Political Frailty

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Former Oklahoma senator Tom Coburn is dead from prostate cancer at 72:

https://oklahoman.com/article/5658847/former-us-sen-tom-coburn-dies-at-72

[drol 10,035]

On 24/02/2020 at 18:58, drol said:

Update on both Lee Teng-hui and Hau Pei-tsun:

 

*Lee Teng-hui: condition stabilized, not in imminent risk of death. Chances are in favour of recovery, once again.

*Hau Pei-tsun: remarkably stable after he suffering a "minor stroke" last April which left him with "problems with his left hand and foot, so he has to use a wheelchair". Note in April media talked about a "debilitating stroke" that left him "half-paralyzed". Very worried with his son's political career, has all his marbles. 

 

So they will escape agaiiiiin for now.

Lee Teng-hui's condition likely deteriorated according to this tribute from a close friend.

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

On 24/02/2020 at 17:58, drol said:

Update on both Lee Teng-hui and Hau Pei-tsun:

 

*Lee Teng-hui: condition stabilized, not in imminent risk of death. Chances are in favour of recovery, once again.

*Hau Pei-tsun: remarkably stable after he suffering a "minor stroke" last April which left him with "problems with his left hand and foot, so he has to use a wheelchair". Note in April media talked about a "debilitating stroke" that left him "half-paralyzed". Very worried with his son's political career, has all his marbles. 

 

So they will escape agaiiiiin for now.

Hau Pei tsun is as stable as it gets now!ie dead https://focustaiwan.tw/politics/202003300013

[Youth in Asia 1,020]

BINGO

Cummings has it.

Corona virus means corona virus dickhead

[The Old Crem 3,164]

The former Labour MP Joe Ashton has died aged 86. No word on cause of death.

[YoungWillz 18,967]

1 minute ago, The Old Crem said:

The former Labour MP Joe Ashton has died aged 86. No word on cause of death.

Local Obit: https://www.worksopguardian.co.uk/news/politics/council/former-sheffield-councillor-and-long-serving-bassetlaw-mp-dies-2522510

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1 hour ago, Youth in Asia said:

BINGO

Cummings has it.

Corona virus means corona virus dickhead

 

Imagine what the scruffy cunt will look like after two weeks of letting himself go.

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

49 minutes ago, The Quim Reaper said:

 

Imagine what the scruffy cunt will look like after two weeks of letting himself go.

It's just one week I'm afraid ! 

[drol 10,035]

18 hours ago, drol said:

Lee Teng-hui's condition likely deteriorated according to this tribute from a close friend.

Lee Teng-hui won't be informed of Hau Pei-tsun's death. Bleak....

[The Old Crem 3,164]

Long serving leftie Ted Knight dies aged 86 - seems sudden he was at a meeting last week. Maybe he died of 'it'.

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

The man who briefly became President of Syria before Bashir al Assad  took over,and was Vice President under Hafez Assad ,Abdel Halim Khaddam has died at 87 https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/former-syrian-vice-president-abdel-halim-khaddam-passes-away-in-france/

[Youth in Asia 1,020]

Bob Hasan, former Indonesian minister, convicted of corruption, and crony of Soeharto, has died of lung cancer aged 89. Since in Indonesia they are not bothering to test people for 'it' then perhaps 'it' was a contributing factor.

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

Telegraph death notice for James Ramsden aged 96. 

MP for Harrogate 1954–73, and most notably he was the last living Secretary of State for War (1963–64).

Also a WWII veteran.

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

On 24/01/2020 at 19:56, Ulitzer95 said:

As promised, a list of WWII veterans from the British establishment. Much shorter than the U.S. one, but I can't promise it's complete as there is no one "go to" to get this info. Here goes:

Royal family
*Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1921)
*Queen Elizabeth II (b. 1926)

Members of the House of Lords (includes current and former, including all hereditaries who lost seats in 1999 reform)
*9th Viscount Falmouth (b. 1919)
*21st Baron Saye and Sele (b. 1920)
*Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (b. 1921, also listed above)
*Baroness Jill Knight (b. 1923)
*Baroness Pamela Sharples (b. 1923)
*11th Earl of Elgin (b. 1924)
*Lord Tony Christopher (b. 1925)
*Lord John Eden (b. 1925)
*Lord Ted Graham (b. 1925)
*3rd Baron Wakehurst (b. 1925)
*9th Baron Walsingham (b. 1925)
*8th Marquess of Ailesbury (b. 1926)
*13th Earl of Airlie (b. 1926)

Members of Parliament
*Sir Patrick Duffy (b. 1920) Labour
*Baroness Jill Knight (b. 1923, also listed above) Conservative
*James Ramsden (b. 1923) Conservative
*Eric Cockeram (b. 1924) Conservative
*Lord John Eden (b. 1925, also listed above) Conservative
*Lord Ted Graham (b. 1925, also listed above) Labour

Only 17 names altogether 

Note: Ron Atkins (b. 1916) did not serve because of psoriasis, Lord Michael Shaw (b. 1920) because of tuberculosis.

Update on this... 2 gone in 10 days.

15 remaining.

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

29 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Telegraph death notice for James Ramsden aged 96. 

MP for Harrogate 1954–73, and most notably he was the last living Secretary of State for War (1963–64).

Also a WWII veteran.

I'm surprised he has such a small obit for  an ex cabinet minister ! 

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

2 minutes ago, CoffinLodger said:

Can we trust that obit?

Yes. What makes you think otherwise?

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

5 minutes ago, CoffinLodger said:

I'm surprised he has such a small obit for  an ex cabinet minister ! 

It's the death notice that the family have put up. Different section of a broadsheet.

The Telegraph haven't published an obit yet. That will inevitably follow...

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

16 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Yes. What makes you think otherwise?

Just todays date that's all ! I realise it's legit now but you can't be  too careful today ! 

 

I think he was the last living member of  the Mcmillan/Douglas-Home government wasn't he? 

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

James Ramsden was also the oldest, as well as the last living member of the Privy Council appointed in 1960s (he joined it in 1963!).

For anyone outside the UK – the Privy Council is a body of public officials, from Britain and the Commonwealth, that advises the Queen. Once you're on it, membership is for life with the rare exception of resignation (often due to scandal e.g. Profumo).

The earliest surviving member is now Lord John Morris (88) who was Secretary of State for Wales (74–79). He joined in 1970.

The oldest members are now Sir Stephen Brown (95), Sir Roy Beldam (95), Lord John Eden (94), the Earl of Airlie (93), the Earl of Crawford (93) and Lord Donald Ross (93) but there are 22 members aged 90+.

Other notable nonagenarian members are Lord James Mackay (92), Lord Bill Rodgers (91), Baroness Betty Boothroyd (90), Australian Speaker Ian Sinclair (90) and their Deputy PM Doug Anthony (90), Lord Douglas Hurd (90) and Mauritian PM Sir Anerood Jugnauth (90).

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

36 minutes ago, CoffinLodger said:

Just todays date that's all ! I realise it's legit now but you can't be  too careful today ! 

 

I think he was the last living member of  the Mcmillan/Douglas-Home government wasn't he? 

Not quite. Probably the last living Cabinet member. 

Lord Denham (92) was a minister in both the Macmillan and Douglas-Home Governments.

Lord John Eden (94) is now the only MP to have been elected before the 1955 UK General Election (both him and Ramdsen were elected in by-elections in 1954).

[The Old Crem 3,164]

18 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

James Ramsden was also the oldest, as well as the last living member of the Privy Council appointed in 1960s (he joined it in 1963!).

For anyone outside the UK – the Privy Council is a body of public officials, from Britain and the Commonwealth, that advises the Queen. Once you're on it, membership is for life with the rare exception of resignation (often due to scandal e.g. Profumo).

The earliest surviving member is now Lord John Morris (88) who was Secretary of State for Wales (74–79). He joined in 1970.

The oldest members are now Sir Stephen Brown (95), Sir Roy Beldam (95), Lord John Eden (94), the Earl of Airlie (93), the Earl of Crawford (93) and Lord Donald Ross (93) but there are 22 members aged 90+.

Other notable nonagenarian members are Lord James Mackay (92), Lord Bill Rodgers (91), Baroness Betty Boothroyd (90), Australian Speaker Ian Sinclair (90) and their Deputy PM Doug Anthony (90), Lord Douglas Hurd (90) and Mauritian PM Sir Anerood Jugnauth (90).

Prince Philip is still on the privy council and has been since 1951.

[CoffinLodger 1,247]

22 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Not quite. Probably the last living Cabinet member. 

Lord Denham (92) was a minister in both the Macmillan and Douglas-Home Governments.

Lord John Eden (94) is now the only MP to have been elected before the 1955 UK General Election (both him and Ramdsen were elected in by-elections in 1954).

I think Lord Denham was a whip ,not a minister, although technically I suppose that still means he was a member of the govt .

[msc 17,727]

On 09/02/2015 at 15:47, msc said:

We have a list (somewhere) of living Thatcher government types. I was wondering who was still around from governments before Thatcher. Which was the genesis of this small list.

 

Surviving members of the UK government from 1951-79. There's a lot of crossover between them, so I just listed them under their PM, with their year of birth and notable jobs for ease of access.

 

Best job title so far is "Comptroller of the Household", which sounds made up, but is apparently an important government dogsbody role.

 

 

 

Churchill (1951-55)

Lord Carrington b. 1919 (Food PPS, 1951-4, Defence 1954-6)

 

 

 

Anthony Eden (1955-7)

Lord Carrington b. 1919 (Defence 1954-6)

 

 

 

Harold MacMillan (1957-63)

Lord Carrington b. 1919 (First Lord of the Admiralty 1959-63)

Edward du Cann b. 1924 (Economic Secretary 1962-3)

James Ramsden b 1923 (Undersecretary of War 1960-3)

Lord Denham b. 1927 (Lords Whip, 1960-4)

Sir Robin Chichester-Clark b. 1928 (Treasury Lord 1960-1, Comptroller of the Household 1961-4)

 

 

 

Alec Douglas Home (1963-4)

Lord Carrington b. 1919 (Minister without Portfolio, Leader of House of Lords 63-64)

Edward du Cann b. 1924 (Minster, Board of Trade 1963-4)

James Ramsden b. 1923 (War Secretary, 1963-4)

Lord Denham b. 1927 (Lords Whip 1960-4)

Sir Robin Chichester-Clark b. 1928 (Comptroller of the Household 1961-4)

 

 

 

Harold Wilson (1964-70)

William Howie b. 1924 (Comptroller 1967-8)

Dick Taverne b. 1928 (Home Office Minister 1966-8, Financial Secretary 1969-70)

Lord Chalfont b. 1919 (Foreign Office Minister 1964-70)

Elystan Morgan b. 1932 (Undersecretary, Home Office 1968-70)

Denis Healey b. 1917 (Defence Sec, 1964-70)

Ivor Richard b. 1932 (Army Secretary, 1969-70)

Roy Hattersley b. 1932 (Labour Minister, 1967-9, Deputy Defence Minister 1969-70)

Roy Mason b. 1924 (Postmaster General 1968, President Board of Trade 1969-70)

Ernest Davies b. 1926 (PPS Technology 1969-70)

John Morris b. 1931 (PPS Power 1964-66, PPS Transport 1966-8, Equipment Defence, 1968-70)

Ted Rowlands b. 1940 (Undersecretary of Wales 1969-70)

David Owen b. 1938 (Undersecretary of the Navy 1968-70)

Shirley Williams b. 1939 (PPS Housing 1966-7, Minister Education 1967-9, Minister Home Affairs 1969-70)

Bill Rodgers b. 1928 (Trade Minister 1968-9)

 

 

 

 

Ted Heath (1970-4)

Lord Carrington b. 1919 (Energy 1974)

Lord Denham b. 1927 (Lords Whip 1970-4)

Sir Robin Chichester-Clark b. 1928 (Employment Minister)

Lord Alexander (Shane) b. 1935 (Lord in Waiting)

Grey Gowrie b. 1939 (Lord in Waiting)

Anthony Grant b. 1925 (Trade Minister 1970-4)

Sir Geoffrey Howe b. 1926 (Solicitor General 1970-2, Trade Minister 1972-4)

Teddy Taylor b. 1937 (Undersecretary Scotland 1970-1, 1974)

John Eden b. 1925 (Minister Industry 1970-2, Minister Posts and Telecommunications 1972-4)

Keith Speed b. 1934 (Treasury Lord 1971-3, Undersecretary Environment 1972-4)

Michael Heseltine b. 1933 (Undersecretary Environment 1970-2, Aerospace Minister 1972-4, PPS Transport 1970)

David Howell b. 1936 (PPS Civil Service 1970-2, Treasury Lord 1970-1, Undersecretary Employment 1971-2, Energy Minster 1974, N Ireland Minister 1972-4)

Dudley Smith b. 1926 (Minister Employment 1970-4)

Lord Strathcona b. 1923 (Undersecretary Air Force 1974, Lord in Waiting 1973)

Lord Balniel b. 1927 (Minister Defence 1970-2, Minister Foreign 1972-4)

Kenneth Clarke b. 1940 (Treasury Lord 1974)

Michael Jopling b. 1930 (Treasury Lord 1973-4)

Hugh Rossi b. 1927 (Treasury Lord 1972-4, Undersecretary Environment 1974)

Reginald Eyre b. 1924 Comptroller of the Householder 1970, Treasury Lord 1970, Undersecretary Environment 1972-4)

Patrick Jenkin b. 1926 (Financial Secretary 1970-2, Energy Minister 1974)

John Nott b. 1932 (Treasury Minister 1972-4)

Terence Higgins b. 1928 (Financial Secretary 1972-4)

Jim Prior b. 1927 (Minister Agriculture 1970-2, Leader of House of Commons 1972-4)

Kenneth Baker b. 1934 (PPS Civil Service 1972-4)

 

 

 

Harold Wilson (1974-6)

Denis Healey b. 1917 (Chancellor 1974-9)

Roy Hattersley b. 1932 (Foreign Minister 1974-6)

Roy Mason b. 1924 (Defence 1974-6)

John Morris b. 1931 (Wales 1974-9)

Ted Rowlands b. 1940 (Undersecretary of Wales 1974-5, Foreign Office Minister 1975-6)

David Owen b. 1938 (Health Minister 1974-6)

Shirley Williams b. 1930 (Consumer Protection 1974-6)

Bill Rodgers b. 1928 (Defence Minister 1974-6)

John McCluskey b. 1929 (Solicitor General of Scotland 1974-9)

Ronald King Murray b. 1922 (Lord Advocate 1974-9)

Arthur Davidson b. 1928 (PPS Attorney General 1974-9)

Barry Jones b. 1938 (Undersecretary Wales 1974-9)

Eric Deakins b. 1932 (Trade Minister 1974-6)

Stanley Clinton-Davis b. 1928 (Trade Minister 1974-6)

Robert Hughes b. 1932 (Undersecretary Scotland 1974-5)

John Smith b. 1930 (Scotland Minister 1975-8)

Robert Maclennan b. 1936 (Undersecretary Consumer Protection 1974-9)

Lord Melchett b. 1948 (Undersecretary Industry 1975-6)

Michael Meacher b. 1939 (Undersecretary Industry 1974-5, Undersecretary Health 1975-9)

Roland Moyle b. 1928 (Minister N Ireland 1974-6)

Gerald Kaufman b. 1930 (Undersecretary Environment 1974-5, Minister Industry 1975-6)

Margaret Beckett b. 1943 (Whip, 1975)

Gavin Strang b. 1943 (Undersecretary Energy 1974-6)

Shirley Summerskill b. 1931 (Home Minister 1974-9)

John Tomlinson b. 1939 (Harold Wilsons PPS, 1974-6)

Frank Judd b. 1935 (Navy Minister 1974-6)

Edward Graham b. 1925 (PPS Consumer Protection 1974-6)

Tom Cox b. 1930 (Whip, 1974-9)

David Stoddart b. 1926 (Whip 1975-8)

 

 

 

 

Jim Callaghan (1976-79)

Denis Healey b. 1917 (Chancellor 1974-9)

Bill Rodgers b. 1928 (Transport 1976-9)

Roy Hattersley b. 1932 (Prices and Consumer Protection 1976-9)

Roy Mason b. 1924 (Northern Ireland 1976-9)

John Morris b. 1931 (Wales 1974-9)

Ted Rowlands b. 1940 (Foreign Office Minister 1976-9)

David Owen b. 1938 (Foreign Sec 1977-9)

Shirley Williams b. 1930 (Education 1976-9)

John McCluskey b. 1929 (Solicitor General of Scotland 1974-9)

Ronald King Murray b. 1922 (Lord Advocate 1974-9)

Arthur Davidson b 1928 (PPS Attorney General 1974-9)

Barry Jones b. 1938 (Undersecretary Wales 1974-9)

John Horam b. 1939 (Undersecretary Transport 1976-9)

Eric Deakins b. 1932 (Minister DHSS 1976-9)

Stanley Clinton-Davis b. 1928 (Trade Minister 1974-9)

John Smith b. 1930 (Scotland Minister 1975-8)

Robert Maclennan b. 1936 (Undersecretary Consumer Protection 1974-9)

Raymond Carter b. 1935 (N Ireland minster 1975-9)

Les Huckfield b. 1942 (Undersecretary Industry 1976-9)

Lord Melchett b. 1948 (Minister, N Ireland)

Michael Meacher b. 1939 (Undersecretary Health 1975-9)

Roland Moyle b. 1928 (Minister Health, 1976-9)

Gerald Kaufman b. 1930 (Industry Minister 1976-9)

Jack Cunningham b. 1939 (Undersecretary Energy 1976-9)

Margaret Beckett b. 1943 (Undersecretary Education 1976-9)

Patrick Duffy b. 1920 (Undersecretary Navy 1976-9)

Gavin Strang b. 1943 (Undersecretary Agriculture 1976-9)

Shirley Summerskill b. 1931 (Home Minister 1974-9)

John Tomlinson b. 1939 (Undersecretary Foreign Office 1976-9)

Frank Judd b. 1935 (Minister Foreign 1977-9, Overseas Development Minister 1976-7)

Peter Snape b. 1942 (Treasury Lord 1977-9)

Edward Graham b. 1925 (Whip, 1976-9)

Tom Cox b. 1930 (Whip, 1974-9)

David Stoddart b. 1926 (Whip 1975-8)

Tom Pendry b. 1934 (Treasury Lord 1976-9, Undersecretary N Ireland)

Denzil Davies b. 1938 (Treasury Minister 1976-9)

Robert Sheldon b. 1923 (Financial Secretary 1976-9)

 

Here's my 2015 list of anyone who held a government post under the various governments updated to reflect the shitloads of them who died since. I really should update it to include Thatcher and Major and even Blair at some point now their government ministers are getting into their 70s and older and dying...

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

42 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Prince Philip is still on the privy council and has been since 1951.

You're quite right, I forgot to mention he was the exception.

[Ulitzer95 10,973]

28 minutes ago, msc said:

 

Here's my 2015 list of anyone who held a government post under the various governments updated to reflect the shitloads of them who died since. I really should update it to include Thatcher and Major and even Blair at some point now their government ministers are getting into their 70s and older and dying...

That's a brilliant list!

I think the Thatcher years makes sense now, maybe even the Major Gov. But with Blair you'd be giving yourself a huge task, particularly because of the size he inflated the Government to and how long it lasted for. Vast majority of them are still about.