 1970 Des Turner 17 July 1939 Brighton Kemptown 1997 2010 Anthony Steen 22 July 1939 Liverpool Wavertree then Totnes 1974 2010 John Tomlinson 1 August 1939 Meriden 1974 1979 Jack Cunningham 4 August 1939 Whitevan then Copeland 1970 2005 Charles Wardle 23 August 1939 Battle 1983 2001 George Walden 15 September 1939 Buckingham 1983 1997 David Clark 19 October 1939 Colne Valley 1970 2001 Michael Irvine 21 October 1939 Ipswich 1987 1992 Paddy Tipping 24 October 1939 Sherwood 1992 2010 Bryan Davies 9 November 1939 Enfield North the Oldham Central 1974 1997 Frank White 11 November 1939 Bury and Radcliffe 1974 1983 John Gummer 26 November 1939 Lewisham West/Suffolk Coastal 1970 2010 Ian Wrigglesworth 8 December 1939 Thornaby then Stockton South 1974 1987 Ann Cryer 14 December 1939 Keighley 1997 2010 Gillian Shepherd 22 January 1940 South West Norfolk 1987 2005 Ted Rowlands 23 January 1940 Cardiff North then Myrfyr Tydfil 1966 2001 George Morton 11 February 1940 Manchester Moss Side 1978 1983 Paul Marland 19 March 1940 West Gloucestershire 1979 1997 Stuart Holland 25 March 1940 Vauxhall 1979 1989 Anne Campbell 6 April 1940 Cambridge 1992 2005 Jeffrey Archer 15 April 1940 Louth 1969 1974 Valery Davey 16 April 1940 Bristol West 1997 2005 Kenneth Woolmer 25 April 1940 Batley and Morley 1979 1983 John Wheeler 1 May 1940 Paddington/Westminster 1979 1997 Bill Cash 10 May 1940 Stafford Stone 1984 Inc David Ashby 14 May 1940 North West Leicestershire 1983 1997 Barry Sheerman 17 May 1940 Huddersfield 1979 Inc Edmund Marshall 31 May 1940 Goole 1971 1983 Tony Marlow 17 June 1940 Northampton North 1979 1997 Ian Lang 27 June 1940 Galloway 1979 1997 Ken Clarke 2 July 1940 Rushcliffe 1970 2019 Brian Ildon 5 July 1940 Bolton South East 1997 2010 Ben Chapman 8 July 1940 Wirral South 1997 2010 George Turner 9 August 1940 North West Norfolk 1997 2001 Timothy Wood 13 August 1940 Stevenage 1983 1997 Bill Tynan 18 August 1940 Hamilton South 1999 2005 John Marshall 19 August 1940 Hendon South 1987 1997 Gerry Bermingham 20 August 1940 St helens South 1983 2010 Bruce Gorott 1 November 1940 Lichfield and Tamworth/Telford 1974 2001 John Marek 24 December 1940 Wrexham 1983 2001 Tom Clarke 10 January 1941 Coatbridge 1982 2015 Jim Cunningham 4 February 1941 Coventry South East 1992 2019 John Butterfield 14 February 1941 Bournemouth West 1983 2010 Jenny Tonge 19 February 1941 Richmond Park 1997 2005 Richard Page 22 February 1941 Workington/South West Hertfordshire 1976 2005 Ann Winterton 6 March 1941 Congleton 1983 2010 Kenneth Carlisle 25 March 1941 Lincoln 1979 1997 Doug Naysmith 1 April 1941 Bristol North West 1997 2010 David Marshall 7 May 1941 Glasgow 1979 2008 Rosemary Mckenna 8 May 1941 Cumbernauld 1997 2010 Menzies Campbell 27 May 1941 North East Fife 1987 2015 David Sunberg 2 June 1941 Bury South 1983 1997 Jeff Rooker 5 June 1941 Birmingham Perry Barr 1974 2001 Michael Howard 7 July 1941 Folkestone 1983 2010 George Young 16 July 1941 Ealing Acton/North West Hampshire 1974 2015 Bill Etherington 17 July 1941 Sunderland North 1992 2010 Kelvin Hopkins 22 August 1941 Luton North 1997 2019 Tony Worthington 11 October 1941 Clydebank and Milngavi 1987 2005 Emma Nicholson 16 October 1941 Torridge and West Devon 1987 1997 Paul Tyler 29 October 1941 Bodmin then North Cornwall 1974 2005 Max Madden 29 October 1941 Sowerby/Bradford West 1974 1997 Paul Tyler 29 October 1941 Bodmin / North Cornwall 1974 2005 John Whitfield 31 October 1941 Dewsbury 1983 1997 Angela Watkinson 18 November 1941 Hornchurch and Upminster 2001 2017 Phil Willis 30 November 1941 Harrogate and Knaresbrough 1997 2010 Archie Hamilton 30 December 1941 Epsom and Ewell 1978 2001 John Stanley 19 January 1942 Tonbridge and Malling 1974 2015 George Foulkes 21 January 1942 Carrick, Cumnock 1979 2005 Richard Needham 29 January 1942 Chippenham then North Wiltershire 1979 1997 James Couchman 11 February 1942 Gillingham 1983 1997 Peter Snape 12 February 1942 West Bromwich East 1974 2001 Michael Meadowcroft 6 March 1942 Leeds West 1983 1997 Neil Kinnock 28 March 1942 Islwyn 1970 1995 Brian Binley 1 April 1942 Northampton North 2005 2015 Graham Bright 2 April 1942 Luton 1979 1997 Les Huckfield 7 April 1942 Nuneaton 1967 1983 Syd Raspon 17 April 1942 Portsmouth North 1997 2005 Lynda Chalker 24 April 1942 Wallasey 1974 1992 Robin Hodgson 25 April 1942 Walsall North 1976 1979 Jean Corston 5 May 1942 Bristol East 1992 2005 Norman Lamont 8 May 1942 Kingston Upon Thames 1972 1997 Robert Kilroy-Silk 19 May 1942 Ormskirk then Knowesley North 1974 1986 Michael Knowles 21 May 1942 Nottingham East 1983 1992 David Hunt 21 May 1942 Wirral 1976 1997 Roger Freeman 27 May 1942 Kettering 1983 1997 John Lee 21 June 1942 Nelson and Colne 1979 1992 Neil Gerrard 3 July 1942 Walthamstow 1992 2010 David Chigley 9 July 1942 Eastleigh 1994 2005 Frank Field 16 July 1942 Birkenhead 1979 2019 Sylvia Heal 20 July 1942 Halesowen and Regis 1997 2010 Ernie Ross 27 July 1942 Dundee West 1979 2005 James Douglas 31 July 1942 Edinburgh West 1974 1997 Michael Stern 3 August 1942 Bristol North West 1983 1997 Dennis Canavan 8 August 1942 Falkirk West/West Stirlingshire 1974 2000 Thomas Benyon 13 August 1942 Abingdon 1979 1983 Frank McManus 16 August 1942 Fermanagh and South Tyrone 1970 1974 Jonathan Aitken 30 August 1942 Thanet 1983 1997 Brian Jenkins 19 September 1942 Tamworth 1996 2010 Michael Stephen 25 September 1942 Shoreham 1992 1997 Allan Rogers 24 October 1942 Rhondda 1983 2001 Gwynoro Jones 21 November 1942 Carmaethen 1970 1974 Andrew Stunnell 24 November 1942 Hazel Grove 1997 2015 Tim Boswell 2 December 1942 Daventry 1987 2010 Richard Shepherd 6 December 1942 Aldridge Brownhills 1979 2015 Nicholas Bonsor 9 December 1942 Nantwich/Upminster 1979 1997 Barbara Follett 25 December 1942 Stevenage 1997 2010 Christopher Ward 26 December 1942 Swindon 1969 1970 Andrew Hunter 8 January 1943 Basingstoke 1983 2005 Margarett Beckett 15 January 1943 Lincoln then Derby South 1974 Inc. Anna McCurley 18 January 1943 Renfrewshire West and Inverclyde 1983 1997 Peter Atkinson 19 January 1943 Hexham 1992 2010 Win Griffiths 11 February 1943 Bridgend 1987 2005 Tom McNally 20 February 1943 Stockport South 1979 1983 John Watson 21 February 1943 Skipton 1979 1987 Malcolm Moss 6 March 1943 North East Cambridgeshire 1987 2010 Douglas French 20 March 1943 Gloucester 1987 1997 John Major 29 March 1943 Huntingdon 1979 2001 John Server 1 April 1943 Birmingham ladywood 1977 1983 Dafydd Wigley 1 April 1943 Caernarfon 1974 2001 Mike Woodcock 10 April 1943 Ellesmere Port 1983 1992 Alan Beith 20 April 1943 Berwick upon Tweed 1973 2015 Gwyn Prosser 27 April 1943 Dover 1997 2010 Mark Lennox Boyd 4 May 1943 Morecambe and Lonsdale 1979 1997 Vince Cable 9 May 1943 Twickenham 1997 2019 Michael Clapham 15 May 1943 Barnsley West and Penistone 1992 2010 Geoff Edge 26 May 1943 Aldridge Brownhills 1974 1979 David Clelland 27 June 1943 Tyne Bridge 1985 2010 Alistair Goodlad 4 July 1943 Eddisbury 1974 1983 Gavin Strang 10 July 1943 Edinburgh East 1970 2010 Tony Colman 23 July 1943 Putney 1997 2005 Kieth Hill 28 July 1943 Streatham 1992 2010 Kieth Hampson 14 August 1943 Ripon then Leeds North West 1974 1997 Ronnie Campbell 14 August 1943 Blyth Valley 1987 2019 Roger Gale 20 August 1943 Thanet 1983 Inc Alun Michael 22 August 1943 Cardiff South and Penarth 1987 2012 Dale Campbell Savours 23 August 1943 Workington 1979 2001 Peter Lilley 23 August 1943 St Albans/Hitchen and Harpenden 1983 2017 Dale Campbell-Savours 23 August 1943 Workington 1979 2001 Gordon Birtwhistle 6 September 1943 Burnley 2010 2015 David Wiltshire 16 September 1943 Spelthorne 1987 2010 Richard Caborn 6 October 1943 Sheffield Central 1983 2010 Graham Tope 30 November 1943 Sutton and Cheam 1972 1974 Tommy McAvoy 14 December 1943 Tommy McAvoy 14 December 1943 Rutherglen 1987 2010 Joan Ruddock 28 December 1943 Lewisham Deptford 1987 2015 James Cran 28 January 1944 Beverley and Holderness 1987 2005 Glynn Davies 16 February 1944 Montgomyrshire 2010 2019 Roger Knapman 20 February 1944 Stroud 1987 1997 Jim Cousins 23 February 1944 Newcastle upon Tyne 1987 2010 Bob Marshall-Andrews 10 April 1944 Medway 1997 2010 Llew Smith 16 April 1944 Blaneau Gwent 1992 2005 Andrew Welsh 19 April 1944 Angus 1974 2001 Kelly Pollard 27 April 1944 St Albans 1997 2005 Chris Patten 12 May 1944 Bath 1979 1992 Lady Olga Maitland 23 May 1944 Sutton and Cheam 1992 1997 Mike Thomas 24 May 1944 Newcastle East 1974 1983 Quentin Davies 29 May 1944 Stamford and Spalding 1987 2010 Alan Howarth 11 June 1944 Stratford on Avon 1983 1997 David Curry 13 June 1944 Skipton and Ripon 1987 2010 Robin Squire 12 July 1944 Hornchurch 1979 1997 Alexander Pollock 21 July 1944 Moray and Nairn 1979 1987 Peter Bottomley 30 July 1944 Eltham then Worthing West 1975 Inc Betty Williams 31 July 1944 Conwy 1997 2010 Martin Linton 11 August 1944 Battersea 1997 2010 David Nicholson 17 August 1944 Taunton 1987 1997 John Austin 21 August 1944 Woolwich/Erith and Thamesmead 1992 2010 Bob Laxton 7 September 1944 Derby North 1997 2010 Margaret Hodge 8 September 1944 Barking 1994 Inc Colin Pickfall 13 September 1944 West Lancashire 1992 2005 John McFal 4 October 1944 Dunbarton/West Dunbartonshire 1987 2010 David Trimble 15 October 1944 Upper Bann 1990 2005 Mark Fisher 29 October 1944 Stoke on Trent 1983 2010 Julie Morgan 2 November 1944 Cardiff North 1997 2010 Malcolm Bruce 17 November 1944 Gordon 1983 2015 Joyce Quinn 26 November 1944 Gateshead 1987 2005 Gareth Wardell 29 November 1944 Gower 1982 1997 Dari Taylor 13 December 1944 Stockton South 1997 2010 Roy Thomason 14 December 1944 Bromsgrove 1992 1997 Martin O’Neill 6 January 1945 Clackmanan/Ochill 1979 2005 Nick Raysnford 28 January 1945 Greenwich 1992 2015 Jim Nicholson 29 January 1945 Newry and Armagh 1983 1985 Douglas Hogg 5 February 1945 Grantham/Sleaford 1979 2010 David Martin 5 February 1945 Portsmouth South 1987 1997 George Mudie 6 February 1945 Leeds East 1992 2015 Tim Yeo 20 March 1945 South Suffolk 1983 2015 Tony McWalter 20 March 1945 Hemel Hempstead 1997 2005 Christine Rusell 25 March 1945 City of Chester 1997 2010 Ian Taylor 18 April 1945 Esher and Walton 1987 2010 Alasdair Morgan 21 April 1945 Galloway 1997 2001 Robert Key 22 April 1945 Salisbury 1983 2010 Timothy Kirkhope 29 April 1945 Leeds North East 1987 1997 Richard Ottoway 24 May 1945 Nottingham North / Croydon South 1983 2015 Steven Norris 24 May 1945 Oxford East 1983 1997 Spencer Batiste 5 June 1945 Elmet 1983 1997 Ken Livingstone 17 June 1945 Brent East 1987 2001 Michael Ancram 7 July 1945 Berwick, Devizes, Edingburh 1974 2010 John Patten 17 July 1945 Oxford 1979 1997 Pat Doherty 18 July 1945 West Tyrone 2001 2017 Humfrey Malins 31 July 1945 Croydon North West 1983 2010 John Bowis 2 August 1945 Battersea 1987 1997 Alan Hurst 2 September 1945 Braintree 1997 2005 David Lepper 15 September 1945 Brighton Pavillion 1997 2010 Neil Turner 16 September 1945 Wigan 1999 2010 John Burnett 19 September 1945 Torridge and West 1997 2005 Christine McAfferty 14 October 1945 Calder Valley 1997 2010 Charles Goodson Wickes 7 November 1945 Wimbledon 1987 1997 Louise Ellman 14 November 1945 Liverpool Riverside 1997 2019 Jeremy Hanley 17 November 1945 Richmond and Barnes 1983 1997 Hilary Armstrong 30 November 1945 North West Durham 1987 2010 Adrian Bailey 11 December 1945 West Bromwich West 2000 2019 Alan W Williams 21 December 1945 Carmaethan 1987 2001 Michael Hirst 2 January 1946 Strathkleavin and Beardsen 1983 1987 Michael Carr 31 January 1946 Ribble Valley 1991 1992 Robert Atkins 5 February 1946 Preston North/South Ribble 1979 1997 Kieth Mans 10 February 1946 Wyre 1987 1997 Clare Short 15 February 1946 Birmingham Ladywood 1983 2010 John Greenway 15 February 1946 Ryedale 1987 2010 Michael Foster 26 February 1946 Hastings and Rye 1997 2010 Mike Wood 3 March 1946 Batley and Spen 1997 2015 Bob Russell 31 March 1946 Colchester 1997 2015 David Heyes 2 April 1946 Ashton under Lyme 2001 2015 Paul Beresford 6 April 1946 Croydon Central 1992 Inc George Robinson 12 April 1946 Hamilton 1978 1999 Archy Kirkwood 22 April 1946 Roxborough and Berwickshire 1983 2005 Malcolm Savidge 9 May 1946 Aberdeen North 1997 2005 David Trippier 15 May 1946 Rossendale 1979 1992 Rosie Barnes 16 May 1946 Greenwich 1987 1992 Hywel Francis 6 June 1946 Aberavon 2001 2015 Dudley Fishburn 8 June 1946 Kensington 1988 1997 Peter Kilfoyle 9 June 1946 Liverpool Walton 1991 2010 David Crausby 17 June 1946 Bolton North East 1997 2019 Malcolm Rifkind 21 June 1946 Edingburh Pentlans then Kensignton 1974 2015 Kate Hoey 21 June 1946 Vauxhall 1989 2019 Roger Godsiff 28 June 1946 Birmingham 1992 2019 Barry Field 4 July 1946 Isle of Wight 1987 1997 Mike Hancock 9 July 1946 Portsmouth South 1984 2015 Hartley Booth 17 July 1946 Finchley 1992 1997 Jack Straw 3 August 1946 Blackburn 1979 2015 Ron Davies 6 August 1946 Caerphilly 1983 2001 William Waldergrave 15 August 1946 Bristol West 1979 1997 Anne Coffey 31 August 1946 Stockport 1992 2019 Michael Jack 17 September 1946 Fylde 1987 2010 Robert Jackson 24 September 1946 Wantage 1983 2015 Robert Jackson 24 September 1946 Wantage 1983 2005 Robert Gascoyne Cecil 30 September 1946 South Dorset 1979 1987 Bob Clay 2 October 1946 Sunderland 1983 1992 George Kynoch 7 October 1946 Kincardine and Deeside 1992 1997 Edwina Currie 13 October 1946 South Derbyshire 1983 1997 Dafydd Elis Thomas 18 October 1946 Merionth/Merionyd 1974 1992 Eileen Gordon 22 October 1946 Romford 1997 2001 Kevin Barron 26 October 1946 Rother Valley 1983 2019 Richard Spring 24 November 1946 Bury St Edmunds/West Suffolk 1992 2010 Kim Howells 27 November 1946 Pontypridd 1989 2010 Angela Browning 4 December 1946 Tiverton 1992 2010 Mark Robinson 26 December 1946 Newport West 1983 1997 Phyllis Starkey 4 January 1947 Milton Keynes South West 1997 2010 Harvey Proctor 16 January 1947 Basildon / Billericay 1979 1987 Adam Ingram 1 February 1947 East Kilbride 1987 2010 Simon Coombs 21 February 1947 Swindon 1983 1997 Lewis Moonie 25 February 1947 Kirkcaldy 1987 2005 Martyn Jones 1 March 1947 Clywd South West 1987 2010 Conal Gregory 11 March 1947 City of York 1983 1992 Ian Bruce 14 March 1947 South Dorset 1987 2001 Terry Dicks 17 March 1947 Hayes and Harlington 1983 1987 Roger Evans 18 March 1947 Monmouth 1992 1997 Don Foster 31 March 1947 Bath 1992 2015 Virenda Sharma 5 April 1947 Ealing Southall 2007 Inc Christopher Murphy 20 April 1947 Hatfield 1979 1987 Bernadette Devlin 23 April 1947 Mid Ulster 1969 1974 Maria Rimmer 27 April 1947 St Helens 2015 Inc Colin Breed 4 May 1947 South East Cornwall 1997 2010 John Reid 8 May 1947 Motherwell North/Hamilton/Airdre 1987 2010 Peter Brand 16 May 1947 Isle of Wight 1997 2005 David Jamieson 18 May 1947 Plymouth Devenport 1992 2005 Christopher Chope 19 May 1947 Southampton Itchen/Christchurch 1983 Inc David Blunkett 6 June 1947 Sheffield Brightside 1987 2015 Annette Brooke 7 June 1947 Poole 2001 2015 Reg Race 23 June 1947 Wood Green 1979 1983 Linda Perham 29 June 1947 Ilford North 1997 2005 Ann Taylor 2 July 1947 Bolton West then Dewsbury 1974 2005 John Spellar 5 August 1947 Birmingham/Warley 1982 Inc Jacques Arnold 27 August 1947 Gravesham 1987 1997 Michael Connarty 3 September 1947 Falkirk 1992 2015 Gerald Howarth 12 September 1947 Cannock and Burtwood/Aldershot 1983 2017 Gwilym Jones 20 September 1947 Cardiff North 1983 1997 Anne Widecombe 4 October 1947 Maidstone 1987 2010 Tim Smith 5 October 1947 Ashfield/Beaconsfield 1977 1997 Matthew Carrington 9 October 1947 Fulham 1987 1997 Richard Hickmet 1 December 1947 Glanford and Scunthorpe 1983 1987 Don Toug 5 December 1947 Islwyn 1995 2010 Roy Galley 8 December 1947 Halifax 1983 1987 Chris Mullin 12 December 1947 Sunderland 1987 2010 Jacqui Lait 16 December 1947 Hastings and Rye/Beckenham 1992 2010 Irene Adams 27 December 1947 Paisley North 1990 2005 Liz Lynne 22 January 1948 Rochdale 1992 1997 Roger Williams 22 January 1948 Brecon and Radnorshire 2001 2015 Gordon Henderson 27 January 1948 Sittingbourne and Sheppey 2010 Inc Pauline Latham 4 February 1948 Mid Derbyshire 2010 Inc Jenny Jones 8 February 1948 Wolverhampton south west 1997 2001 Alex Carlile 12 February 1948 Montgomeryshire 1983 1997 Nicholas Soames 12 February 1948 Crawley then Mid Sussex 1983 2019 John McAllion 13 February 1948 Dundee East 1987 2001 Maureen Hicks 23 February 1948 Wolverhampton North East 1987 1997 Tony Wright 11 March 1948 Cannock Chase 1992 2010 Virginia Bottomley 12 March 1948 South West Surrey 1984 2005 Roger Mullin 12 March 1948 Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath 2015 2017 Gyles Brandreth 18 March 1948 City of Chester 1992 1997 Jonathan Sayeed 20 March 1948 Bristol East then Mid Bedfordshire 1983 2005 Nigel Jones 30 March 1948 Cheltenham 1992 2005 Sue Doughty 13 April 1948 Guildford 2001 2005 David Porter 16 April 1948 Waveney 1987 1997 David Porter 16 April 1948 Waveney 1987 1997 Colin Burgon 22 April 1948 Elmet 1997 2010 Nirj Deva 11 May 1948 Brentford and Isleworth 1992 1997 Denis MacShane 21 May 1948 Rotherham 1994 2012 Kieth Darvill 28 May 1948 Upminster 1997 2001 Robert Walter 30 May 1948 North Dorset 1997 2015 Anthony Nelson 11 June 1948 Chichester 1974 1997 Henry McLeish 15 June 1948 Central Fife 1987 2001 Howard Flight 16 June 1948 Arundel and South Downs 1997 2005 John Pugh 28 June 1948 Southport 2001 2017 Stephen Pound 3 July 1948 Ealing North 1997 2019 Roger Berry 4 July 1948 Kingswood 1992 2010 Robert Cranston 23 July 1948 Dudley North 1997 2005 Bob Spink 1 August 1948 Castle Point 1992 2010 William Powell 3 August 1948 Corby 1983 1997 William McCrea 6 August 1948 Mid Ulster/South Antri, 1983 2015 Jackie Lawrence 9 August 1948 Preseli Pembrokeshire 1997 2005 Brian Donohoe 10 September 1948 Cunninghame South 1992 2015 Andy King 14 September 1948 Rugby and Kenilworth 1997 2005 Alan Simpson 20 September 1948 Nottingham South 1992 2010 Jack Dromey 29 September 1948 Birmingham Erdington 2010 Inc Gerry Adams 6 October 1948 Belfast West 1983 2011 David Hinchcliffe 14 October 1948 Wakefield 1987 2005 Stephen Day 30 October 1948 Cheadle 1987 2001 Dennis Murphy 2 November 1948 Wansbeck 1997 2010 John Heppell 3 November 1948 Nottingham East 1992 2010 Paul Murphy 25 November 1948 Torfaen 1987 2015 Ann Keen 26 November 1948 Brentford and Isleworth 1997 2010 Patricia Hewitt 2 December 1948 Leicester West 1997 2010 John Home Robertson 5 December 1948 East Lothian 1978 2001 Brian Wilson 13 December 1948 Cunninghame North 1987 2005 Patrick Nicholls 14 December 1948 Teignbridge 1983 2001 David Davis 23 December 1948 Boothferry/Haltemprice and Howden 1987 Inc Peter Soulsby 27 December 1948 Leicester South 2005 2011 Peter Robinson 29 December 1948 Belfast East 1979 2010 Eric Matthews 3 January 1949 Carlisle 1987 2010 Lindsay Roy 19 January 1949 Glenrothes 2008 2015 Joan Walley 23 January 1949 Stoke on Trent 1987 2015 Janet Dean 28 January 1949 Burton 1997 2010 Richard Ryder 4 February 1949 Mid Norfolk 1983 1997 Richard Ryder 4 February 1949 Mid Norfolk 1983 1997 Lynda Clark 26 February 1949 Edinburgh Pentlands 1997 2005 Malcolm Chisholm 7 March 1949 Edingburgh 1992 2001 Neil Hamilton 9 March 1949 Tatton 1983 1997 Robert Hayward 11 March 1949 Kingswood 1983 1992 David Mellor 12 March 1949 Putney 1979 1997 David Heathcoat Amery 21 March 1949 Wells 1983 2010 Andy Love 21 March 1949 Edmonton 1997 2015 Helen Hayeman 26 March 1949 Welwyn Hatfield 1974 1979 Keith Simpson 29 March 1949 Mid Norfolk / Broadland 1997 2019 Greg Knight 4 April 1949 Derby/East Yorkshire 1983 Inc Walter Sweeney 23 April 1949 Vale of Glamorgan 1992 1997 Jim Paice 24 April 1949 South East Cambridgeshire 1987 2015 Andrew MacKinlay 24 April 1949 Thurrock 1992 2010 Mike Watson 1 May 1949 Glasgow Central 1989 1997 Marion Fellows 5 May 1949 Motherwell and Wishaw 2015 Inc Nicholas Bennet 7 May 1949 Pembroke 1987 1992 Dianna Maddock 19 May 1949 Christchurch 1993 1997 Ieuan Wyn Jones 22 May 1949 Yns Mon 1987 2001 Jeremy Corbyn 26 May 1949 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Miracle Aligner 249 Posted May 27, 2020 While were on the subject of MPs lifespans if Ronald Atkins could make it to 105 to 106 it would help resolve the record books and overtake the record of William Badger who supposedly lived to 100 but was born before parish registers existed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alt obits guy 3,365 Posted May 28, 2020 Sam Johnson, a long-time Texas congressman and Vietnam POW, has died. He was 89. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2020/05/27/longtime-texas-congressman-sam-johnson-pow-in-vietnam-dies-at-age-89/ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alt obits guy 3,365 Posted May 28, 2020 Dr. Neville Eden Gallimore, a member of the Jamaican parliament for 30 years and former government minister, has died. He was 81. http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/news/20200528/former-government-minister-dr-neville-gallimore-has-died Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,431 Posted May 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Ulitzer95 said: Abderrahmane Youssoufi has died aged 96. He was hospitalised several days ago. I shall let @drol confirm and congratulate though. On 25/07/2019 at 18:31, drol said: *snip* *Abderrahmane Youssoufi (1924), the real Moroccan star. Goes in and out of hospital for pneumonia, still made it to 95. Human rights activist. *snip* Crossposting. Youssoufi dead at 96. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,328 Posted May 30, 2020 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8371473/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Jonathan-Aitken-77-survives-heart-attack-induced-coronavirus.html Former Conservative MP Jonathan Aitken has apparently recently suffered a heart attack caused by coronavirus at the age of 77. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,918 Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8371473/EDEN-CONFIDENTIAL-Jonathan-Aitken-77-survives-heart-attack-induced-coronavirus.html Former Conservative MP Jonathan Aitken has apparently recently suffered a heart attack caused by coronavirus at the age of 77. I share your grief at his apparent survival, GC..... "COVID - doesn't kill Conservatives." It's a strapline Cummings would be proud of! 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,397 Posted May 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I share your grief at his apparent survival, GC..... "COVID - doesn't kill Conservatives." It's a strapline Cummings would be proud of! Showed up in that Thatcher doc last year looking half fucked, I flagged him up as a sooner than later DDP hit at the time. On 03/06/2019 at 19:35, msc said: Incidentally, this new BBC 5 part Thatcher documentary. If you can stomach it (yes, we know who can and can't already), Episode 2 has a surprisingly well looking John Nott running down the first Cabinet and noting there's "only four of us breathing". Rogues gallery below: Pic 1 – Norman Lamont Pic 2 – Sean’s cuddly uncle Pic 3- A rather frail looking Shirley Williams Pic 4 – Jonathan Aitken, as seen on DDP inside 10 years Pic 5 – David Owen Pic 6 – Lord Gowrie who looked half-fucked Pic 7 – 85 year old Kenneth Baker. Will see his 90s imo. Pic 8 – Heseltine Pic 9 – Sir Norman Fowler Pic 10 – David Howell (b 1936) who looks like a current front bencher. Pic 11 – John Nott Pic 12 – Bernard Ingham On 05/06/2019 at 14:29, msc said: I tell a lie, look who showed up. Whispering like a ghost and looking frail, as you said. I know he had cancer circa 2012. This guy will be next to go though imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,328 Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, msc said: Showed up in that Thatcher doc last year looking half fucked, I flagged him up as a sooner than later DDP hit at the time. This guy will be next to go though imo. A toss up between him and Bernard Ingram is my reckoning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,918 Posted May 30, 2020 On the back of the above and without prejudice to my right to change my mind @msc, Bernard Ingham is going on my Poker Team (opens in a couple of days, the pest control people are still in, sanitising the whole complex). 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,328 Posted May 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: I share your grief at his apparent survival, GC..... "COVID - doesn't kill Conservatives." It's a strapline Cummings would be proud of! If it did kill conservatives I wouldn't put it past him to bury the bad news! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,397 Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Gooseberry Crumble said: If it did kill conservatives I wouldn't put it past him to bury the bad news! Just to note that article says the (until recently current) Lord Ogmore has died recently. As he isn't as fame seeking as most of his family, this went completely by this forum and seemingly twitter too. Also I didn't know Aitken is stepfather to Jared Harris off Mad Men. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,397 Posted May 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: A toss up between him and Bernard Ingram is my reckoning. Ingham was in such unusually charitable form for Bernard Ingham in his anecdotes I did wonder if he was burying hatchets ASAP ahead of snuffing it, but a year on he still persists. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,918 Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, msc said: Just to note that article says the (until recently current) Lord Ogmore has died recently. As he isn't as fame seeking as most of his family, this went completely by this forum and seemingly twitter too. Also I didn't know Aitken is stepfather to Jared Harris off Mad Men. Wow, Ogmore isn't even dead on the Parliamentary website! You know what Aitken's like, probably didn't wait til Ogmore was dead before having the funeral! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,397 Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, YoungWillz said: Wow, Ogmore isn't even dead on the Parliamentary website! You know what Aitken's like, probably didn't wait til Ogmore was dead before having the funeral! "I start this eulogy for my brother in law with the simple sword of truth..." 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,328 Posted May 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, msc said: Ingham was in such unusually charitable form for Bernard Ingham in his anecdotes I did wonder if he was burying hatchets ASAP ahead of snuffing it, but a year on he still persists. An interesting observation. His passing may not have happened in the timeframe that your hunch suspected but If Ingham was aware of some developments in his own health that lead him to feel he was quite time limited and thus wanted to bury hatchets?Then your point would definitely still stand and it could be a case of definitely watch this space! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
