Spade_Cooley 9,505 Posted August 17, 2015 Is he going to be the 'new John Smith' in more ways than one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,505 Posted August 17, 2015 He's teetotal and a vegetarian, but doing 75 hustings in less than a month cannot be good on the heart of a 66-year-old who has no experience of politics at the big boys' table before. Especially if Chuka Umunna and Dan Jarvis start hiding behind potted plants and shouting "BOO" at him when he walks by. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulh85 101 Posted August 17, 2015 way out of left field if you ignore the terrible pun. the unions once again fucking over labours chances of getting any sort of control of the country 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,302 Posted August 17, 2015 He looks healthy but as you say that amount of pressure can`t be too healthy.Look how much Brown and Blair aged not to mention Obama.I don`t think he will be elected prime minister unless there was a catastrophe during the next 5 years.Is it just me or doesn`t he look a miserable old sod.No charisma or sense of humour or even facial expressions except that of a smacked arse.He makes John Major look bloody interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted August 17, 2015 I think thres a good chance he will be assassinated by Blairite thugs before or soon after his election as leader. Remember how other enemies of Blairism have suddenly died- Robin Cook, David Kelly etc .There are very sinister forces at work in that party ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted August 17, 2015 Not sure about his corporeal chances but as leader he'll get 2 years tops before being moved aside a la Ian Duncan Smith and replaced by a union-sympathetic "safe pair of hands" Alan Johnson. It'll be Johnson v Johnson in the GE 2020... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 20,969 Posted August 17, 2015 Not sure about his corporeal chances but as leader he'll get 2 years tops before being moved aside a la Ian Duncan Smith and replaced by a union-sympathetic "safe pair of hands" Alan Johnson. It'll be Johnson v Johnson in the GE 2020... Except in Scotland, who have their own programmes.... 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted August 17, 2015 Not sure about his corporeal chances but as leader he'll get 2 years tops before being moved aside a la Ian Duncan Smith and replaced by a union-sympathetic "safe pair of hands" Alan Johnson. It'll be Johnson v Johnson in the GE 2020... Jeremy will sue you for comparing him to IDS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,420 Posted August 17, 2015 Not sure about his corporeal chances but as leader he'll get 2 years tops before being moved aside a la Ian Duncan Smith and replaced by a union-sympathetic "safe pair of hands" Alan Johnson. It'll be Johnson v Johnson in the GE 2020... There's a branch of that party that tried to get Alan Johnson to stand in 2009(ish, 2010, and again in 2014. He just doesn't want the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted August 17, 2015 If and it's a bif if, he's actually elected as a Labour leader, he'll burn out by 2018. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted August 17, 2015 It depends how hard Cameron's new-found ass-kissers in the press come down on him. They will probably hound him out of office within a week just because of low poll numbers, despite the fact that the election's 5 years away. He'll be on the comfy backbenches again in no time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,556 Posted August 18, 2015 Remember Corbyn is a teetotal vegetarian who has enjoyed pottering around his allotment and likes trains and he cycles everywhere (although in London that could also be a death sentence). I do not think he will go the way of John Smith but I also do not think he will lead the party into the 2020 GE. I still think that the fallout from the Europe vote could cause a snap election and if Jeremy became Prime Minister by default then all bets are off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,414 Posted August 22, 2015 If and it's a bif if, he's actually elected as a Labour leader, he'll burn out by 2018. my thoughts exactly. Resigns due to ill health 2017 or 2018 says he wasn't pushed out and asks his supporters to get behind yvette cooper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,302 Posted August 22, 2015 I am pretty sure he is going to be another Michael Foot.Foot was also elected with the principle of being a unifying figure who would get back to the grass roots of the party and re-capture the essence of old fashioned Labour.What happened though was the right of the party formed the SDP and the ones that did stay criticized other Labour Mp`s more than they did the Tories .I really doubt Corbyn could win in 2020 or even stay as Leader that long.The Blairitites will hate him as much as the Tories, if he tries to win back the Scottish vote he will not regain support in England due to the contention behind the West-Lothian question.The press of course will vilify him and he will struggle to get a shadow cabinet that isn`t comprised largely of ageing socialists such as Abbott and McDonell who I don`t think will endear themselves to the voters.As for this "Corbynmania" lark it is just a gimmick.After all we had Milifandom the Green Surge and Nick Clegg`s surge in the polls in 2010 and they are all well and truly on the scrapheap now.Funny how loads of Green party members I know have signed up to Labour to vote for Corbyn.They don`t seem to realise that if he gets in it will kill off their party through mass defections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted August 22, 2015 I don't think Corbyn will be a unifying figure. He'll actually be the most avowedly left-wing leader Labour has elected. Foot was left (in comparison to say, Kinnock or Smith) but he was very much at the mainstream of the party at the time (he could have even been elected in 1976!). I've mentioned the parallels with IDS for the Tories: A membership favourite but not exactly popular with fellow MPs who represent a more mainstream position. The biggest impact could be in the Euro vote in 2017 should he last that long as he's a Eurosceptic and there hasn't been a Labour leader with that position since Foot. Then of course the Tories were more pro-European. Not so now. Prepare for Brexit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,420 Posted August 22, 2015 I don't think Corbyn will be a unifying figure. He'll actually be the most avowedly left-wing leader Labour has elected. Foot was left (in comparison to say, Kinnock or Smith) but he was very much at the mainstream of the party at the time (he could have even been elected in 1976!). I've mentioned the parallels with IDS for the Tories: A membership favourite but not exactly popular with fellow MPs who represent a more mainstream position. The biggest impact could be in the Euro vote in 2017 should he last that long as he's a Eurosceptic and there hasn't been a Labour leader with that position since Foot. Then of course the Tories were more pro-European. Not so now. Prepare for Brexit... Now that would be proper financial Armageddon, rather than some of the previously forecast ones in recent years. Though, if the EU ref has one of these results: a) UK votes out, but Scotland votes massively in favour of staying. UK votes to stay in narrowly, with Scotland votes keeping the rest in the EU. Then the resulting shitstorm will be very interesting. Clearly this is all setting the scene for Prime Minister Tim Farron... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat O'Falk 3,290 Posted August 22, 2015 Not sure about his corporeal chances but as leader he'll get 2 years tops before being moved aside a la Ian Duncan Smith and replaced by a union-sympathetic "safe pair of hands" Alan Johnson. It'll be Johnson v Johnson in the GE 2020... "Pun plunderer", "Blazing Saddles", "Johnson v Johnson"; you are a wag TMIB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,399 Posted August 22, 2015 (Corbyn) cycles everywhere (although in London that could also be a death sentence). I tried cycling in London once in the early 1990s. I obviously survived the experience, but it was a frightening one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,738 Posted August 22, 2015 (Corbyn) cycles everywhere (although in London that could also be a death sentence). I tried cycling in London once in the early 1990s. I obviously survived the experience, but it was a frightening one. Perhaps perversely I find provincial A roads far more terrifying. The average speed in London is now something like 8 mph. So long as one has learned to avoid certain well known suicidal manoeuvres* it's probably not as bad as it first appears. *Passing on the inside of a lorry that's about to turn left, particularly if there are railings... that kind of thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,399 Posted August 22, 2015 I tried cycling in London once in the early 1990s. I obviously survived the experience, but it was a frightening one.Perhaps perversely I find provincial A roads far more terrifying. The average speed in London is now something like 8 mph. So long as one has learned to avoid certain well known suicidal manoeuvres* it's probably not as bad as it first appears. *Passing on the inside of a lorry that's about to turn left, particularly if there are railings... that kind of thing. I ride a bike in a large city daily, so that kind of stunts I don´t even think of. That said, Dutch cities and country roads are pretty friendly to cyclists, most have cycling lanes. Most Dutch motorists are also cyclists, or at least they have been, so they tend to be aware of what cyclists do. That said, 570 people died in Dutch traffic in 2013, 184 of whom were cyclists, compared to 193 motorists. (Source CBS) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
En Passant 3,738 Posted August 22, 2015 I do both. It's getting better here, not fast enough, but better. And sure, any regular cyclist is probably aware of those kind of hazards. but as ever it's those that are not regular/experienced that constitute a large proportion of the deaths. I recall reading somewhere that of cyclists killed in London one recent year over half were cyclist/HGV and mostly could have been avoided had the cyclist better appreciated their visibility (or lack thereof) from a Lorry cab. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mad Hatter 1,092 Posted October 11, 2015 The business insider is running propaganda about how Jeremy corbyn is linked to the IRA . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Davey Jones' Locker 1,324 Posted January 17, 2016 I don't think Corbyn will be a unifying figure. He'll actually be the most avowedly left-wing leader Labour has elected. Foot was left (in comparison to say, Kinnock or Smith) but he was very much at the mainstream of the party at the time (he could have even been elected in 1976!). I've mentioned the parallels with IDS for the Tories: A membership favourite but not exactly popular with fellow MPs who represent a more mainstream position. The biggest impact could be in the Euro vote in 2017 should he last that long as he's a Eurosceptic and there hasn't been a Labour leader with that position since Foot. Then of course the Tories were more pro-European. Not so now. Prepare for Brexit... Now that would be proper financial Armageddon, rather than some of the previously forecast ones in recent years. Though, if the EU ref has one of these results: a) UK votes out, but Scotland votes massively in favour of staying. UK votes to stay in narrowly, with Scotland votes keeping the rest in the EU. Then the resulting shitstorm will be very interesting. Clearly this is all setting the scene for Prime Minister Tim Farron... "Widening support for the UK to leave the EU": http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-17/new-poll-show-widening-support-for-uk-to-leave-eu/7093730 ...followed by... "EU exit would lead to Scottish independence, says poll": http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/eu-exit-would-lead-to-scottish-independence-says-poll-1-4003304 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted January 17, 2016 I don't think Corbyn will be a unifying figure. He'll actually be the most avowedly left-wing leader Labour has elected. Foot was left (in comparison to say, Kinnock or Smith) but he was very much at the mainstream of the party at the time (he could have even been elected in 1976!). I've mentioned the parallels with IDS for the Tories: A membership favourite but not exactly popular with fellow MPs who represent a more mainstream position. The biggest impact could be in the Euro vote in 2017 should he last that long as he's a Eurosceptic and there hasn't been a Labour leader with that position since Foot. Then of course the Tories were more pro-European. Not so now. Prepare for Brexit... Now that would be proper financial Armageddon, rather than some of the previously forecast ones in recent years. Though, if the EU ref has one of these results: a) UK votes out, but Scotland votes massively in favour of staying. UK votes to stay in narrowly, with Scotland votes keeping the rest in the EU. Then the resulting shitstorm will be very interesting. Clearly this is all setting the scene for Prime Minister Tim Farron... "Widening support for the UK to leave the EU": http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-17/new-poll-show-widening-support-for-uk-to-leave-eu/7093730 ...followed by... "EU exit would lead to Scottish independence, says poll": http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/eu-exit-would-lead-to-scottish-independence-says-poll-1-4003304 I don't think Corbyn will be a unifying figure. He'll actually be the most avowedly left-wing leader Labour has elected. Foot was left (in comparison to say, Kinnock or Smith) but he was very much at the mainstream of the party at the time (he could have even been elected in 1976!). I've mentioned the parallels with IDS for the Tories: A membership favourite but not exactly popular with fellow MPs who represent a more mainstream position. The biggest impact could be in the Euro vote in 2017 should he last that long as he's a Eurosceptic and there hasn't been a Labour leader with that position since Foot. Then of course the Tories were more pro-European. Not so now. Prepare for Brexit... Now that would be proper financial Armageddon, rather than some of the previously forecast ones in recent years. Though, if the EU ref has one of these results: a) UK votes out, but Scotland votes massively in favour of staying. UK votes to stay in narrowly, with Scotland votes keeping the rest in the EU. Then the resulting shitstorm will be very interesting. Clearly this is all setting the scene for Prime Minister Tim Farron... "Widening support for the UK to leave the EU": http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-17/new-poll-show-widening-support-for-uk-to-leave-eu/7093730 ...followed by... "EU exit would lead to Scottish independence, says poll": http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/eu-exit-would-lead-to-scottish-independence-says-poll-1-4003304 Good............and fucking brilliant. Bring it on! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,505 Posted July 4, 2016 Quite an alehouse tan Jezza's working on here, I think we're about nine months from a "stepping down on medical grounds" if Owen Smith doesn't hit the panic button in the next few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
