Rishi Sunak

[Youth in Asia 1,023]

Well I think he's the best PM since Blair

[Youth in Asia 1,023]

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[Sly Ronnie 616]

21 minutes ago, Youth in Asia said:

Well I think he's the best PM since Blair

 

A pretty low bar it must be said.

[msc 17,762]

I think that's harsh on Gordon Brown and even Theresa May tbh. 

 

Fair enough on Cameron, Johnson and Truss though. 

 

I remember when I used to look at that 20 year period of Hayes/Garfield/Arthur/Cleveland/Harrison/McKinley for US Presidents and think its a real low when Chester A Arthur was your best President in 20 years.  (OK, its not Garfield's fault he got shot almost instantly but it did sort of kill his list of achievements in office!)

 

How little did I know of the future...

[Deathrace 1,099]

7 minutes ago, msc said:

I think that's harsh on Gordon Brown and even Theresa May tbh. 

 

Fair enough on Cameron, Johnson and Truss though. 

 

I remember when I used to look at that 20 year period of Hayes/Garfield/Arthur/Cleveland/Harrison/McKinley for US Presidents and think its a real low when Chester A Arthur was your best President in 20 years.  (OK, its not Garfield's fault he got shot almost instantly but it did sort of kill his list of achievements in office!)

 

How little did I know of the future...

The worst period of successive US Presidents was 1848-60:

Taylor - uncouth slave owner

Fillmore - nativistic waste of space

Pierce - alcoholic supporter of slavery 

Buchanan - ineffective President incapable of making a decision who paved the way for the Civil War 

[msc 17,762]

2 minutes ago, Deathrace said:

The worst period of successive US Presidents was 1848-60:

Taylor - uncouth slave owner

Fillmore - nativistic waste of space

Pierce - alcoholic supporter of slavery 

Buchanan - ineffective President incapable of making a decision who paved the way for the Civil War 

So between James K Polk and Teddy Roosevelt, you had 2 good Presidents (Lincoln, Grant) in about 50 years. Well that makes me feel even better about the precedent!

[Deathrace 1,099]

Just now, msc said:

So between James K Polk and Teddy Roosevelt, you had 2 good Presidents (Lincoln, Grant) in about 50 years. Well that makes me feel even better about the precedent!

Grant ran incredibly corrupt administrations but was ok politically, eg opposed slavery and supported civil rights. 

[TQR 12,180]

2 hours ago, Youth in Asia said:

Well I think he's the best PM since Blair

 

He's an AI generation formed from a lacklustre prompt written by an incompetent fascist on a major comedown.

 

Thank your fucky stars you're (apparently) several thousand miles away from the spineless, lying, disconnected, apathetic, incapable, insensitive, uninspiring, robotic little prick.

[Youth in Asia 1,023]

17 hours ago, TQR said:

 

He's an AI generation formed from a lacklustre prompt written by an incompetent fascist on a major comedown.

 

Thank your fucky stars you're (apparently) several thousand miles away from the spineless, lying, disconnected, apathetic, incapable, insensitive, uninspiring, robotic little prick.

Well yes, but he is still the best one since Blair. Especially Theresa May with her citizens of nowhere speech, I despise that woman with a passion

[TQR 12,180]

14 minutes ago, Youth in Asia said:

Well yes, but he is still the best one since Blair. Especially Theresa May with her citizens of nowhere speech, I despise that woman with a passion

I agree that May was awful; she was an unbelievably shit Home Secretary, worse than she was as PM. As PM, she’s done the least harm of the 5 recent Tories (possibly because she spent most of it in stalemate with the Brexit loons) and she at least demonstrated the tiniest, tiniest hint of respect for standards and integrity.

 

Personally I’ve got more gripes with Blair than with Brown. There’s no way Sunak is better than Brown.

[msc 17,762]

4 minutes ago, TQR said:

I agree that May was awful; she was an unbelievably shit Home Secretary, worse than she was as PM. As PM, she’s done the least harm of the 5 recent Tories (possibly because she spent most of it in stalemate with the Brexit loons) and she at least demonstrated the tiniest, tiniest hint of respect for standards and integrity.

 

Personally I’ve got more gripes with Blair than with Brown.

Oh don't get me wrong, not a fan of Theresa May at all. Horrendous authoritarian streak. Complete lack of pragmatism and us v them approach killed any chance in brexit negotiations etc etc. But I still think the little things she got done like beefing up domestic violence laws and signing up the UK to the ban on trading ivory are still better than anything Sunak has achieved in office. 

 

Whereas I do like Gordon Brown. Stopped a worldwide depression (don't @ me with your George Osborne takes), giant as Chancellor, with redistribution of money to the poorest probably the most successful socialist we've had since Wilson. If he lacked the tools to be a great leader, like say Anthony Eden and Jim Callaghan before him, he still managed to do his best for Britain when on the spot in a crisis. And I can't see that smug git Osborne on the TV without thinking he still advocates for having let the UK banking system collapse, the financially illiterate shithead.

 

Blair? Well there's a point. Even if we don't like him, he surrounded himself with politicians of talent who could get shit done. Brown, Prescott, Cook, Dobson etc. Who does Sunak surrounded himself with? A cabinet with less talent to deal with the big issues than your average school class of six year olds.

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On this debate, I'd agree that May and Brown, while being contemporaneously considered to be utterly useless will be viewed more positively through the long lens of history. May was a robotic performer, the architect of the whole "hostile environment" campaign at the Home Office and was not a good team player. That said, I give her kudos for the things @msc mentioned above, as well as the fact that she at least tried to act responsibly when it came to Brexit and refused to give in to the whackjobs who were hell bent on No Deal. Her inability to form any kind of consensus around an alternative meant she was hamstrung from the outset, but maybe that was inevitable as she was a Remainer in the referendum.

 

Gordon Brown's legacy has been trashed by the charlatans who followed him into office, the ones who were claiming they'd be far more radical and spend more than Labour in 2007, then suddenly accused Labour of playing fast and loose with the public finances in 2008. He was not good at PR, but he was very intelligent and interested in policy (remember when we had politicians who were interested in governing?) and was instrumental in avoiding complete financial meltdown in 2008, a fact recognised in both Europe and the USA. He would have been an excellent President of the IMF, but Cameron was never going to allow that to happen as it would completely undermine his narrative that Labour ruined the economy.

 

As suggested, Blair was an excellent communicator and a superb manager who broadly let his departments get on with it, run by competent ministers who largely stayed in post for extended periods of time (what a novelty!). His legacy was ruined by Iraq and being in thrall of George W. Bush and obsessed by the War on Terror. Had 9/11 not happened, he could have gone down as one of the greats and potentially been truly transformative.

 

Least said about Cameron, Johnson and Truss, the better. Sunak is very much in the same vein though: soundbites, lack of substance, opportunistic, divisive and surrounds himself by incompetent sycophants. The sooner we get rid of this mob the better.

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Thinking of May, makes you wonder what would have happened in British politics if she got the thumping majority she was predicted to get when she called the snap election in 2017.

[YoungWillz 19,099]

Been watching this man over the last few days.

 

In India. Hugs Modi and looks forward to a trade deal with India )how long has this been promised?). But will not even broach the subject of Russia.

 

Talks about the close relationship the UK and India has - true,Rishi, you do know we pillaged that country for decades as part of the Empire? Talks about how the UK welcomed his parents to this country. Just to remind you once again Rishi, under current rules your family could rot where they live and would never come to the UK.

 

Terrorist suspect escapes from prison. So what does Sunak do? Can't talk about it as there is an investigation. But he plays the Bawjaws card and picks up the phone to Zelenskyy. Puts out a breathtaking statement that a terrorist suspect is not a danger to the public.

 

Terrorist suspect recaptured. Police and public have done a great job, he says. But what does he have to say about the prison service who highlighted the problems with staffing and pay, or the conditions in the prison? Nothing.

 

Now the greatest of all. He was due to attend a UN Climate Change summit - all PM's do this. But he's not going, as he was going to be snubbed and sidelined due to his policy failures on amibition for climate change. So he's sending Cleverly and Dowden - so they can be snubbed and sidelined instead of him. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/09/rishi-sunak-avoiding-un-climate-summit-over-potential-rejection

 

This utter twat needs to go.

[YoungWillz 19,099]

"I am the very model of the First Lord of the Treasury,

I haven't done a thing that doesn't benefit me personally,

My wife held loads of shares in a some childcare companies, 

And when I gave them money I 'forgot' to tell the authorities!

 

I want to send the illegals on a plane bound for Rwanda,

Just like back when Tories did when they sent the Scots to Canada,

I watch as people drown as they try to cross the Channel,

And as I do, I stand back and give to folks my political flannel!

 

The hospitals and schools are crumbling all about my people's ears, 

I wonder if they recognise I haven't done a thing in years,

And while I remain aloof, 

The prices all go through the roof,

And still they can't see I am a goof,

I am the very model of the First Lord of the Treasury!"

[maryportfuncity 10,017]

On 09/09/2023 at 12:29, YoungWillz said:

Been watching this man over the last few days.

 

In India. Hugs Modi and looks forward to a trade deal with India )how long has this been promised?). But will not even broach the subject of Russia.

 

Talks about the close relationship the UK and India has - true,Rishi, you do know we pillaged that country for decades as part of the Empire? Talks about how the UK welcomed his parents to this country. Just to remind you once again Rishi, under current rules your family could rot where they live and would never come to the UK.

 

Terrorist suspect escapes from prison. So what does Sunak do? Can't talk about it as there is an investigation. But he plays the Bawjaws card and picks up the phone to Zelenskyy. Puts out a breathtaking statement that a terrorist suspect is not a danger to the public.

 

Terrorist suspect recaptured. Police and public have done a great job, he says. But what does he have to say about the prison service who highlighted the problems with staffing and pay, or the conditions in the prison? Nothing.

 

Now the greatest of all. He was due to attend a UN Climate Change summit - all PM's do this. But he's not going, as he was going to be snubbed and sidelined due to his policy failures on amibition for climate change. So he's sending Cleverly and Dowden - so they can be snubbed and sidelined instead of him. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/09/rishi-sunak-avoiding-un-climate-summit-over-potential-rejection

 

This utter twat needs to go.

 

 

Had this chat hereabouts a while back - strikes me Rishi is the first PM  in history to take the job on thinking it a step along the way to another career - like possibly back into banking/finance and hugely well paid jobs for global companies. 'bout a year to the next election, maybe a respectable year or so after that positioning himself whilst he also makes it look like he gives a shit about his constituents (assuming he'll cruise back in in safe Toryland whilst also being ousted as leader when the scale of the defeat makes this inevitable) after which Goldman Sachs or some such make him a massive offer. 

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This is photoshopped, surely

 

[TQR 12,180]

How many people voted for Rishi Sunak? Net Zero.

 

General fucking Election now.

[YoungWillz 19,099]

"Now here's the thing.

 

My party has been utterly shite at climate change. But there's an election coming up. So all the targets that my party has set - well, I'm getting rid of those.

 

I know, I know, I have spent hundreds of millions of pounds - your pounds, your taxpayers' money - subsiding the moves towards the targets I have binned. Well, that's life isn't it? Truth is, my wife hasn't quite been able to get all the shares we need in the renewables sector, so we, as a family, require a little more time to finalise those.

 

I mean, climate change is a reality, isn't it? But there I am leading from the front. By leading the retreat. Personally, I'd rather not have to face the true cost of climate change. But if my grandchildren - and let's not forget, your grandchildren - have to die before their time, they have to die. These are the tough, long term choices we all have to make.

 

Anyway, I have a manifesto to look through. Bye for now."

[msc 17,762]

10 minutes ago, time said:

This is photoshopped, surely

 

Alongside these imaginary government policies he's abandoned, he's also stopping the cull of unicorns, banning time travel for kids, and ending the war with the Martians. What a guy.

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On point 3 Rishi, missed the boat on that one - 

• 1 glass
• 2 garden waste
• 3 dry recycling (paper, card, cans etc.)
• 4 batteries
• 5 textiles
• 6 food waste
• 7 everything else.

OK, maybe it's not compulsory, but it's strongly encouraged where available.

[YoungWillz 19,099]

If anyone wants to sit through the whole Sunak/Truss debate again and listen to the utter bollocks both have spouted with the benefit of hindsight, knock yourself out.

 

Here however is what Rishi in particular had to say about climate change and recycling - very for loads of bins just over a year ago:

 

 

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8 hours ago, time said:

On point 3 Rishi, missed the boat on that one - 

• 1 glass
• 2 garden waste
• 3 dry recycling (paper, card, cans etc.)
• 4 batteries
• 5 textiles
• 6 food waste
• 7 everything else.

OK, maybe it's not compulsory, but it's strongly encouraged where available.

 

We have separate ones for paper/card and tins/plastic (bottles only!)

We have to take batteries to the supermarket or wherever though, no kerbside service.

Also we have to PAY if we want garden waste collected.

 

 

[TQR 12,180]

The seven deadly bins are now banned, despite it not being policy.

The tax on meat is banned, despite it not being policy.

Forced car-sharing is banned, despite it not being policy.

 

This is a great idea. Ban all the things that weren’t a thing anyway. If he rules that three-headed dogs are banned from mauling unicorns next he secures my vote.

[TQR 12,180]

All this is going down really badly with all the lefty snowflake eco-zealot anti-growth coalition wokerati blob. Like, er, Zac Goldsmith.