themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 6, 2015 I had a dream that I managed to win by virtue of an obituary for Ed Drummond appearing in the Daily Telegraph on 31st December. I love the fact that you're still dreaming of winning the DDP... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,970 Posted September 7, 2015 According to her twitter account, Kate Granger's situation is getting a bit worrisome, by the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pelican Posted September 7, 2015 Assad Uzzaman was killed in July 2015 according to his BBC profile page. Is that enough to get me points?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 7, 2015 Assad Uzzaman was killed in July 2015 according to his BBC profile page. Is that enough to get me points?? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32026985 It's looking more convincing I must admit. I'm going to do more digging for verification (date of death etc) and then add him in for the next update. It can only be contradicted from now on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pelican Posted September 7, 2015 Um, The Man In Black - as you're in a good mood.... I was wondering would an audio obit count?There are a lot of people who are covered on The Last Word on Radio 4 who don't even make an obit on the BBC website. As you can get all previous editions on the website would you accept this in the place of a written obit? If there's a link then it's valid... James Varda's death was spoken of on BBC Radio Ulster's folk show last month. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27 5mins and 40seconds in, but do stop and listen to the song which follows. James Varda was a very talented musician, remaining as obscure in death as he did in life. Peace APW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 7, 2015 Er...it's produced a 404! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat O'Falk 3,290 Posted September 7, 2015 Er...it's produced a 404! Screengrab of a cache copy. Looks like it's been deleted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted September 7, 2015 If we start counting local BBC radio obits then why shouldn't we count commercial radio obits from stations such as Smooth, Metro, Classic, Sun FM etc? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pelican Posted September 7, 2015 Link works for me http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27 If we start counting local BBC radio obits then why shouldn't we count commercial radio obits from stations such as Smooth, Metro, Classic, Sun FM etc? Because they're not the BBC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat O'Falk 3,290 Posted September 7, 2015 Link works for me http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27 If we start counting local BBC radio obits then why shouldn't we count commercial radio obits from stations such as Smooth, Metro, Classic, Sun FM etc? Because they're not the BBC. That link works but it's not the exact link address as the one posted above. bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27%C2%A0 bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted September 7, 2015 Link works for me http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b064zt27 If we start counting local BBC radio obits then why shouldn't we count commercial radio obits from stations such as Smooth, Metro, Classic, Sun FM etc? Because they're not the BBC. That's not my point. At the minute we exclude local news sources such as local radio, local newspapers and local websites on the basis anyone notable will get national recognition. If we say that this is the case except when the BBC's local output produces something then we're given the BBC a divine right superior to any other news outlet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 7, 2015 Next year the rule will be refined in that there has be a mention in writing that a pick has died, even if it is a side bar... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted September 7, 2015 Next year the rule will be refined in that there has be a mention in writing that a pick has died, even if it is a side bar... Still doesn't address the imbalance. If the Middleofnowhereshire Times reports that's Joe Bloggs has died on their website then that currently gets filed under List of the Lost. If the BBC Middleofnowhereshire local page reports that Joe Bloggs has died on the website that currently gets filed as a hit. It's unfair, regardless of your opinion on state news outlets and private news outletsboth of these institutions are intended for the same audience, the residents of Middleofnowhereshire and as such will reflect fame as seen by people in Middleofnowhereshire. The current rules provide a situation where a mildly notable chap from Middleofnowhereshire could die and the hit would be missed because it was report by the Middleofnowhereshire Times, whereas a few weeks later a equally notable chap dies and the hits granted because BBC Middleofnowhereshire reported it. How's that fair and equal treatment of news sources? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,579 Posted September 8, 2015 Next year the rule will be refined in that there has be a mention in writing that a pick has died, even if it is a side bar... Still doesn't address the imbalance. If the Middleofnowhereshire Times reports that's Joe Bloggs has died on their website then that currently gets filed under List of the Lost. If the BBC Middleofnowhereshire local page reports that Joe Bloggs has died on the website that currently gets filed as a hit. It's unfair, regardless of your opinion on state news outlets and private news outletsboth of these institutions are intended for the same audience, the residents of Middleofnowhereshire and as such will reflect fame as seen by people in Middleofnowhereshire. The current rules provide a situation where a mildly notable chap from Middleofnowhereshire could die and the hit would be missed because it was report by the Middleofnowhereshire Times, whereas a few weeks later a equally notable chap dies and the hits granted because BBC Middleofnowhereshire reported it. How's that fair and equal treatment of news sources? Some of my more obscure hits have been initially only picked up by local press and I worried that there would be no national obit but I understand why the rules would limit us to the BBC. They would be nationally backed by the reporting standards that apply to the national news. If we let local press in how local do we go. Every former counciller and 90 year old verge cutter would qualify as a hit. I think part of the skill of the game is to balance the unique picks against the news worthiness of their passing. I believe that every one on my long list should be worthy of a national obit but I am sometimes mistaken. The fact that Doctor Who writer Jane Baker didn't get one startled me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 8, 2015 Next year the rule will be refined in that there has be a mention in writing that a pick has died, even if it is a side bar... Still doesn't address the imbalance. If the Middleofnowhereshire Times reports that's Joe Bloggs has died on their website then that currently gets filed under List of the Lost. If the BBC Middleofnowhereshire local page reports that Joe Bloggs has died on the website that currently gets filed as a hit. It's unfair, regardless of your opinion on state news outlets and private news outletsboth of these institutions are intended for the same audience, the residents of Middleofnowhereshire and as such will reflect fame as seen by people in Middleofnowhereshire. The current rules provide a situation where a mildly notable chap from Middleofnowhereshire could die and the hit would be missed because it was report by the Middleofnowhereshire Times, whereas a few weeks later a equally notable chap dies and the hits granted because BBC Middleofnowhereshire reported it. How's that fair and equal treatment of news sources? That was a actually a response to Pelican's earlier query about video evidence and nothing about the BBC. Nonetheless you've raised an interesting point about what is counted as an obit. With three months until the nomination period opens for DDP 2016, I hereby announce an Open Forum to discuss any suggestions or gripes or rule clearance matters regarding the DDP from next year. So, your suggestions/complaints please. I may take on board all, none or some of what will be said in preparation for next year, so fire away folks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,140 Posted September 8, 2015 How about disqualifying the Daily Mail, that should rule out a shedload of obscure nonentity picks. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted September 8, 2015 Next year the rule will be refined in that there has be a mention in writing that a pick has died, even if it is a side bar... Still doesn't address the imbalance. If the Middleofnowhereshire Times reports that's Joe Bloggs has died on their website then that currently gets filed under List of the Lost. If the BBC Middleofnowhereshire local page reports that Joe Bloggs has died on the website that currently gets filed as a hit. It's unfair, regardless of your opinion on state news outlets and private news outletsboth of these institutions are intended for the same audience, the residents of Middleofnowhereshire and as such will reflect fame as seen by people in Middleofnowhereshire. The current rules provide a situation where a mildly notable chap from Middleofnowhereshire could die and the hit would be missed because it was report by the Middleofnowhereshire Times, whereas a few weeks later a equally notable chap dies and the hits granted because BBC Middleofnowhereshire reported it. How's that fair and equal treatment of news sources? That was a actually a response to Pelican's earlier query about video evidence and nothing about the BBC. Nonetheless you've raised an interesting point about what is counted as an obit. With three months until the nomination period opens for DDP 2016, I hereby announce an Open Forum to discuss any suggestions or gripes or rule clearance matters regarding the DDP from next year. So, your suggestions/complaints please. I may take on board all, none or some of what will be said in preparation for next year, so fire away folks! Just as a matter of record I would like to point out that my argument would be in favour of the exclusion of local content of national organisations from the valid obits category rather than the extension to other local new sources, with second preference being such and extension followed by a least desirable scenario of the status quo. This is in the belief that the current rules provided to much room for ambulance chasers, obscure picks with a local following and a degree of bias. Historically the DDP has been a game about celebrity deaths, I feel allowing a mere mention on a BBC local radio programme has the elastic band of celebrity stretched to the point you could accommodate an elephant within the inner radius. May I also request clarification that any alterations to the rules made as a result of this open forum will be published before the nomination period for next year begins? Also may I suggest that in addition to the overall scoreboard and theme team league a scoreboard excluding theme teams is provided. Finally can I request that this Rules and Scoring page (available here: http://www.derbydeadpool.co.uk/general/rules_and_scoring.html)on the site is ammended to display the rules of the current games as they stand as a point of reference for players rather than a frankly unhelpful "you're too late" message? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,970 Posted September 9, 2015 I think DDP-valid celebrities should cross a certain line of fame threshhold, so no local obits, only national ones. Banning the Daily Mail alone would be relatively useless, because the Mirror and the Daily Star or maybe Yahoo UK, would fill the gap, and the Daily Mail at least provides (copy/pastes) international obits from AP and Reuters. First, I thought about demanding that the name of the person should be in the headline of the post, which Shaun of the Dead also does now and hopefully, we'll see the advantages/disadvantages of that. But I could imagine that some notable people, especially of the "last of the XYZ" variety would fall through. Another idea to determine that fame threshhold (in addition to the obits) might be to demand the existence of a Wikipedia article in whatever language existing of that person BEFORE the year of team submission. So a person picked for the DDP 2016, and submitted in a team in late 2015, would need to have had a Wikipedia page in 2014 already. That's to prevent cheating by the contestant by creating a WIkipedia page at the time of (or shortly before) team submission. I guess checking the WIkipedia page is already part of the procedure, so I hope it's not too much trouble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,525 Posted September 9, 2015 I think DDP-valid celebrities should cross a certain line of fame threshhold, so no local obits, only national ones. Banning the Daily Mail alone would be relatively useless, because the Mirror and the Daily Star or maybe Yahoo UK, would fill the gap, and the Daily Mail at least provides (copy/pastes) international obits from AP and Reuters. First, I thought about demanding that the name of the person should be in the headline of the post, which Shaun of the Dead also does now and hopefully, we'll see the advantages/disadvantages of that. But I could imagine that some notable people, especially of the "last of the XYZ" variety would fall through. Another idea to determine that fame threshhold (in addition to the obits) might be to demand the existence of a Wikipedia article in whatever language existing of that person BEFORE the year of team submission. So a person picked for the DDP 2016, and submitte din a tema in late 2015, would need to have had a Wikipedia page in 2014 already. That's to prevent cheating by the contestant by creating a WIkipedia page at the time of (or shortly before) team submission. I guess checking the WIkipedia page is already part of the procedure, so I hope it's not too much trouble. This would dispel a lot of terrorist-of-the-month picks, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,525 Posted September 9, 2015 I think that Yahoo News should not be an accepted source, ditto HuffPo. Did we ever come to an agreement on whether The Scotsman and the Daily Record are valid sources? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,442 Posted September 9, 2015 I think we should allow Blogger and Wordpress. I can't see any possible way that would be abused by honest DDPers. Honestly, I wouldn't removed any of the Obituary sources. If someone appears on the local news but not the BBC local news, well, that's too bad. There's a nice crossbreed of them, from the Scottish dailys, to the US chasing Mail, to the proper broadsheets. But at the end of the day (and at the risk of being accused of being a suck up), it should be whatever the person in charge wants it to be. If they want to pour over the Dartmoor Chronicle for references to a cancer bride, so be it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted September 9, 2015 Hmm, as I recall the only place Stuart Wagstaff got a UK obit was the Daily Mail! After so long in the going, I thought things like this would have all been ironed out. I'm mainly for the status quo, under exception of the famous for being ill/famous for fundraising and being ill/famous for getting married to or being a member of a family of someone who is ill. Admittedly, I think it's 2 hits this year who have qualified to 1 which has been lost, so it's not a large proportion so far. The people who have had fame and celebrity or notoriety can or have to take it (this isn't the kindest forum at times!), people simply struck down by affliction who get a small amount of media attention in the great scheme of things aren't. If they are not worthy of a thread of their own in this forum (not that they have to have a thread of their own), they are not worthy of a place in the DDP. I'd probably dump the Daily Record as a source - not sure one hit has come from there this year. Edit: If the state targets a terrorist in a strike, does that count as a state execution? Tuppence spent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted September 9, 2015 For the record here are the obits the 184 confirmed hits so far in 2015 had to qualify: Mario Cuomo http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30654213Little Jimmy Dickens http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30664783Anas al-Liby http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-30664977Edward Brooke http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30669925Bernice Madigan http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2900468/Oldest-resident-Massachusetts-dies-age-115.htmlStuart Scott http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/04/espn-sports-journalist-stuart-scott-dead-at-49-after-long-battle-with-cancerGene Kemp http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/13/gene-kemp-obituaryJean-Pierre Beltoise http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30689884Lance Percival http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30746784Rod Taylor http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-30738498Francesco Rosi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30776347Brian Clemens http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-30775352Anita Ekberg http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30767431Mike Marqusee http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/15/mike-marquseeRonnie Ronalde http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ronnie-ronalde-music-hall-artiste-famous-for-his-whistling-and-yodelling-9993733.htmlEthel Lang http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-30845570Kim Fowley http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11350804/Kim-Fowley-record-producer-obituary.htmlLiz Taylor http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/darts-legend-phil-the-power-5001255Adam Yahiye Gadahn http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3052622/American-spokesman-Osama-bin-Laden-killed.htmlRobert Manzon http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/01/19/uk-motor-racing-manzon-idUKKBN0KS1SB20150119Leon Brittan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30938755Wendell H. Ford http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2921884/Wendell-Ford-ex-Kentucky-governor-US-senator-dies-90.htmlKing Abdullah of Saudi Arabia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-30945324Pauline Yates http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jan/26/pauline-yatesDemis Roussos http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-30984851Charles Townes http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/jan/29/charles-townesRod McKuen http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31053895Kel Nagle http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jan/29/kel-nagle-australias-champion-golfer-dies-aged-94Carl Djerassi http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2934518/Carl-Djerassi-man-helped-develop-pill--diesDon Covay http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31128520Richard von Weizsäcker http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31073517Aldo Ciccolini http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11387226/Aldo-Ciccolini-pianist-obituary.htmlUdo Lattek http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31138191Charlie Sifford http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/31130551Mary Healy http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2941908/Actress-singer-Mary-Healy-dies-96-starred-Welles.htmlBilly Casper http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/31240275Müzeyyen Senar http://www.bbc.co.uk/turkce/haberler/2015/02/150208_muzeyyan_senarEd Sabol http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/feb/10/ed-sabol-whose-nfl-films-revolutionized-american-football-dies-at-98Jerry Tarkanian http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/feb/11/hall-of-fame-unlv-coach-jerry-tarkanian-dies-aged-84Sam Andrew http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2953077/Janis-Joplin-s-collaborator-Sam-Andrew-worked-hit-Pieces-Heart-dies-age-73-suffering-heart-attack.htmlJohn McCabe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31457464Louis Jourdan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31483113Wim Ruska http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/obituaries/article4401804.ecePamela Cundell http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/feb/16/pamela-cundellMichele Ferrero http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31477547Lesley Gore http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-31500422Lorena Rojas http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31516878George Mackie http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-31513192Betty Lou Motes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2960307/Julia-Roberts-mother-dies-aged-80-losing-battle-lung-cancer-one-year-sister-s-suicide.htmlYutaka Katayama http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2962688/Nissan-executive-known-father-Z-dies-105.htmlAhmad "Real" Givens http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2963037/Real-Chance-Love-s-Ahmad-Givens-dies-age-33-battle-cancer.htmlIrving Kahn http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/11437697/Irving-Kahn-the-worlds-oldest-investor-dies-at-109.htmlTheodore Hesburgh http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2971781/Former-Notre-Dame-president-Rev-Theodore-Hesburgh-dies-97.htmlBob Benmosche http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2972657/Former-AIG-head-Benmosche-dies-led-insurer-bailout.htmlLeonard Nimoy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31662024Daniel von Bargen http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2979726/Seinfeld-character-actor-Daniel-von-Bargen-dies-age-64-long-battle-Diabetes.htmlAlbert Maysles http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31788538Sam Simon http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31801198Jim Molyneaux http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-31793756Stuart Wagstaff http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2987960/Entertainer-Stuart-Wagstaff-dies-aged-90.htmlTerry Pratchett http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31858156Daevid Allen http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/mar/13/gong-founder-daevid-allen-has-died-aged-77Mike Porcaro http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-31900407Bob Appleyard http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31923921Shaw Taylor http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-31954540Providencia Paredes http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006909/Personal-assistant-Jaqueline-Kennedy-dies-90.htmlLeandra Becerra Lumbreras http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3005130/Mexican-woman-lived-revolution-dies-127-govt.htmlPeter Katin http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11488381/Peter-Katin-pianist-obituary.htmlMalcolm Fraser http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-31978239Hans Erni http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/22/swiss-artist-hans-erni-dies-aged-106Kara Tippetts http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kara-tippetts-pastors-wife-who-urged-terminally-ill-brittany-maynard-not-to-take-her-life-dies-of-cancer-10128394.htmlRoy Douglas http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11494520/Roy-Douglas-composer-obituary.htmlLee Kuan Yew http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-12975980Ron Suart http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32063681Ronald Stevenson http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/ronald-stevenson-composer-best-known-for-passacaglia-on-dsch-thought-to-be-the-longest-onemovement-piano-piece-10144581.htmlRichard L. Bare https://uk.yahoo.com/movies/s/richard-l-bare-green-acres-director-dies-101-000001301.htmlGene Saks http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017083/Tony-winner-Neil-Simon-director-Gene-Saks-dies-93.htmlRobert L. Hite http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2932442/1-4-remaining-World-War-II-Doolittle-Raiders-dies-94.htmlHelmut Dietl http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11509337/Helmut-Dietl-film-director-obituary.htmlMisawo Okawa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32142212Robert H. Schuller http://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/apr/02/robert-schuller-televangelist-obituaryManoel de Oliveira http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32160010Tom Coyne http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/update/2015-04-07/veteran-tyne-tees-presenter-tom-coyne-dies-aged-84/Sarah Brady http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/04/gun-control-activist-sarah-brady-dies-aged-73James Best http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32208585Gertrude Weaver http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/32200247Stan Freberg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3029489/Comedy-genius-Stan-Freberg-died-age-88.htmlPrince Kardam of Turnovo http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3029935/PRESS-DIGEST--Bulgaria--April-8.htmlIon Trewin http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32215518Lauren Hill http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033675/College-basketball-player-Lauren-Hill-dies-age-19-brave-cancer-battle.htmlJin Youzhi http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3035763/Brother-Chinas-emperor-dies-aged-96.htmlJudith Malina http://www.express.co.uk/news/showbiz/569856/The-Addams-Family-star-Judith-Manila-dies-aged-88Richie Benaud http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32182999Günter Grass http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32285705Ronnie Carroll http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32291350Percy Sledge http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32301435Francis George http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3044049/Chicago-Cardinal-Francis-George-dies-age-78.htmlPeter Howell http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/may/10/peter-howellM. H. Abrams http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/apr/23/mh-abrams-norton-anthology-founder-influential-critic-dead-at-age-102Glenys Thomas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3099496/World-s-oldest-identical-twins-lived-two-world-wars-pass-away-weeks-apart-age-103.htmlColin Bloomfield http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-32236757Jayne Meadows http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3058193/Jayne-Meadows-actress-TV-personality-dies-95.htmlChris Turner http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-32494917Verne Gagne http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/verne-gagne-dead-wwe-hall-of-fame-wrestler-passes-away-aged-89-10208568.htmlGene Fullmer http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/obituaries/gene-fullmer.124815240?Jean Nidetch http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32525181Ben E. King http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32547474Geoff Duke http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motorsport/32563894Ruth Rendell http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32564813Colonel Bertram Archer http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11580289/Colonel-Stuart-Archer-GC-obituary.htmlEllen Albertini Dow http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/ellen-albertini-dow-dead-grandma-from-the-wedding-singer-dies-aged-101-10226742.htmlSamantha Beaven http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3068745/Tragedy-young-mother-28-dies-cervical-cancer-symptoms-blamed-pregnant.htmlJim Wright http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3070550/Former-House-Speaker-Jim-Wright-dies-age-92.htmlKenan Evren http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32679281B. B. King http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32747861Happy Rockefeller http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11618492/Margaretta-Happy-Rockefeller-obituary.htmlFlorence Davies http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3099496/World-s-oldest-identical-twins-lived-two-world-wars-pass-away-weeks-apart-age-103.htmlAnne Meara http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32881894Alicia Nash http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32865248John Nash http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-32865248Dave Benton http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3098494/Illinois-news-anchor-announced-air-just-months-live-dies-brain-cancer-shortly-forced-step-treatments-stopped-working.htmlErik Carlsson http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11651975/Erik-Carlsson-rally-driver-obituary.htmlDoris Hart http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/may/31/doris-hartBetsy Palmer http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3105129/Betsy-Palmer-dies-killer-cook-Friday-13th.htmlJean Ritchie http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11649343/Jean-Ritchie-folk-singer-obituary.htmlCharles Kennedy http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32970337Joan Kirner http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/jun/01/joan-kirner-obituaryMarguerite Patten http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33082773Colette Marchand http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11699001/Colette-Marchand-ballerina-obituary.htmlTariq Aziz http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-33021771Ronnie Gilbert http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/07/weavers-folk-legend-ronnie-gilbert-dies-in-california-aged-88Vincent Bugliosi http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/vincent-bugliosi-lawyer-who-prosecuted-the-manson-family-and-wrote-the-bestselling-book-helter-skelter-about-the-case-10308666.htmlChristopher Lee http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33098353Carmen de Tommaso https://uk.news.yahoo.com/frances-fashion-designer-petite-women-dies-aged-105-163906170.html#fWiXSiQJim Ed Brown http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/worldfolkandjazz/11669709/Jim-Ed-Brown-country-music-star-dies-aged-81.htmlRon Moody http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33094914Dusty Rhodes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33104825Nek Chand Saini http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-33105899Jean Doré https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/jean-dor-dies-230239204.htmlKirk Kerkorian http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33154082Süleyman Demirel http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33160193Jeralean Talley http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3130177/Woman-deemed-worlds-oldest-person-dies-116-Michigan.htmlJack Rollins http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/what-to-watch/jack-rollins-best-movies/Chris Woodhead http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-33237986Dick Van Patten http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/jun/23/dick-van-patten-eight-is-enough-tv-diesMario Biaggi http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3139297/Mario-Biaggi-former-congressman-NYC-dies-97.htmlPatrick Macnee http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33288656Val Doonican http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33363938Nicholas Winton http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33350880Diana Dill http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33400021Sakari Momoi http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33421592Yoichiro Nambu http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11751111/Yoichiro-Nambu-physicist-obituary.htmlOmar Sharif http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33483877Olaf Pooley http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3168831/Doctor-star-Olaf-Pooley-dies-aged-101.htmlWan Li http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3162198/Chinese-reform-politician-Wan-Li-dies-99.htmlAubrey Morris http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33564505Alcides Ghiggia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-33562371Nova Pilbeam http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11755749/Nova-Pilbeam-actress-obituary.htmlJules Bianchi http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/33578770Alex Rocco http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33590454Theodore Bikel http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33618210Ivan Moravec http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11768306/Ivan-Moravec-concert-pianist-obituary.htmlRuth Newman http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3219355/Oldest-survivor-San-Francisco-earthquake-1906-dies.htmlPeter O'Sullevan http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/horse-racing/33709124Richard Schweiker http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3184356/Former-Pennsylvania-Sen-Richard-Schweiker-dies-89.htmlCilla Black http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33751060Robert Conquest http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11782719/Robert-Conquest-historian-obituary.htmlLes Munro http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33769486George Cole http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33803144Louise Suggs http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/33831286Nour El-Sherif http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3194018/Famed-Egyptian-actor-Nour-el-Sherif-dies-illness-69.htmlStephen Lewis http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33914037Yvonne Craig http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-33985709Sam Ledward http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-33986523Denise Marshall http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/denise-marshallArthur Morris http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/34025818Ieng Thirith http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3206942/Top-woman-leader-Cambodias-Khmer-Rouge-dies-83.htmlGuy Ligier http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34036755Amelia Boynton Robinson http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3211697/Civil-rights-activist-Amelia-Boynton-Robinson-dies-104.htmlAl Arbour http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3214569/Al-Arbour-former-longtime-coach-NHLs-Islanders-dies.htmlBart Cummings http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/34101099Edward Douglas-Scott-Montagu http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34106225Judy Carne http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34184529Jean Darling http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/sep/08/jean-darling Now bear in mind that I end to "upgrade" to bbc.co.uk obits when they are available and that some of the other obits (such as the inevitable Daily Mail ones) often have other qualifying obit sources too (such as the Guardian/Independent etc). In numbers: BBC - 92 Daily Mail - 39Guardian - 21Telegraph - 17Independent - 6 Yahoo - 3Mirror/ITV/Express/Herald/Reuters - 1 each 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevonDeathTrip 2,358 Posted September 9, 2015 I'm not really for changing anything. The existing set up seems to work fine for me. Hopelessly Ambivalent of Devon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,525 Posted September 10, 2015 Yeah, in fairness, the last thing we need is a mass overhaul of obituary rules, the thing that needs work is the architecture of the site. There must be some nerdbird who understands databases enough on here to proffer suggestions? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
