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Shadow DeathList Competition 2023

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My entry.

 

Rolf Harris

Wilhelm Buesing

Henry Kissinger

Jules Walter

Bas de Gaay Fortman

Douglas Hurd

Norman Tebbit

Rhod Gilbert

Bob Barker

Joan Morecambe

Rob Burrow

Harry Belafonte

Sir Michael A. Epstein

Andrés García

James Whale

Clive Revill

Tony Bennett

Rosey Grier

Frank Field

Shane MacGowan

Roberta Flack

Jeanette Lee

John Astin

Bill Cobbs

Rosalynn Carter

Ted Kaczynski

Jean-Marie Le Pen

Glynis Johns

Khamtai Siphandon(e)

Jon Rumney

William Russell

Brian Murphy

Joanne Woodward

Franco Migliacci

Norman Lear

Jacques Delors

Milan Kundera

Andy Taylor

Harry Whittington

James D. Watson

Pope Francis

Pervez Musharraf

Hazel McCallion

Constantine II

Jimmy Carter

Dikembe Mutombo

Bill Roache

James Earl Jones. 

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Constantine II is a hit here 

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1 minute ago, Pop_Zeus said:

Constantine II is a hit here 

Constantine II also a hit for me too! 

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Just now, Steve said:

Constantine II also a hit for me too! 


He’s not one for me, just thought it would interest some people. Still waiting my first point 

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I bet Gina Lollobrigida is a hit for some 

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1 hour ago, Pop_Zeus said:

I bet Gina Lollobrigida is a hit for some 

Yup, she's a hit for me, my first one this year!

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Lucile Randon, who survived a bout with Covid-19 thus becoming the oldest known survivor of the Covid-19 pandemic as well as being the oldest person in the world before her passing, is a hit for me here.

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I was looking over my list and realized I accidentally made a typo. Shortly afterwards, I noticed a few more mistakes:

 

38 - John Voight -> Jon Voight (misspelled)

29 - Raul Castro -> Raúl Castro (missing diatrics)

39 - Refrigerator Perry -> William "Refrigerator" Perry (added nickname)

32 - Harrison Ruffin Tyler (grandson of former U.S. president John Tyler) -> Harrison Ruffin Tyler (no need for specifics)

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Was asked to post my lineup to the forum, so here it is:

1.       Alan Bennett

2.       Rolf Harris

3.       Walter Mirisch

4.       Bernadette Chirac

5.       Bill Hayden (Aussie politician)

6.       Bob Barker

7.       Carmen Sevilla

8.       Carolyn Bryant Donham

9.       Chaim Topol

10.   David Graham

11.   Denny Crum

12.   Dikembe Mutombo

13.   Doyle Brunson

14.   Ella Jenkins

15.   Francoise Hardy

16.   Frank Field

17.   Frank McGarvey

18.   Fred Lorenzen

19.   George Alagiah

20.   Gianluca Vialli 

21.   James Watson (Nobel winner)

22.   James Whale

23.   Janey Godley 

24.   Jeanette Lee

25.   Jimmy Carter

26.   Johnny Ruffo

27.   Jonnie Irwin

28.   Jose Maria Marin

29.   Khamtai Siphandon

30.   Larry Pressler

31.   Malachy McCourt

32.   Michael Tilson Thomas

33.   Parnelli Jones

34.   Perez Musharraf

35.   Antonio Gala

36.   Rob Burrow

37.   Robert Blake 

38.   Ryuichi Sakamoto

39.   Sepp Blatter

40.   Shannen Doherty

41.   Sidney Cooke

42.   Steve McMichael

43.   Ted Kaczynski

44.   Ted Turner

45.   Tim Keller

46.   Victor Orena

47.   Violeta Chamorro

48.   William Russell

49.   Yoko Ono

50.   Zhu Rongji

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On 18/01/2023 at 21:52, theoldlady said:

Lucile Randon, who survived a bout with Covid-19 thus becoming the oldest known survivor of the Covid-19 pandemic as well as being the oldest person in the world before her passing, is a hit for me here.

Just been on holiday so haven't been paying much attention to this forum, coming back soon :) 

 

Under the rules and guidelines: Candidates cannot be famous solely for the fact they are likely to die imminently - this includes people famous only for their advanced age. 

 

Probably the rule I would be strongest on. I don't believe Lucile Randon would be famous for anything other than her advanced age. 

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14 hours ago, John Key said:

Just been on holiday so haven't been paying much attention to this forum, coming back soon :) 

 

Under the rules and guidelines: Candidates cannot be famous solely for the fact they are likely to die imminently - this includes people famous only for their advanced age. 

 

Probably the rule I would be strongest on. I don't believe Lucile Randon would be famous for anything other than her advanced age. 

That is sad since she was extremely famous; she was accepted in the Derby Deadpool as well. She also has her own Wikipedia page, had been in several documentaries and has a qualifying obit. Does my sub. Pervez Musharraf move up? He is the sub. on my Shadow List. See my list in my signature below. I used my actual Shadow List for this competition.

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On 23/01/2023 at 20:22, theoldlady said:

That is sad since she was extremely famous; she was accepted in the Derby Deadpool as well. She also has her own Wikipedia page, had been in several documentaries and has a qualifying obit. Does my sub. Pervez Musharraf move up? He is the sub. on my Shadow List. See my list in my signature below. I used my actual Shadow List for this competition.

You provided 4 subs  with Pervez as your highest sub, and they would move up as appropriate. If a sub passes away I will usually just tag you to make that argument at the time rather than constantly moving everyones names up. 

 

On your points for Lucile Randon, what was the subject matter of her wikipedia page and several documentaries? Was it only her advanced age? If it wasn't about her advanced age, was she made famous from them? You can make this argument and defend your pick if you think that she is famous enough in her own right outside of her advanced age. 

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On 24/01/2023 at 09:02, John Key said:

You provided 4 subs  with Pervez as your highest sub, and they would move up as appropriate. If a sub passes away I will usually just tag you to make that argument at the time rather than constantly moving everyones names up. 

 

On your points for Lucile Randon, what was the subject matter of her wikipedia page and several documentaries? Was it only her advanced age? If it wasn't about her advanced age, was she made famous from them? You can make this argument and defend your pick if you think that she is famous enough in her own right outside of her advanced age. 

I have read and seen interviews with her about her longevity and her life - she was about 40 before she became a nun. She worked long after retirement age taking care of others. It is unique that someone was so active in extreme old age. However, all this aside, it does only seem to be about her activities in old age, her being the oldest known «Survivor of Covid 19» and her career as the oldest working nun. She has been included in research about longevity and possible reasons for it, but she did not write the research articles herself (my French is just so-so, so hopefully I did not miss anything out there).

 

So it looks like, if it is ok, to move Pervez to my list and not count Miss Randon as a qualified pick/hit?
 

 

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This competition is getting a little bit big for me! Blessings to the people who make Deadpooling look easy. Hopefully now this'll just be a bit of maintenance. Might have a drink before I go to sleep. 

 

On 25/01/2023 at 20:00, theoldlady said:

So it looks like, if it is ok, to move Pervez to my list and not count Miss Randon as a qualified pick/hit?

Done. 

 

On 22/01/2023 at 03:33, polar duck said:

I was looking over my list and realized I accidentally made a typo. Shortly afterwards, I noticed a few more mistakes:

 

38 - John Voight -> Jon Voight (misspelled)

29 - Raul Castro -> Raúl Castro (missing diatrics)

39 - Refrigerator Perry -> William "Refrigerator" Perry (added nickname)

32 - Harrison Ruffin Tyler (grandson of former U.S. president John Tyler) -> Harrison Ruffin Tyler (no need for specifics)

Done. 

 

On 22/01/2023 at 05:05, Salmon Mousse said:

Was asked to post my lineup to the forum, so here it is:

1.       Alan Bennett

2.       Rolf Harris

3.       Walter Mirisch

4.       Bernadette Chirac

5.       Bill Hayden (Aussie politician)

6.       Bob Barker

7.       Carmen Sevilla

8.       Carolyn Bryant Donham

9.       Chaim Topol

10.   David Graham

11.   Denny Crum

12.   Dikembe Mutombo

13.   Doyle Brunson

14.   Ella Jenkins

15.   Francoise Hardy

16.   Frank Field

17.   Frank McGarvey

18.   Fred Lorenzen

19.   George Alagiah

20.   Gianluca Vialli 

21.   James Watson (Nobel winner)

22.   James Whale

23.   Janey Godley 

24.   Jeanette Lee

25.   Jimmy Carter

26.   Johnny Ruffo

27.   Jonnie Irwin

28.   Jose Maria Marin

29.   Khamtai Siphandon

30.   Larry Pressler

31.   Malachy McCourt

32.   Michael Tilson Thomas

33.   Parnelli Jones

34.   Perez Musharraf

35.   Antonio Gala

36.   Rob Burrow

37.   Robert Blake 

38.   Ryuichi Sakamoto

39.   Sepp Blatter

40.   Shannen Doherty

41.   Sidney Cooke

42.   Steve McMichael

43.   Ted Kaczynski

44.   Ted Turner

45.   Tim Keller

46.   Victor Orena

47.   Violeta Chamorro

48.   William Russell

49.   Yoko Ono

50.   Zhu Rongji

This is fine. I'm going to assume some kind of communication error / language barrier and accept your posting because you're a good competitive Deathlister ;;; and accept it for my own sanity. I will spend a few minutes noting the changes you've made, incase if any scrutiny comes from them. 

 

Changes
Fresh: Rolf Harris

Subs upped: Walter Mirisch, Antonio Gala

 

Original list you sent in 2022: 

 

Salmon Mousse:

1.   Alan Bennett

2.   Anita Pointer

3.   Barbara Walters

4.   Bernadette Chirac

5.   Bill Hayden (Aussie politician)

6.   Bob Barker

7.   Carmen Sevilla

8.   Carolyn Bryant Donham

9.   Chaim Topol

10.   David Graham

11.   Denny Crum

12.   Dikembe Mutombo

13.   Doyle Brunson

14.   Ella Jenkins

15.   Francoise Hardy

16.   Frank Field

17.   Frank McGarvey

18.   Fred Lorenzen

19.   George Alagiah

20.   Gianluca Vialli

21.   James Watson (Nobel winner)

22.   James Whale

23.   Janey Godley

24.   Jeanette Lee

25.   Jimmy Carter

26.   Johnny Ruffo

27.   Jonnie Irwin

28.   Jose Maria Marin

29.   Khamtai Siphandon

30.   Larry Pressler

31.   Malachy McCourt

32.   Michael Tilson Thomas

33.   Parnelli Jones

34.   Perez Musharraf

35.   Pope Benedict XVI

36.   Rob Burrow

37.   Robert Blake

38.   Ryuichi Sakamoto

39.   Sepp Blatter

40.   Shannen Doherty

41.   Sidney Cooke

42.   Steve McMichael

43.   Ted Kaczynski

44.   Ted Turner

45.   Tim Keller

46.   Victor Orena

47.   Violeta Chamorro

48.   William Russell

49.   Yoko Ono

50.   Zhu Rongji

 

SUBS

Walter Mirisch

Antonio Gala

Mike Sertich

Slim Borgudd

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The likelyhood of mistakes is higher because I'm doing a whole months worth of names at once - corrections are very much welcome, I'll try and be as careful as I can. This log is kept to make corrections and fixes easy! 

 

Fay Weldon*

grimgrass 0+1

theoldlady 0+1

six feet blunder 0+1

Bibliogryphon 0+1

 

Frank McGarvey*

Book 0+1

gcreptile 0+1

Famous6Eva 0+1

Windsor 0+1

 

Gianluca Vialli*

Doorslammer 0+1

Book 1+1

Diego 0+1

gcreptile 1+1

philip 0+1

Grimgrass 1+1

_floydylan_ 0+1

Nick 0+1

Death Duke 0+1

Murdoc, Hell, MariNisia, MrShadrak, The Daredevil, The Old Crem, CaptainChorizo, Thatcher 0+1

BuffaloPhil, tracy, Redrumours, wannamaker, TQR, 0+1

Famous6Eva, theoldlady, Windsor 1+1

DeathBecomesThem, Dying Probably, Clarence, LizLemon 0+1

 

Dick Savitt

Gooseberry Crumble 0+1

 

Carole Cook

WinterCake 0+1

Etushispushingupdaisies 0+1

markb4 0+1

 

Gina Lollobrigida

Nick 1+1

Johnnas 0+1

Zsa Zsa's leg 0+1

MariNisia 1+1

MrShadrak 1+1

CaptainChorizo  1+1

Thatcher 1+1

BuffaloPhil 1+1

markb4 1+1

DeathBecomesThem 1+1

WEP 0+1

earl 0+1

 

David Crosby

MortalCaso 0+1

@Gooseberry Crumble your third sub

Etushispushingupdaisies 1+1

dimreaper  0+1

Clarence 1+1

 

Yoon Jeong-hee

CaptainChorizo 2+1

 

Constantine II

Doorslammer 1+1

Diego 1+1

philip 1+1

Grimgrass 2+1

Nick 2+1

Murdoc 1+1

TheDaredevil 1+1

The Old Crem 1+1

John Key - my first sub

tracy - 1+1

wannamaker 1+1

Windsor 2+1

WEP 1+1

earl 1+1

@Joltin Joe - your first sub

Steve - 0+1

Charles De Gaulle - 0+1

TheSpinosaurus 0+1

When The 0+1

Summer in Transylvania 0+1

 

Fixes

Salmon Mousse 0+1 

(Gianluca Vialli)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scoreboard:

Grimgrass 3/50

Windsor 3/50

Nick 3/50

CaptainChorizo 3/50

theoldlady 2/50

BuffaloPhil 2/50

tracy 2/50

MrShadrak 2/50

The Daredevil 2/50

The Old Crem 2/50

Book 2/50

gcreptile 2/50

Famous6Eva 2/50

Doorslammer 2/50

diego 2/50

philip 2/50

Clarence 2/50

DeathBecomesThem 2/50

wannamaker 2/50

MariNisia 2/50

Murdoc 2/50

Thatcher 2/50

WEP 2/50

earl 2/50

Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50

markb4 2/50

six feet blunder 1/50

Bibliogryphon 1/50

Gooseberry Crumble 1/50

Johnnas 1/50

MortalCaso 1/50

_floydylan_ 1/50

Death Duke 1/50

Dying Probably 1/50

LizLemon 1/50

Redrumours 1/50

TQR 1/50

Hell 1/50

WinterCake 1/50

TheSpinosaurus 1/50

 When The 1/50

Salmon Mousse 1/50

Charles De Gaulle 1/50

Steve 1/50

dimreaper 1/50

Zsa Zsa's leg 1/50

Summer in Transylvania 1/50

Main Deathlist 0/50

ThereWillBeDeaths7 0/50

Khthonia 0/50

Joltin Joe 0/50

ladyfiona 0/50

LWCZ 0/50

Torva Messor 0/50

John Key 0/50

TheKestrelofDoom 0/50

Pop_Zeus 0/50

Brad252 0/50

polar duck 0/50

jonnythegamemaster 0/50

 

*Repasted the first 3 deaths tracked for my convenience. 

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2 hours ago, John Key said:

This is fine. I'm going to assume some kind of communication error / language barrier and accept your posting because you're a good competitive Deathlister ;;; and accept it for my own sanity. I will spend a few minutes noting the changes you've made, incase if any scrutiny comes from them. 

 

Changes
Fresh: Rolf Harris

Subs upped: Walter Mirisch, Antonio Gala

 

Original list you sent in 2022: 

 

Salmon Mousse:

1.   Alan Bennett

2.   Anita Pointer

3.   Barbara Walters

4.   Bernadette Chirac

5.   Bill Hayden (Aussie politician)

6.   Bob Barker

7.   Carmen Sevilla

8.   Carolyn Bryant Donham

9.   Chaim Topol

10.   David Graham

11.   Denny Crum

12.   Dikembe Mutombo

13.   Doyle Brunson

14.   Ella Jenkins

15.   Francoise Hardy

16.   Frank Field

17.   Frank McGarvey

18.   Fred Lorenzen

19.   George Alagiah

20.   Gianluca Vialli

21.   James Watson (Nobel winner)

22.   James Whale

23.   Janey Godley

24.   Jeanette Lee

25.   Jimmy Carter

26.   Johnny Ruffo

27.   Jonnie Irwin

28.   Jose Maria Marin

29.   Khamtai Siphandon

30.   Larry Pressler

31.   Malachy McCourt

32.   Michael Tilson Thomas

33.   Parnelli Jones

34.   Perez Musharraf

35.   Pope Benedict XVI

36.   Rob Burrow

37.   Robert Blake

38.   Ryuichi Sakamoto

39.   Sepp Blatter

40.   Shannen Doherty

41.   Sidney Cooke

42.   Steve McMichael

43.   Ted Kaczynski

44.   Ted Turner

45.   Tim Keller

46.   Victor Orena

47.   Violeta Chamorro

48.   William Russell

49.   Yoko Ono

50.   Zhu Rongji

 

SUBS

Walter Mirisch

Antonio Gala

Mike Sertich

Slim Borgudd

 

Thought this was all already clarified, ages ago, before your last PM asking to post the team to the forum.  Can't say I'm not slightly annoyed.

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12 hours ago, Salmon Mousse said:

 

Thought this was all already clarified, ages ago, before your last PM asking to post the team to the forum.  Can't say I'm not slightly annoyed.

I was going to ignore this but I'm too childish not to respond. 

 

It wasn't clarified, you needed to post your list because I wasn't going to edit it for you. I told you this. Through PM you said "My apologies for the extremely delayed response." - this about sums it up. You took 19 days to respond. 

 

Feel free to be annoyed. 

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34 minutes ago, John Key said:

I was going to ignore this but I'm too childish not to respond. 

 

It wasn't clarified, you needed to post your list because I wasn't going to edit it for you. I told you this. Through PM you said "My apologies for the extremely delayed response." - this about sums it up. You took 19 days to respond. 

 

Feel free to be annoyed. 

 

When Anita Pointer died on the 31st I asked Rolf Harris be her substitute.  On January first I made it clear that I was fine with the top two names on my sub list (Mirisch and Gala) going in for the recently deceased Walters and Benedict.  The roster was finalized clearly at that point.  While I somehow missed the request you sent, later on on the 1st, to repaste my list it didn't change anything about the team.  Even with my missing the message (which yes, I did apologize for) the response, which clarified in bold each substitution that had been previously finalized, weeks before was itself sent well over a week ago (the 18th to be precise).

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1 hour ago, Salmon Mousse said:

 

When Anita Pointer died on the 31st I asked Rolf Harris be her substitute.  On January first I made it clear that I was fine with the top two names on my sub list (Mirisch and Gala) going in for the recently deceased Walters and Benedict.  The roster was finalized clearly at that point.  While I somehow missed the request you sent, later on on the 1st, to repaste my list it didn't change anything about the team.  Even with my missing the message (which yes, I did apologize for) the response, which clarified in bold each substitution that had been previously finalized, weeks before was itself sent well over a week ago (the 18th to be precise).

Yes. 

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Hazel McCallion

BuffaloPhil 2+1

Dying Probably 1+1

Summer in Transylvania 1+1

 

 

 

 

Scoreboard:

Grimgrass 3/50

Windsor 3/50

Nick 3/50

CaptainChorizo 3/50

BuffaloPhil 3/50

theoldlady 2/50

tracy 2/50

MrShadrak 2/50

The Daredevil 2/50

The Old Crem 2/50

Book 2/50

gcreptile 2/50

Famous6Eva 2/50

Doorslammer 2/50

diego 2/50

philip 2/50

Clarence 2/50

DeathBecomesThem 2/50

wannamaker 2/50

MariNisia 2/50

Murdoc 2/50

Thatcher 2/50

WEP 2/50

earl 2/50

Etushispushingupdaisies 2/50

markb4 2/50

Summer in Transylvania 2/50

Dying Probably 2/50

six feet blunder 1/50

Bibliogryphon 1/50

Gooseberry Crumble 1/50

Johnnas 1/50

MortalCaso 1/50

_floydylan_ 1/50

Death Duke 1/50

LizLemon 1/50

Redrumours 1/50

TQR 1/50

Hell 1/50

WinterCake 1/50

TheSpinosaurus 1/50

 When The 1/50

Salmon Mousse 1/50

Charles De Gaulle 1/50

Steve 1/50

dimreaper 1/50

Zsa Zsa's leg 1/50

Main Deathlist 0/50

ThereWillBeDeaths7 0/50

Khthonia 0/50

Joltin Joe 0/50

ladyfiona 0/50

LWCZ 0/50

Torva Messor 0/50

John Key 0/50

TheKestrelofDoom 0/50

Pop_Zeus 0/50

Brad252 0/50

polar duck 0/50

jonnythegamemaster 0/50

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Did I somehow manage to not submit my 50?

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On 01/02/2023 at 11:12, Imelda said:

Did I somehow manage to not submit my 50?

You didn't! 

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