Life In Prison

[Toast 16,371]

This thing should be put down.

[Ulitzer95 13,230]

15 minutes ago, Toast said:

This thing should be put down.

Yes, I agree. I'm generally against the death penalty, though I support it in extreme cases like this where multiple children have been murdered. The individual is beyond redemption or rehabilitation. It almost feels cruel keeping him alive and in a confined room for 60–70 years. Not to mention a risk to all other prisoners. 

Though if Richard Huckle was anything to go by, somebody might kill him in prison.

[The Old Crem 3,811]

10 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Yes, I agree. I'm generally against the death penalty, though I support it in extreme cases like this where multiple children have been murdered. The individual is beyond redemption or rehabilitation. It almost feels cruel keeping him alive and in a confined room for 60–70 years. Not to mention a risk to all other prisoners. 

Though if Richard Huckle was anything to go by, somebody might kill him in prison.

The prison system will put a lot of effort into preventing that mainly because it won’t want to deal with the paperwork etc that a murder in custody happens. 
 

But the death penalty will come back in the 2030’s when the UK leaves the ECHr under the next Tory or Reform Goverment.  Or if Keir Starmer does a David Cameron and offers a ECHR referendum to try and keep his job. 

[Sod's Law 502]

Deserves solitary confinement for life in my opinion. Bread and water pushed through a slot in the door of a tiny cell should be the only human contact he gets from now on. Any individual with even a tiny flicker of humanity will find that a much worse fate than a simple 'lights out' on the noose.

[The Old Crem 3,811]

4 minutes ago, Sod's Law said:

Deserves solitary confinement for life in my opinion. Bread and water pushed through a slot in the door of a tiny cell should be the only human contact he gets from now on. Any individual with even a tiny flicker of humanity will find that a much worse fate than a simple 'lights out' on the noose.

Unfortunately that treatment is also banned under the ECHR I believe. 

[time 8,777]

Have I accidentally strayed onto the MailOnline website?

[arghton 7,114]

There are worse cunts, much worse. Anyways, keeping these mass killers and rapists humanely alive behind bars is a waste of money and resources.

[The Old Crem 3,811]

6 minutes ago, time said:

Have I accidentally strayed onto the MailOnline website?

I imagine on there they probably want more than just him executed. 

[The Old Crem 3,811]

 

So he can’t get a whole life order as he was 17 when he committed the murders.

[time 8,777]

2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

I imagine on there they probably want more than just him executed. 

We've obviously come a long way since the middle ages.

[Deadboy999 188]

Rope around the neck, we need the death penalty back for these such cases.

[En Passant 3,830]

 

The one unanswerable argument against the death penalty.

As I believe previously espoused by our old and sadly missed friend @Cat O'Falk

[The Old Crem 3,811]

2 minutes ago, Deadboy999 said:

Rope around the neck, we need the death penalty back for these such cases.

It will only come if the UK leaves the ECHR. Today will make that more likely. 

[The Old Crem 3,811]

Just now, En Passant said:

 

The one unanswerable argument against the death penalty.

As I believe previously espoused by our old and sadly missed friend @Cat O'Falk

Even in a case like this when the person pleads guilty?

[En Passant 3,830]

Just now, The Old Crem said:

Even in a case like this when the person pleads guilty?

Yes, because people have plead guilty under duress.

Look, I'd string him no problem. But just one of these ends the argument for me. Mind you I also don't read the Daily Fail.

[The Old Crem 3,811]

1 minute ago, En Passant said:

Yes, because people have plead guilty under duress.

Look, I'd string him no problem. But just one of these ends the argument for me. Mind you I also don't read the Daily Fail.

I imagine that’s very rare. In a lot of miscarriage of justice cases the person is actually guilty just the evidence used to convict the, becomes unreliable.
 

I expect the next You Gov poll to show majority support for the Death Penalty so it’s not just Daily Mail readers. 

[Ulitzer95 13,230]

4 minutes ago, En Passant said:

 

The one unanswerable argument against the death penalty.

As I believe previously espoused by our old and sadly missed friend @Cat O'Falk

It’s easily answerable: case by case basis. If there’s CCTV, multiple witness testimonies, and a confession then there really is no doubt. 

[The Old Crem 3,811]

Just now, Ulitzer95 said:

It’s easily answerable: case by case basis. If there’s CCTV, multiple witness testimonies, and a confession then there really is no doubt. 

I think a lot of people will find it hard to accept when the first execution since the 1960’s happens sometime in the 2030’s 

[Lafaucheuse 4,320]

I don’t know where I red or heard this but I remember this sentence « there are no monsters, only monstruous acts ». You can kill the human for all the arguments previously stated but it won’t change the course of the action. 

[En Passant 3,830]

Just now, Ulitzer95 said:

It’s easily answerable: case by case basis. If there’s CCTV, multiple witness testimonies, and a confession then there really is no doubt. 

 

With CCTV we can be more sure than we were 75 years ago but even that is being faked now. Evans wasn't exactly a good witness but he still didnt do it.

In any event a civilised society shouldn't kill. The world is a better place without state executions.

Of course if I were one of those kids parents - I'd want to do it myself and sod the state - but there are no easy answers here.

 

I'm trying not to use emotion here, of course like you and toast and probably nearly everyone I'd be there with my own rope if I acted on my feelings.

I'm not trying to rise above it, I can't anymore than anyone can, he disgusts me (words almost fail how I feel as with others) but state execution is just wrong and it doesn't make any difference how I feel about that.

 

Just now, The Old Crem said:

I think a lot of people will find it hard to accept when the first execution since the 1960’s happens sometime in the 2030’s 

 

Indeed.

[msc 18,734]

Polling has frequently pointed out that the public are quite emotive on the death penalty, they hate it as a principle but mention dead children for example and they become a vengeance seeking lot. Hell, I'm a parent and child killers and abusers have my own vengeance-o-meter going. However, En Passant has it right in my view, the rule of law should not be vengeful. Even when it comes to complete and utter cuntfaces (and this guy, like Brady, seemingly wants death so the living is part of the punishment. Like Brady's.) 

 

That said, if the prison accidentally leaves him in the same breakfast table as Mack the Knife, no tears here. 

[The Old Crem 3,811]

22 minutes ago, msc said:

Polling has frequently pointed out that the public are quite emotive on the death penalty, they hate it as a principle but mention dead children for example and they become a vengeance seeking lot. Hell, I'm a parent and child killers and abusers have my own vengeance-o-meter going. However, En Passant has it right in my view, the rule of law should not be vengeful. Even when it comes to complete and utter cuntfaces (and this guy, like Brady, seemingly wants death so the living is part of the punishment. Like Brady's.) 

 

That said, if the prison accidentally leaves him in the same breakfast table as Mack the Knife, no tears here. 

And people that want death are good for this website. Particularly if we keep getting media updates as parts of the media love stories about prison life for the evilest prisoners. 

[The Old Crem 3,811]

Also in case he is ever on a Pool his birthday is 7th August 2006 as the Judge said he turned 18 9 days after the 29th July. 

[time 8,777]

2 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

Even in a case like this when the person pleads guilty?

A guilty plea attracts a more lenient sentence, but besides that, you have no idea what legal advice has been given to the defendant affecting his/her plea (speaking generally, not about any specific case), so you can't paint with such a broad brush. Justice  shouldn't have a "one size fits all" solution.

[Sean 6,615]

He should be killed for what he did.It is such an irredeemably and unspeakably calous act that I don't believe any other punishment is fitting in such a case.A 52 year sentence at the expense of the taxpayer amounting to many tens of thousands of pounds a year just so this utter monster can get shelter food and security in exchange for doing nothing is not justice.I can't imagine the pain the families are going through but to have it compounded with the ever present and nagging fear that one day he will be out is beyond the pale.I hope he  gets violently murdered in jail.He doesn't deserve to live let alone sponge off the taxpayer for decades.

 

He didn't have to wait 3 days in A and E like the rest of us mere mortals.