The Old Crem 3,614 Posted November 29 5 minutes ago, msc said: The euthanasia second reading passed with a majority of 55 despite projections from the forum Nostradamus. Pretty much everyone expected it be closer through the Bill’s supporters always seemed more confident (And had better organisation because the opposition to it arguably a broader mix of the political spectrum which means more disconnected) I’m glad I’m not an MP because I would probably abstain as I think the Bill is quite flawed but I can’t say I wouldn’t consider an assisted death. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad252 809 Posted November 29 Good to see it passed, surprised in a way as it looked like it might not given (unhelpful) interventions like that from Streeting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,171 Posted November 29 Euthanasia has been going on here for years. When people are close to death they are often helped on their way by an overgenerous dose of morphine. It's just not mentioned. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted November 29 Doesn’t seem likely Scotland will introduce its own form as the SNP as a party is very split as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sod's Law 452 Posted November 29 I'm satisfied but also surprised as I would have bet good money that this bill would be defeated. I could never understand why we put animals with terminal illnesses and injuries down so they don't suffer but we won't do the same with human beings in an even worse state who are capable of giving consent in a way an animal couldn't. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sod's Law 452 Posted November 29 3 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Doesn’t seem likely Scotland will introduce its own form as the SNP as a party is very split as well I still think it's a weird constitutional anomaly that the Scottish MPs can vote on a bill which doesn't affect their country at all, especially on such an emotive one. And they can't vote on a piece of legislation which only affects their country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted November 29 44 minutes ago, Sod's Law said: I still think it's a weird constitutional anomaly that the Scottish MPs can vote on a bill which doesn't affect their country at all, especially on such an emotive one. And they can't vote on a piece of legislation which only affects their country. Their had the EVEL rules for a while but it was scrapped a while back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Great Uncle Bulgaria 1,299 Posted November 29 44 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Their had the EVEL rules for a while Yes, they could vote on Scottish matters provided they jumped over 7 double deckers on a motorbike first. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,663 Posted Sunday at 09:02 Sunday Times front page this morning suggests Elon Musk is preparing to donate $100 million to Reform UK (throgh his X platform to get round rules about foreign investment directly into UK political parties). Point being - obviously - to ensure Reform win the next election. I predict nowt other than if this happens then this here thread will get even livelier! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted Sunday at 09:46 This is quite the poll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sly Ronnie 893 Posted Sunday at 09:55 On 29/11/2024 at 16:23, Sod's Law said: I still think it's a weird constitutional anomaly that the Scottish MPs can vote on a bill which doesn't affect their country at all, especially on such an emotive one. And they can't vote on a piece of legislation which only affects their country. Yes it's a situation known as "the West Lothian question". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted Tuesday at 10:44 https://news.sky.com/story/something-remarkable-is-happening-with-gen-z-is-reform-uk-winning-the-bro-vote-13265490 Sky News investigates if Reform is winning the young men vote or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,997 Posted Tuesday at 15:01 The South Korean president has declared martial law, so the military has suspended all parliamentary activity - where, surprise, the opposition to the president had the majority: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/03/south-korea-declares-emergency-martial-law-yoon-suk-yeol-north-korea-latest-updates The president implies that the opposition consists of pro-North Korean forces. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Summer in Transylvania 2,194 Posted Tuesday at 17:08 Welsh Tory leader Andrew RT Davies quits. That means only the Northern Ireland Conservatives have a leader who was in the same position at the start of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Insane 349 Posted Tuesday at 17:50 2 hours ago, gcreptile said: The South Korean president has declared martial law, so the military has suspended all parliamentary activity - where, surprise, the opposition to the president had the majority: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/dec/03/south-korea-declares-emergency-martial-law-yoon-suk-yeol-north-korea-latest-updates The president implies that the opposition consists of pro-North Korean forces. Got lifted unanimously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted yesterday at 19:42 French government has collapsed. Will Macron drop anitner bomb and resign and trigger an immediate presidential election that Le Pen would on polls likely win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted 8 hours ago That’s a bombshell poll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,602 Posted 8 hours ago 16 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: That’s a bombshell poll. It is one poll and Kier Starmer has time on his side. He has four years to do something. A lot of people are really upset at the moment and there is probably and underlying fear that KS will start back sliding on Brexit. This will only really begin to matter if the disparate Reform vote begins to have some genuine successes at the Ballot box in council and parliamentary by-elections or there is a coming together on the right. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,663 Posted 22 minutes ago 7 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said: It is one poll and Kier Starmer has time on his side. He has four years to do something. A lot of people are really upset at the moment and there is probably and underlying fear that KS will start back sliding on Brexit. This will only really begin to matter if the disparate Reform vote begins to have some genuine successes at the Ballot box in council and parliamentary by-elections or there is a coming together on the right. To be fair the real story here is the rise and rise of Reform - Politico poll of pools taking in period from just before the election to today. This is - likely as not - a recipe for chaos with many candidates capable of squeezing in to unikely seats as other parties split votes that would traditionally have elected either Labour or Tories. Still, probably, more likely that such behaviour is a danger to Conservative seats, those places where people vote against Tories have a good awareness of which candidate would most likely win on the back of such tactical voting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites