msc 18,399 Posted July 27, 2016 We are now two deaths behind 2003 & 2013. Three behind 2015 & five behind 2008. Still ahead of mediocre year 2014. Someone on that list has to be looking a bit grim I wouldn't worry, Biblio. There are five months left, and a fair amount of low lying fruit as people put it. June 2015, December 2013, July 2007 are all examples of 4-5 people going in the one month, and September 2003 and March 2002 are good examples of 4 people going in the one week. We're never consistent on the when, but by December 31st the 2016 list will be on 10-14 hits like usual. As for looking grim...Havelange, MT Moore (no news lately), van der Westhuizen, Scales, Vera Lynn (allegedly in frail health), Leslie Philips, Pirsig (according to fellow forumers), Glen Campbell, Greaves, Banks, Noakes seem to be. And that's not counting the ancient, who are a good source of Deathlist success. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ImNotHades 207 Posted July 28, 2016 I see 2 more dead by the end of the year and no record broken. Better luck in 2017. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,520 Posted July 28, 2016 I am going to say three more. One from the remaining top five.Either Richard Adams or Peter Sallis and one UK sport related. Keeping my options open. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted August 7, 2016 This is an orphaned post of sorts, but this sort of thread is the best place for it, without a "Who should go on the 2017 list" thread, and please, no one start that in effing August. Spoiler tagged for stupidly long So the wean was up to all hours last night, which allowed me to do much of the donkeys work on this post. Each year we hear people say "Oh so and so should be on the list" and it made me wonder if we took the years and ages of every person in a profession to be on the Deathlist itself, could we then extrapolate the type of people who might be considered in 2017 and beyond? Almost certainly not, but never mind. So I collated a list of debuts on Deathlist, separated by professions, and with the age they were given on the front page for their debut. ie: Actors 1987 – Clive Dunn, 67 1987 – Kenneth Connor, 71 1987 – Stewart Granger, 74 1987 – Jimmy Stewart, 79 1987 – Beryl Reid, 67 1987 – John Gielgud, 79 1987 – Anna Wing, 73 1987 – Bette Davis, 79 1987 – Laurence Olivier, 80 1987 – Alec Guinness, 69 1989 – Wilfred Bramble, DEAD (77 if alive) 1989 – George Cole, 64 1989 – Jon Pertwee, 70 1989 – William Hartnell, DEAD (81 if alive) 1989 – Peter Cushing, 76 1990 – John Mills, 82 1990 – Terry-Thomas, 79 1990 – Peter Ustinov, 69 1990 – Jill Ireland, 54 1990 – Katharine Hepburn, 83 1990 – George Burns, 94 1990 – Greta Garbo, 85 1991 – Arthur Mullard, 79 1991 – Joan Sims, 61 1991 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, 74 1991 – Don Ameche, 83 1992 – Burt Lancaster, 79 1992 – Marlene Deitrich, 91 1993 – Doris Speed, 94 1993 – Audrey Hepburn, 64 1993 – Tony Curtis, 68 1993 – Bill Bixby, 59 1993 – Dean Martin, 76 1993 – Gretchen Franklin, 82 1994 – Simon Cadell, 44 1994 – Victor Mature, 81 1994 – Anne Kirkbride,40 1994 – Telly Savalas, 70 1995 – Ginger Rogers, 84 1995 – Paul Eddington, 68 1995 – Sean Connery, 65 1996 – Larry Hagman, 65 1996 – Mr T, 44 1996 – Marlon Brando, 72 1997 – Anthony Quinn, 78 1997 – Norman Wisdom, 82 1997 – Mickey Rooney, 77 1997 – Burgess Meredith, 89 1997 – Gregory Peck, 81 1997 – Kirk Douglas, 81 1997 – Thora Hird, 86 1998 – Joan Hickson, 88 1998 – Fay Wray, 91 1998 – Roy Rogers, 82 1998 – Anne Haddy, 68 1999 – Deryck Guyler, 81 1999 – Douglas Fairbanks Jr, 90 2000 – Dudley Moore, 65 2000 – Walter Matthau, 76 2000 – Karl Malden, 88 2001 – Liza Minelli, 55 2001 – Eli Wallach, 86 2002 – Buddy Ebson, 94 2003 – Harry Morgan, 88 2003 – Jack Palance, 83 2004 – Herbert Lom, 87 2005 – Al Lewis, 95 2005 – Elizabeth Taylor, 73 2005 – Jane Wyman, 91 2005 – James Dooham, 85 2005 – Olivia de Havilland, 89 (5266) 2006 – Charles Lane, 101 2006 – Charlton Heston, 82 2007 - Ernest Borgnine, 90 2007 – John Forsythe, 89 2007 – Al Molinaro, 88 2007 – Abe Vigoda, 86 2008 – Richard Widmark, 94 2008 – Jack Klugman, 86 2009 – Patrick Swayze, 57 2009 – Wendy Richard, 66 2009 – Christopher Lee, 87 2010 – Simon MacCorkindale, 58 2010 – Dennis Hopper, 74 2010 – Frank Thornton, 89 2010 – Richard Attenborough, 87 2010 – Angela Lansbury, 75 2010 – James Garner, 82 2011 – Geoffrey Hughes, 67 2011 – Bill Tarmey, 70 2011 – Michael Douglas, 67 2011 – Michael Gough, 95 2012 – Patrick Macnee, 90 2012 – Dick van Dyke, 87 2013 – Peter Sallis, 92 2013 – Doris Day, 91 2013 – Elaine Stritch, 88 2013 – Peter O’Toole, 81 2014 – Luise Rainer, 104 2014 – Valerie Harper, 75 2014 – Sid Caesar, 92 2014 – Lauren Bacall, 90 2014 – Ed Asner, 85 2015 – Maureen O’Hara, 95 2015 – Leslie Philips, 91 2015 – Ken Kercheval, 80 2015 – Leonard Nimoy, 84 2015 – Liz Smith, 94 2015 – Bill Maynard, 87 2016 – Mary Tyler Moore, 80 2016 – Prunella Scales, 84 (8626) Average – 1987-2016- 77.7 Average – 2006-2016 -84 Verdict: Modern Deathlist tends to go for the older actor. The average for 2012-2016 would be higher than even 84, as there has only been one acting type picked under the age of 80 since, and that was Valerie Harper. A glance suggests that the age of 87 is the lower limit for Age Related Picks, as the actors aged 80-84 who were picked, Ed Asner aside, all had health issues. That being Nimoy, Scales, Moore, and Kercheval and O'Toole's demons would count here too I guess. Otherwise, you are looking for people born 1930 and earlier for 2017. Survival Rate - 13/40 for debuts since 2006. Five Year Survival Rate (not including 2013-16 debutants): 26% Potential Deathlist future picks in next five years: Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery (returning), Andrew Sachs, Patricia Routledge, Mark Eden, Sidney Poitier, etc. Thoughts: The Deathlist committee have a nose for aged actresses about to snuff it. Maureen O'Hara, Lauren Bacall, Luise Rainer and Elaine Stitch all survived less than 20 months from their Deathlist debut. This is ominous news for Mary Tyler Moore and Prunella Scales, and indeed for Liz Smith. They like a thespian just turned 80 odd, with a history of ill health. Looking at those potentials for 2017 include Vanessa Redgrave, Jack Nicholson, and forum favourite Burt Reynolds as examples. There's always been a heavy flow of new thespians so at least 2 new spots in 2017 will be taken by them. Sports-related peoples 1987 - John Arlott, 73 (cricket) 1987 – Don Bradman, 75 (cricket) 1987 – Harold Larwood, 82 (cricket) 1987 – Fred Davis, 82 (snooker) 1987 – Andrea de Cesaris, 28, (F1) 1987 – Dan Maskell, 79 (tennis) 1987 – Fred Perry, 78 (tennis) 1989 – Frank Bruno, 28 (boxing) 1989 – Bobby Robson, 56 (football) 1989 – Mike Ditka, 50 (American football) 1989 – David Jenkins, 40 (athletics) 1989 – Jim Joel, 94 (horse owner) 1989 – Sugar Ray Robinson, 68 (boxer) 1990 – Peter Allis, 59 (cricket) 1990 – Rex Williams, 57 (snooker) 1991 – Brian Clough, 56 (football) 1991 – Denis Compton, 73 (cricket) 1991 – Leighton Rees, 50 (darts) 1991 – Bob Paisley, 72 (football) 1991 – Leo Beenhakker, 49 (football) 1991 – Stanley Matthews, 72 (football) 1992 – Peter West, 72 (cricket) 1992 – Kitty Godfree, 96 (tennis) 1992 – Joe Fagan, 71 (football) 1992 – Vincent O’Brien, 75 (horse trainer) 1992 – Tom Finney, 70 (football) 1993 – Arthur Ashe, 50 (tennis) 1993 – Ray Kennedy, 36 (football) 1993 – Alf Ramsey, 69 (football) 1994 – John Curry, 44 (ice skating) 1994 – Gene Sarazan, 88 (golf) 1994 – Red Auerbach, 77 (basketball) 1994 – Brian Johnston, 82 (cricket) 1994 – Helen Wills Moody, 84 (tennis) 1994 – Peter Shilton, 45 (football) 1995 – Joe DiMaggio, 77 (baseball) 1996 – Tim Gulliksson, 45 (tennis) 1996 – Wilf Mannion, 74 (football) 1998 – Bunny Austin, 88 (tennis) 1998 – Sam Snead, 86 (golf) 1999 – Max Schmeling, 94 (boxer) 2000 – Don Budge, 82, (tennis) 2001 – Byron Nelson, 89 (golf) 2002 – Alex Higgins, 54 (snooker) 2003 – Barry Sheene, 53 (motorcyclist) 2005 – Diego Maradona, 45 (football) 2005 – Jake Lamotta, 84 (boxer) 2005 – Peter O’Sullevan, 87 (horse racing) (3238) 2006 – Alfredo di Stefano, 80 (football) 2006 – Muhmmad Ali, 64 (boxer) 2008 – Basil D’Oliveira, 77 (cricket) 2009 – Seve Ballesteros, 52 (golf) 2010 – John Edrich, 73 (cricket) 2010 – Laurent Fignon, 50 (cyclist) 2013 – Henry Cecil, 70 (horse owner) 2014 – Joost van der Westhuizen, 43 (rugby) 2015 – Martin Crowe, 53 (cricket) 2016 – Lester Piggott, 81 (horse riding) 2016 – Murray Walker, 93 (motorsports) 2016 – Jimmy Greaves, 76 (football) 2016 – Gordon Banks, 79, (football) 2016 – Paul Gascoigne, 49 (football) (4178) average age 1987-2016 – 67.3 average age 2006-2016 – 72.3 Verdict: If I were any of the football trio of debuts for 2016, I'd be very worried. Deathlist has a strong streak in the last decade of picking out doomed sportsmen. The cancer riddden (or otherwise ailing) sportsperson has been a long standing vein of success for the Deathlist since its foundation. A mere 21% of all sports people picked prior to 2016 are still with us, and that includes some duff picks like Peter Shilton and Leo Beenhakker making that survival stat look more impressive than it is. Survival Rate (last decade) 6/13Not Counting 2016 - 2/8 Five Year Survival: 50% (figure improved by less chosen in last decade) Potential Future Picks: As this is sorted by people being seriously ill, hard to say. Nobby Stiles ought to have a good shout. I was wondering if the ailing Pakistian cricket captain might sneak on, but, whilst there is a steady stream of cricketers over the years, they tend to be from English speaking countries. I know sod all about cricket, though. The ALS thing gives Ricksen a shot. An opening for the 1966 English lot means I can see more of them showing up in future years. We're only just reaching the point where most of the name footballers of the 60s/70s are starting to reach old age. Commentators are a big area, but I don't know who is who in that realm anymore. Andrew Castle's a bit young...sadly. Sir Roger Bannisters a potential. Thoughts: In short, if you're ill, and you were in cricket or horse racing, you've got a good chance. Football (soccer) is on the rise, but there's also the odd golfer (though the only one in the last decade had a brain tumour) and boxing. Royalty/World Leaders 1987 – Queen Mother, 87 1987 – Ayatollah Khomeini, 86 1987 – Harold Wilson, 71 1987 – Ronald Reagan, 76 1989 – Nelson Mandela, 71 1989 – Ian Paisley, 63 1989 – Andreas Papandreou, 70 1990 – Manuel Noriega, 56 1990 – Queen Elizabeth II, 64 1990 – Kurt Waldheim, 72 1990 – Alexander Dubcek, 69 1990 – Boris Yeltsin, 59 1990 – Corazin Aquino, 57 1990 – Richard Nixon, 77 1991 – Saddam Hussein, 54 1991 – Deng Xiaoping, 89 1992 – Augusto Pinochet, 77 1992 – PW Botha, 76 1993 – Kim il Sung, 81 1993 – Erich Honecker, 81 1993 – Jim Callaghan, 81 1994 – Dr Hastings Banda, 92 1994 – Fidel Castro, 68 1994 – Yitzhak Shamir, 79 1994 – Idi Amin, 68 1994 – Alec Douglas-Home, 91 1995 – Francois Mitterand, 79 1995 – Prince Ranier, 72 1995 – Princess Alice, 94 1996 – Yassir Arafat, 67 1997 – President Mobutu, 67 1997 – Ted Heath, 81 1997 – Gerald Ford, 84 1998 - King Fahd, 66 1998 – Gen Jaruzelski, 75 1998 – Pol Pot, 64 1999 – King Hussain, 64 1999 – Vaclav Havel, 63 2001 – Queen Juliana, 92 2001 – Princess Margaret, 70 2002 – Charles Haughey, 77 2002 – Suharto, 81 2003 – King Taufa-ahau Tupou, 84 2004 – General Musharraf, 62 2004 – Dom Mintoff, 88 2004 – Robert Mugabe, 80 2005 – Hamed Karzai, 48 (3482) 2006 – Abdelaziz Bouteflika, 69 2006 – Margaret Thatcher, 81 2007 – Ariel Sharon, 79 2007 – Ian Smith, 89 2008 – Charles Taylor, 60 2009 – Kim Jong Il, 68 2011 – Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, 72 2011 – Helmut Schmidt, 93 2012 – Bhumibol Adulyadej, 85 2012 – Hosni Mubarak, 84 2013 – Hugo Chavez, 59 2013 - George Bush Sr, 89 2013 – Gough Whitlam, 97 2015 – Helmut Kohl, 85 2016 – Jimmy Carter, 92 2016 – Jacques Chirac, 84 (4768) average 1987-2016 – 75.6 average 2006-2016 – 80.3 Verdict: Another steady line of Deathlist picks. It seems if you were in charge of a big enough country, and you live long enough, you'll find your spot at some time. Though outwith the US/UK, it does help to be noteworthy. Valery d'Estang is pushing 90, but who remembers him? World Leaders tend to have staying power. Once they make the list, they tend to bed sit until they snuff it. Survival rate (2006-15): 7/14 Five Year Survival rate (1987-2012) - 66% Possible Future Picks: Assad should he reach 2030 and the game is still afoot. On the Gough Whitlam precedent, Bob Hawke might need to survive another 8 years to make the list, and the gossip is that might be some ask. 84 is the youngest age for health ex-Presidents, so some time before Bush Jr, Clinton and Obama trouble the list. Although Bill might on health grounds at some point. Ditto our relatively young alumni Prime Ministers. Jalal Talabani, Mahmoud Abbas, Gorbachev, Raul Castro, and Liam Cosgrave are the types of people who might show up on future Deathlists. Non-Statesman Politicos 1989 – Cyril Smith, 61 (then – affable fat man. Now – probable dead paedo) 1990 – Lord Denning, 87 (mad judge) 1991 – Sir Michael Havers, 68 (Attorney general) 1991 – Lord Hailsham 80 (former Tory leadership candidate) 1991 – Willie Whitelaw, 71 (former Deputy PM) 1991 – John Smith, 53 (then Shadow Chancellor) 1993 – Henry Kissinger, 70 (diplomat) 1993 – Michael Foot, 80 (former Labour leader) 1994 – Jeremy Thorpe, 65 (former Liberal leader) 1996 – Julian Critchley, 66 (former MP) 1996 – Barbara Castle, 86 (Labour big wig) 1999 – Lord Scarman, 88 2003 – Strom Thurmond, 101 2005 – William Rehnquist, 81 2005 – Betty Ford, 87 2006 – Lady Bird Johnson, 94 2006 – John Profumo, 91 2006 – Caspar Weinberger, 89 2007 – Tim Johnson, 61 2008 – Elizabeth Edwards, 59 2008 – Jesse Helms, 87 2008 – Francis Pym, 86 2009 – Edward Kennedy, 77 2009 – Nancy Reagan, 88 2010 – Denis Healey, 93 2011 – Bob Dole, 88 2011 – Dick Cheney, 70 2012 – Nigel Lawson, 80 2012 – Tariq Aziz, 76 2012 – Saif al-islam Gaddafi, 40 2013 – Mikhail Kalashnikov, 94 2013 – Prince Philip, 92 2014 – Chris Woodhead, 68 2014 – Lord Carrington, 95 2014 – Javier Perez de Cuellar, 94 2016 – Boutros Boutros-Ghali, 94 Verdict: The politicos who weren't world leaders. Tends to start at 88 these days unless health conditions known. Survival Rate (2006-15) - 40% Five Year Survival: 46% Possible future Picks: Betty Boothroyd, Walter Mondale. There's also Barbara Bush, who will be 92 next year after all. Art 1987 – Salvador Dali, 83 1997 – Henri Cartier-Bresson, 90 (photography) 2000 – Charles Schultz, 78 (cartoonist) 2001 – William Hanna, 89 (cartoonist) 2002 – Chuck Jones, 90 (cartoonist) 2002 – Joseph Barbera, 91 (cartoonist) 2002 – Oscar Niemeyer, 95 (architect) 2009 – Pierre Cardin, 87 2011 – Bob Godfrey, 90 (cartoonist) 2013 – Stan Lee, 91 (comics) Verdict: This is not my area of expertise. Survival Rate: 20% Five Year: 33% Potential Future Picks: Err... I.M. Pei? Steve Ditko? TV personalities 1987 – Johnny Morris, 67 (kids entertainer) 1987 – Les Dawson, 56 (comic) 1987 – Bob Hope, 84 (comic) 1987 – Jimmy Saville, 61 1989 – Magnus Pyke, 81 (wacky scientist) 1989 – Jacques Costeau, 79 (marine) 1989 – Stanley Unwin, 78 (inventor of a nonsense language) 1989 – Malcolm Muggeridge, 86 (professional TV Devils Advocate) 1989 – Kenneth Kendall, 65 (newsreader) 1990 – Ronnie Barker, 61 (comic) 1990 – Oprah Winfrey, 36 1991 – Patrick Moore, 68 (astronomer) 1991 – Bernard Manning, 61 (fat comic) 1992 – Glyn Worsnip, 47 (tv presenter) 1992 – Arthur Marshall, 82 1992 – Jack Hargreaves, 81 (tv presenter) 1992 – Robert Dougall, 79 (newsreader) 1992 – Walter Cronkite, 76 (newsreader) 1993 – Victor Borge, 80 (comic) 1993 – Roy Castle, 61 (tv presenter) 1993 – Frank Muir, 73 1993 – Eric Sykes, 70 (comic) 1995 – Richard Pryor, 55 (comic) 1995 – Bruce Forsyth, 67 (presenter) 1998 – Spike Milligan, 80 1999 – Helen Rollasson, 40 (presenter) 1999 – Ernie Wise, 70 (comic) 2001 – Milton Berle, 93 (comic) 2001 – Harry Secombe, 76 2003 – Johnny Carson, 78 2004 – Rodney Dangerfield, 83 (comic) 2004 – Cliff Michelmore, 85 (tv presenter) 2005 – Jerry Lewis, 79 (comic) 2007 – Roddy Piper, 53 (wrestler) 2009 – Ludovic Kennedy, 90 2009 – Robert Novak, 78 2010 – Frank Bough, 77 2010 – Denis Norden, 88 2012 – James Randi, 84 (magician) 2013 – Clive James, 74 2014 – Sam Simon, 59 2014 – Casey Kasem, 82 2014 – Shaw Taylor, 90 2015 – Jake Roberts, 60 2015 – Eddie Large, 74 2016 – Tommy Chong, 78 2016 – Sandy Gall, 89 2016 – John Noakes, 82 Thoughts: That's a right hodge podge of ages and reasons. Survival: 50% Five Year: 53% Potential Future Picks: Bernard Cribbins. Writers 1987 – Barbara Cartland, 82 1993 – Charles Bukowski, 73 1993 – William Burroughs, 79 1994 – Catherine Cookson, 83 1994 – Hunter S Thompson, 57 1994 – Edmund White, 54 1995 – Geoffrey Dickens, 85 1995 – Arthur C Clarke, 78 1996 – Muriel Spark, 78 1996 – EW Swanton, 85 1996 – Bill Deedes, 83 1998 – Arthur Miller, 83 1998 – Alexander Solzhenitsyn, 80 2000 – John Diamond, 50 2001 – Brother Theodore, 93 2001 – Mary Wesley, 88 2001 – Chapman Pincher, 87 2001 – Herman Wouk, 86 2002 – Clement Stone, 100 2002 – Claude Levi-Strauss, 94 2006 – Stanley Kunitz, 101 2006 – Harold Pinter, 76 2006 – JD Salinger, 87 2007 – Gore Vidal, 82 2010 – Ray Bradbury, 90 2011 – Diana Wynne Jones, 77 2011 – Harlan Ellison, 77 2012 – Harper Lee, 86 2012 – PD James, 92 2013 – Richard Adams, 93 2014 – Terry Pratchett, 66 2016 – Robert M Pirsig, 88 Thoughts: Not enough of them. Although if they do get picked, best to read about them fast. Survival: 4/31 (12%, from 1987-2016) Five Year Survival: 44% Future Picks: Short of Ill Health, Writers don't tend to show up until 90 or later. So a few years yet before Colin Dexter, John le Carre or the like turn up. Otherwise, there is Judith Kerr. Musicians/Singers 1987 – Andre Segovia, 93 (guitarist) 1987 – Yehudi Menuhin, 71 (violinist) 1987 – Ozzy Osbourne, 39, (Ozzy Osbourne) 1987 – Paul McCartney, 45 (any one Beatle) 1987 – George Harrison, 43 (any one Beatle) 1987 – Ringo Starr, 47 (any one Beatle) 1989 – George Melly, 63 (jazz) 1989 – Brian Wilson, 47 (Beach Boys) 1989 – Stefan Grappelli, 81 (jazz) 1989 – Marti Caine, 44 1990 – Charles Aznavour, 66 1990 – Frank Sinatra, 71 1992 – Perry Como, 76 1992 – Shaun Ryder, 30 (Happy Mondays) 1993 – Tony Bennett, 67 1993 – John Lee Hooker, 71 1993 – George Chisholm, 78 1993 – Jerry Garcia, 51 1993 – Jerry Lee Lewis, 58 1994 – Holly Johnson, 34 (Frankie Goes to Hollywood) 1996 – Fats Domino, 68 1999 – Ian Dury, 50 1999 – Frankie Laine, 87 1999 – Carly Simon, 54 2000 – Johnny Cash, 68 2000 – Artie Shaw, 90 2002 – Lionel Hampton, 93 2002 – Benny Carter, 95 2003 – Warren Zevon, 56 2005 – Tony Martin, 92 2005 – Les Paul, 90 2006 – Lou Rawls, 71 2006 – Vera Lynn, 89 2008 – Russel Watson, 42 2008- Bo Diddley, 80 2008 – Levi Stubbs, 72 2008 – Captain Beefheart, 67 2009 – Ravi Shankhar, 89 2009 – BB King, 84 2010 – Peter Tork, 68 2011 – Gerry Rafferty, 64 2011 – Aretha Franklin, 69 2011 – Patty Andrews, 93 2011 – Fergie Frederiksen, 60 2012 – Etta James, 74 2012 – Robin Gibb, 63 2012 – Chuck Berry, 86 2013 – Bernie Nolan, 53 2013 – Reg Presley, 72 2013 – Pete Seeger, 94 2014 – Wilko Johnson, 67 2016 – Glen Campbell, 80 Thoughts: They tend to show up for health reasons. Pete Seeger is the only one in the last 5 years who debuted due to being ancient. Name music people or really ill relatively known ones, and if you can mix those two... Survival: 33% Five Year Survival: 48% (rating improved by counting Any One Beatle as one...) Potential Future Picks: Any big star who gets terminal cancer. Age wise, Leonard Cohen in a few years. Others for Completeness (AKA when I got bored typing all this out) Spooks, Terrors and Other Suits 1989 – Peter Wright, 72 (Spycatcher) 2002 – Osama Bin Laden, 45 2002 – Joseph Bonanno, 97 2007 – Mark Felt, 94 2009 – Al Megrahi, 57 Radio folk 1989 – Ray Moore, 55 (presenter) 1991 – Alistair Cooke, 83 1995 – Kenny Everett, 50 2013 – Nicholas Parsons, 90 Business types 1989 – Lew Grade, 79 (TV big wig) 1992 – Bert Millichip, 78 (FA boss) 1995 – Fred Pontin, 89 (entrepreneur) 2000 – John Paul Getty Jr, 68 2001 – Estee Lauder, 95 2001 – Ernest Gallo, 92 (wine maker) 2005 – Brooke Astor, 103 (philanthropist) 2007 – Jack Kevorkian, 79 (euthanasia enthusiast) 2009 – Joao Havelange, 93 (IoC) 2009 – George Steinbrenner, 79 (NY Yankees owner) 2015 – Kirk Kerkorian, 98 2016 – Doug Ellis, 92 Directors/Producers/Behind the Camera 1989 – Derek Jarman, 47 (director) 1997 – Billy Wilder, 91 (director) 2000 – Leni Riefenstahl, 98 (director) 2001 – Elia Kazan, 92 2001 – Stanley Kramer, 84 2006 – Ingmar Bergman, 88 2006 – Dino de Laurentiis, 88 2006 – Aaron Spelling, 83 2008 – Sydney Pollack, 74 2008 – Blake Edwards, 86 2013 – Michael Winner, 78 Religious Types 1990 – Mother Theresa, 80 1990 – Pope John Paul II, 70 2000 – Louis Farrakhan, 68 2001 – Desmond Tutu, 69 2002 – Maharishi Yogi, 91 2005 – Sister Lucia, 98 2006 – Billy Graham 88 2007 – Ruby Muhammad, 110 2007 – Tammy Faye Messner, 65 2007 – Oral Roberts, 89 Others 1990 – Mary Whitehouse, 76 (Outraged of Tunbridge Wells) 1990 – Terry Waite, 51, (hostage) 1991 – Norman Willis, 60 (trade unionist) 1991 – Len Murray, 71 (trade unionist) 1992 – Dilys Powell, 91 (film critic) 1992 – Red Rum, 27, (horse) 1992 – Red Adair, 77 (fireman) 1992 – Lord Goodman, 72 (lawyer) 1993 – Rudolph Nureyev, 55 (ballet) 1993 – John Demjanjuk, 73 (Nazi) 1993 – Rose Kennedy, 103 (matriarch) 1993 – George Lineker, unborn child 1993 – Quentin Crisp, 81 (naked civil servant) 1994 – Jackie Mann, 89 (hostage) 1994 – Denis Thatcher, 79 (spouse) 1994 – Jeffrey Bernard, 62 (professional drunk) 1995 – Edmund Hillary, 76 (mountaineer) 1995 – Stan Flashma, 55 (tout) 1996 – Timothy Leary, 76 (drugs) 1996 – Lord Longford, 91 (permissive society) 1997 – James Earl Ray, 68 (assassin) 1998 – Hardy Amies, 89 (dress maker) 1998 – Simon Wiesenthal, 90 (Nazi hunter) 1999 – Evel Knievel, 61 (stuntman) 1999 – Nick Leeson, 32 (jail) 1999 – Milton Freidman, 87 (economist) 1999 – Thor Heyerdahl, 85 (explorer) 2000 – Ninette de Valois, 98 (ballet) 2000 – Ronnie Biggs, 71 (Deathlist Ambassador) 2001 – Jack Jones, 88 (trade unionist) 2002 – Albert Hoffman, 96 (creator of LSD) 2002 – Ian Brady, 64 (child murderer) 2002 – Edward Teller, 94 (Atom Bomb inventor) 2002 – JK Galbraith, 94 (economist) 2005 – Rosa Parks, 92 (civil rights) 2005 – Claire Rayner, 75 (Agony Aunt) 2009 – Susan Atkins, 61 (murderer) 2009 – Dai Llewellyn, 63 (socialite) 2010 – Erich Priebke, 97 (Nazi) 2013 – Stephen Hawking, 70 2015 – John Forbes Nash, 87 (economist) There's other things you can extrapolate from the data lined out like that, but that can wait for another day or person. One thing it does remind - years do even themselves out over the course, so we can expect at least four more deaths before the end of the year. Also, the Committee tend to react to underperforming years. So if 2016 does underperform, the 2017 Deathlist will be a cracker. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted August 9, 2016 People with 5 or more appearances on the Deathlist: 16 – Clive Dunn 14 – Kirk Douglas, Ronald Reagan, Queen Mother 13 – Fidel Castro, Ronnie Biggs, Bob Hope, 12 – Jake Lamotta, Eli Wallach, Pope John Paul II 11 – Michael Foot, Kurt Waldheim, Katharine Hepburn, Barbara Cartland 10 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rev Billy Graham, Gen. Pinochet, John Mills, Alistair Cooke, Don Bradman 9 – Olivia de Havilland, Oscar Niemeyer, Yitzhak Shamir, John Demjanjuk, Princess Alice, John Gielgud, Lord Denning 8- Vera Lynn, Fats Domino, Chapman Pincher, Mickey Rooney, Nelson Mandela, Herbert Lom, Patrick Moore, Simon Wiesenthal, Jim Callaghan, Red Adair, Jacques Cousteau 7 – Al Molinaro, Norman Wisdom, Claude Levi-Strauss, Karl Malden, Albert Hofmann, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Max Schmeling, Fay Wray, Boris Yeltsin, Alec Guiness, Deng Xiaoping, Jimmy Stewart, George Burns 6 – Denis Healey, Peter O’Sullevan, Margaret Thatcher, Eric Sykes, Ariel Sharon, Betty Ford, Ernest Gallo, Gerald Ford, PW Botha, Lord Longford, Frank Sinatra, Mother Theresa 5 – Joao Havelange, Herman Wouk, Nancy Reagan, Henry Kissinger, Helmut Schmidt, Jerry Lewis, Ian Brady, Anna Wing, Elizabeth Taylor, Dom Mintoff, Dino de Laurentiis, Cyril Smith, Suharto, Bill Deedes, Joseph Barbera, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Lord Scarman, Hardy Amies, Thora Hird, Billy Wilder, Lord Hailsham, Gene Sarazan, Helen Wills Moody, Catherine Cookson, Glyn Worsnip, Harold Larwood, Derek Jarman Biggest Misses Patrick Moore (8 appearances) d. 2012 Boris Yeltsin (7 appearances) d. 2007 Alec Guinness (7 appearances) d. 2000 Ariel Sharon (6 appearances) d. 2014 Dom Mintoff (5 appearances) d. 2012 Biggest Possible Miss in 2016 Jerry Lewis or Ian Brady (5 appearances) Number of People with 5 or more appearances per year: 1993 – 2 (Dunn, Queen Mother) 1994 – 6 (Jarman, Burns, Queen Mother, Cartland, Cousteau, Dunn) 1995 - 12 (Xiaoping, Burns, Gielgud, Cartland, Larwood, M Theresa, Reagan, Queen Mother, J Stewart, Denning, Cousteau, Hope) 1996 – 11 (Xiaoping, Burns, Cartland, Denning, Queen Mother, Reagan, J Stewart, Worsnip, Bradman, Cousteau, Hope) 1997 – 17 (Xiaoping, M Theresa, Queen Mother, Sinatra, Reagan, Pinochet, Cousteau, J Stewart, Gielgud, Hope, Guiness, Cartland, Denning, Bradman, Hepburn, Dunn, Adair) 1998 – 16 (Pope, Yeltsin, Queen Mother, Sinatra, Reagan, Gielgud, Cartland, Denning, Hope, Moody, Cookson, Bradman, Guinness, Adair, Waldheim, Hepburn) 1999 - 14 (Pope, Yeltsin, Queen Mother, Reagan, Gielgud, Cartland, Denning, Hope, Bradman, Guinness, Sarazan, Cooke, Hepburn, Pinochet) 2000 – 15 (Queen Mother, Pope, Yeltsin, Reagan, Gieldgud, Cartland, Hope, Bradman, Longford, Cooke, Hepburn, Pinochet, Alice, Dunn, Mills) 2001 – 11 (Bradman, Queen Mother, Hope, Alice, Longford, Hepburn, Hailsham, Cooke, Mills, Pope, Reagan) 2002 – 13 (Queen Mother, Hope, Wilder, Alice, Hepburn, Wray, Cooke, Wiesenthal, Pope, Reagan, Mills, Callaghan, Waldheim) 2003 - 15 (Hope, Pope, Schmeling, Alice, Wray, Hepburn, Cooke, Mills, Wiesenthal, Amies, Reagan, Hird, Callaghan, Adair, Waldheim) 2004 – 17 (Pope, Wray, Schemling, Reagan, Wiesenthal, Foot, Alice, Mills, Cartier-Bresson, Cooke, Scarman, Callaghan, Adair, Pinochet, Waldheim, Rooney, Dunn) 2005 – 11 (Pope, Biggs, Schmeling, Wiesenthal, Mills, Callaghan, Ford, Foot, Pinochet, Botha, Waldheim) 2006 – 13 (Biggs, Hofmann, Gallo, Moore, Barbera, Ford, Foot, Botha, Waldheim, Solzhenitsyn, Rooney, Pinochet, Dunn) 2007 – 15 (Castro, Hofmann, Foot, Biggs, Levi-Strauss, Gallo, Deedes, Malden, Wallach, Douglas, Solzhenitsyn, Waldheim, Demjanjuk, Moore, Dunn) 2008 - 16 (Hofmann, Biggs, Niemeyer, Levi-Strauss, Wisdom, Foot, Castro, Malden, Wallach, Shamir, Solzhenitsyn, Douglas, Demjanjuk Suharto, Moore, Dunn) 2009 – 16 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Levi-Strauss, Foot, Malden, Wallach, Castro, Wisdom, Shamir, Douglas, Lom, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Rooney, Moore, Dunn) 2010 – 18 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Foot, Wallach, Wisdom, Castro, Douglas, Shamir, Ford, Lom, Graham, de Laurentiis, Mandela, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Sykes, Smith, Dunn) 2011 – 15 (Biggs, Gabor, Niemeyer, Douglas, Shamir, Ford, Lamotta, Taylor, Pincher, Wallach, Mandela, Mintoff, Lom, Sharon, Dunn) 2012 – 19 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Wallach, Douglas, Gabor, Graham, Pincher, Shamir, de Havilland, Lom, Thatcher, Castro, Mandela, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Sykes, Domino, Sharon, Dunn) 2013 – 14 (Biggs, Pincher, Gabor, Wallach, Mandela, Douglas, de Havilland, Castro, Lynn, Thatcher, Graham, Molinaro, Lamotta, Domino) 2014 – 16 (Graham, Wallach, Gabor, Pincher, De Havilland, Healey, Castro, Lynn, O’Sullevan, Douglas, Molinaro, Rooney, Lamotta, Lewis, Domino, Brady) 2015 – 11 (Gabor, Graham, De Havilland, Healey, Schmidt, Castro, Douglas, Molinaro, O’Sullevan, Lamotta, Lynn) 2016 - 12 (Gabor, Havelange, de Havilland, Graham, Wouk, Douglas, Reagan, Kissinger, Lynn, Castro, Domino, lamotta) 2017 (potentially 19 – (Gabor, Havelange, de Havilland, Graham, Wouk, Douglas, Sallis, Prince Philip, James, Dole, Kissinger, Bush Sr, Lynn, Castro, Domino, Lamotta, Norden, Brady, Lewis) Deaths of People with 5 or more appearances on Deathlist per year: 1994 - 1 1995 - 1 1996 - 2 1997 - 4 1998 - 3 1999 - 2 2000 - 2 2001 - 3 2002 - 2 2003 - 4 2004 - 7 2005 - 5 2006 - 4 2007 - 3 2008 - 3 2009 - 2 2010 - 4 2011 - 2 2012 - 6 2013 - 4 2014 - 3 2015 - 4 2016 - 1 (so far) So does the numbers back up my Logjam theory, in which people who hang on the list for years tend to go in sudden bursts? Well, yes and no. Obviously, everytime someone goes, others build up their number of appearances, so the culls never look as impressive in the stats as they might do otherwise. However, it is evident that the last two times the "always theres" got so high in number, law of averages brought on a spring cleaning from the Reaper soon after. So it is my current theory, based on precedent, that if nothing much happens in the next four months, at least a good half dozen will fall in 2017 from the list below. 14 – Kirk Douglas, 13 – Fidel Castro, 12 – Jake Lamotta, 10 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rev Billy Graham, 9 – Olivia de Havilland, 8- Vera Lynn, Fats Domino, 5 – Joao Havelange, Herman Wouk, Henry Kissinger, Jerry Lewis, Ian Brady, (potential 5s) – Sallis, Prince Philip, C James, Dole, Bush Sr, Norden, And now, if you don't mind, I have a meeting to catch at Bibliogryphon's Listaholics Anonymous... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,520 Posted August 10, 2016 People with 5 or more appearances on the Deathlist: 16 – Clive Dunn 14 – Kirk Douglas, Ronald Reagan, Queen Mother 13 – Fidel Castro, Ronnie Biggs, Bob Hope, 12 – Jake Lamotta, Eli Wallach, Pope John Paul II 11 – Michael Foot, Kurt Waldheim, Katharine Hepburn, Barbara Cartland 10 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rev Billy Graham, Gen. Pinochet, John Mills, Alistair Cooke, Don Bradman 9 – Olivia de Havilland, Oscar Niemeyer, Yitzhak Shamir, John Demjanjuk, Princess Alice, John Gielgud, Lord Denning 8- Vera Lynn, Fats Domino, Chapman Pincher, Mickey Rooney, Nelson Mandela, Herbert Lom, Patrick Moore, Simon Wiesenthal, Jim Callaghan, Red Adair, Jacques Cousteau 7 – Al Molinaro, Norman Wisdom, Claude Levi-Strauss, Karl Malden, Albert Hofmann, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Max Schmeling, Fay Wray, Boris Yeltsin, Alec Guiness, Deng Xiaoping, Jimmy Stewart, George Burns 6 – Denis Healey, Peter O’Sullevan, Margaret Thatcher, Eric Sykes, Ariel Sharon, Betty Ford, Ernest Gallo, Gerald Ford, PW Botha, Lord Longford, Frank Sinatra, Mother Theresa 5 – Joao Havelange, Herman Wouk, Nancy Reagan, Henry Kissinger, Helmut Schmidt, Jerry Lewis, Ian Brady, Anna Wing, Elizabeth Taylor, Dom Mintoff, Dino de Laurentiis, Cyril Smith, Suharto, Bill Deedes, Joseph Barbera, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Lord Scarman, Hardy Amies, Thora Hird, Billy Wilder, Lord Hailsham, Gene Sarazan, Helen Wills Moody, Catherine Cookson, Glyn Worsnip, Harold Larwood, Derek Jarman Biggest Misses Patrick Moore (8 appearances) d. 2012 Boris Yeltsin (7 appearances) d. 2007 Alec Guinness (7 appearances) d. 2000 Ariel Sharon (6 appearances) d. 2014 Dom Mintoff (5 appearances) d. 2012 Biggest Possible Miss in 2016 Jerry Lewis or Ian Brady (5 appearances)Number of People with 5 or more appearances per year: 1993 – 2 (Dunn, Queen Mother) 1994 – 6 (Jarman, Burns, Queen Mother, Cartland, Cousteau, Dunn) 1995 - 12 (Xiaoping, Burns, Gielgud, Cartland, Larwood, M Theresa, Reagan, Queen Mother, J Stewart, Denning, Cousteau, Hope) 1996 – 11 (Xiaoping, Burns, Cartland, Denning, Queen Mother, Reagan, J Stewart, Worsnip, Bradman, Cousteau, Hope) 1997 – 17 (Xiaoping, M Theresa, Queen Mother, Sinatra, Reagan, Pinochet, Cousteau, J Stewart, Gielgud, Hope, Guiness, Cartland, Denning, Bradman, Hepburn, Dunn, Adair) 1998 – 16 (Pope, Yeltsin, Queen Mother, Sinatra, Reagan, Gielgud, Cartland, Denning, Hope, Moody, Cookson, Bradman, Guinness, Adair, Waldheim, Hepburn) 1999 - 14 (Pope, Yeltsin, Queen Mother, Reagan, Gielgud, Cartland, Denning, Hope, Bradman, Guinness, Sarazan, Cooke, Hepburn, Pinochet) 2000 – 15 (Queen Mother, Pope, Yeltsin, Reagan, Gieldgud, Cartland, Hope, Bradman, Longford, Cooke, Hepburn, Pinochet, Alice, Dunn, Mills) 2001 – 11 (Bradman, Queen Mother, Hope, Alice, Longford, Hepburn, Hailsham, Cooke, Mills, Pope, Reagan) 2002 – 13 (Queen Mother, Hope, Wilder, Alice, Hepburn, Wray, Cooke, Wiesenthal, Pope, Reagan, Mills, Callaghan, Waldheim) 2003 - 15 (Hope, Pope, Schmeling, Alice, Wray, Hepburn, Cooke, Mills, Wiesenthal, Amies, Reagan, Hird, Callaghan, Adair, Waldheim) 2004 – 17 (Pope, Wray, Schemling, Reagan, Wiesenthal, Foot, Alice, Mills, Cartier-Bresson, Cooke, Scarman, Callaghan, Adair, Pinochet, Waldheim, Rooney, Dunn) 2005 – 11 (Pope, Biggs, Schmeling, Wiesenthal, Mills, Callaghan, Ford, Foot, Pinochet, Botha, Waldheim) 2006 – 13 (Biggs, Hofmann, Gallo, Moore, Barbera, Ford, Foot, Botha, Waldheim, Solzhenitsyn, Rooney, Pinochet, Dunn) 2007 – 15 (Castro, Hofmann, Foot, Biggs, Levi-Strauss, Gallo, Deedes, Malden, Wallach, Douglas, Solzhenitsyn, Waldheim, Demjanjuk, Moore, Dunn) 2008 - 16 (Hofmann, Biggs, Niemeyer, Levi-Strauss, Wisdom, Foot, Castro, Malden, Wallach, Shamir, Solzhenitsyn, Douglas, Demjanjuk Suharto, Moore, Dunn) 2009 – 16 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Levi-Strauss, Foot, Malden, Wallach, Castro, Wisdom, Shamir, Douglas, Lom, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Rooney, Moore, Dunn) 2010 – 18 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Foot, Wallach, Wisdom, Castro, Douglas, Shamir, Ford, Lom, Graham, de Laurentiis, Mandela, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Sykes, Smith, Dunn) 2011 – 15 (Biggs, Gabor, Niemeyer, Douglas, Shamir, Ford, Lamotta, Taylor, Pincher, Wallach, Mandela, Mintoff, Lom, Sharon, Dunn) 2012 – 19 (Biggs, Niemeyer, Wallach, Douglas, Gabor, Graham, Pincher, Shamir, de Havilland, Lom, Thatcher, Castro, Mandela, Demjanjuk, Lamotta, Sykes, Domino, Sharon, Dunn) 2013 – 14 (Biggs, Pincher, Gabor, Wallach, Mandela, Douglas, de Havilland, Castro, Lynn, Thatcher, Graham, Molinaro, Lamotta, Domino) 2014 – 16 (Graham, Wallach, Gabor, Pincher, De Havilland, Healey, Castro, Lynn, O’Sullevan, Douglas, Molinaro, Rooney, Lamotta, Lewis, Domino, Brady) 2015 – 11 (Gabor, Graham, De Havilland, Healey, Schmidt, Castro, Douglas, Molinaro, O’Sullevan, Lamotta, Lynn) 2016 - 12 (Gabor, Havelange, de Havilland, Graham, Wouk, Douglas, Reagan, Kissinger, Lynn, Castro, Domino, lamotta) 2017 (potentially 19 – (Gabor, Havelange, de Havilland, Graham, Wouk, Douglas, Sallis, Prince Philip, James, Dole, Kissinger, Bush Sr, Lynn, Castro, Domino, Lamotta, Norden, Brady, Lewis) Deaths of People with 5 or more appearances on Deathlist per year: 1994 - 1 1995 - 1 1996 - 2 1997 - 4 1998 - 3 1999 - 2 2000 - 2 2001 - 3 2002 - 2 2003 - 4 2004 - 7 2005 - 5 2006 - 4 2007 - 3 2008 - 3 2009 - 2 2010 - 4 2011 - 2 2012 - 6 2013 - 4 2014 - 3 2015 - 4 2016 - 1 (so far) So does the numbers back up my Logjam theory, in which people who hang on the list for years tend to go in sudden bursts? Well, yes and no. Obviously, everytime someone goes, others build up their number of appearances, so the culls never look as impressive in the stats as they might do otherwise. However, it is evident that the last two times the "always theres" got so high in number, law of averages brought on a spring cleaning from the Reaper soon after. So it is my current theory, based on precedent, that if nothing much happens in the next four months, at least a good half dozen will fall in 2017 from the list below. 14 – Kirk Douglas, 13 – Fidel Castro, 12 – Jake Lamotta, 10 – Zsa Zsa Gabor, Rev Billy Graham, 9 – Olivia de Havilland, 8- Vera Lynn, Fats Domino, 5 – Joao Havelange, Herman Wouk, Henry Kissinger, Jerry Lewis, Ian Brady, (potential 5s) – Sallis, Prince Philip, C James, Dole, Bush Sr, Norden, And now, if you don't mind, I have a meeting to catch at Bibliogryphon's Listaholics Anonymous... Mate the meetings aren't going to be able to deal with that. It is straight to the list Priory for you. 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weebl 216 Posted August 12, 2016 My main thought at the moment is that it's been really quiet for big name deaths since Muhammad Ali. The period between Lemmy's death and Ali's death was one in which famous people died at a ferocious pace. There were so many famous people that died during that period, and only 6/50 on the official Deathlist? Pathetic. Some really obvious picks have been left off lists in recent years (Sir Nicholas Winton, Howard Marks) - are the committee amateurs or something? Can I choose who the official Deathlist should consist of next year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weebl 216 Posted August 12, 2016 I see 2 more dead by the end of the year and no record broken. Better luck in 2017. Yeah, it's crap this year. Total shite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,520 Posted August 12, 2016 It is two years ago todat that Lauren Baccall became the sixth hit for the 2014 Deathlist which went on to acheive a mediocre 10 deaths. The next death was 31 days later so we have until the middle of September to get ahead. There is still some low hanging fruit on the list but I have gone a fortnight without a hit on my 1000 name Longlist so we do seem to be in a death drought. We might get a deluge before the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted August 12, 2016 It is two years ago todat that Lauren Baccall became the sixth hit for the 2014 Deathlist which went on to acheive a mediocre 10 deaths. The next death was 31 days later so we have until the middle of September to get ahead. There is still some low hanging fruit on the list but I have gone a fortnight without a hit on my 1000 name Longlist so we do seem to be in a death drought. We might get a deluge before the end. Some months ago it seemed we were in the Golden Age of Death. Then we found out the Reaper was simply doped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,075 Posted August 12, 2016 It ain't over till it's over, peeps. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Happy Reaper 223 Posted August 13, 2016 At the risk of somebody complaining that this question is in the wrong place... What's the significance of a person's position on the deathlist? I thought it was either random or determined by the number of votes they got when the list was being drawn up, but over on the football thread there's discussion on where to place various members of England's 1966 world cup team on next year's list. So what determines where any particular person goes? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted August 13, 2016 At the risk of somebody complaining that this question is in the wrong place... What's the significance of a person's position on the deathlist? I thought it was either random or determined by the number of votes they got when the list was being drawn up, but over on the football thread there's discussion on where to place various members of England's 1966 world cup team on next year's list. So what determines where any particular person goes? The likelyhood to die I think. But the position after 15 are pretty messed up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,210 Posted August 13, 2016 At the risk of somebody complaining that this question is in the wrong place... What's the significance of a person's position on the deathlist? I thought it was either random or determined by the number of votes they got when the list was being drawn up, but over on the football thread there's discussion on where to place various members of England's 1966 world cup team on next year's list. So what determines where any particular person goes? The likelyhood to die I think. But the position after 15 are pretty messed up.How is Zsa Zsa more likely to die than, let's say Herman Wouk. Wouldn't he be more likely to die now, because he is older? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,075 Posted August 13, 2016 At the risk of somebody complaining that this question is in the wrong place... What's the significance of a person's position on the deathlist? I thought it was either random or determined by the number of votes they got when the list was being drawn up, but over on the football thread there's discussion on where to place various members of England's 1966 world cup team on next year's list. So what determines where any particular person goes? I cannot answer your question, but as to the 1966 footballers, I suspect that people are making connections with their shirt numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,520 Posted August 13, 2016 At the risk of somebody complaining that this question is in the wrong place... What's the significance of a person's position on the deathlist? I thought it was either random or determined by the number of votes they got when the list was being drawn up, but over on the football thread there's discussion on where to place various members of England's 1966 world cup team on next year's list. So what determines where any particular person goes? The likelyhood to die I think. But the position after 15 are pretty messed up.How is Zsa Zsa more likely to die than, let's say Herman Wouk. Wouldn't he be more likely to die now, because he is older? It is not a simple algorithm based on age alone, there is also a degree of celebrity and how long they spent publically circling the drain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted August 13, 2016 Only Grim and the Committee can confirm, but I've always assumed they were ranked 1-50 in the order the annual meeting deciding on them being on the list. For example, Martin Crowe was unanimously decided the first person that needed to go on the 2016 Deathlist so he is number one, then so on and so on. This works in my mind because I can well imagine them getting to say, 41, and thinking: "Right, we can use one more 2015 name, Norden or Kohl?" and a huge argument breaking out. Mind you, there's been talk of how they play it so often I suspect it changes every so often. Tony Hart was in the last 52 names for 2009, there was individual voting/tallying up at one point, and one time, a name (I want to say Princess Margaret, but not sure) was agreed on at the meeting, only for them to forget to add her to the actual list and then she promptly snuffed it that year! [source: various vaguely recalled posts on here from over the years...] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted August 13, 2016 My main thought at the moment is that it's been really quiet for big name deaths since Muhammad Ali. The period between Lemmy's death and Ali's death was one in which famous people died at a ferocious pace. There were so many famous people that died during that period, and only 6/50 on the official Deathlist? Pathetic. Some really obvious picks have been left off lists in recent years (Sir Nicholas Winton, Howard Marks) - are the committee amateurs or something? Can I choose who the official Deathlist should consist of next year? Nicholas Winton was probably not on the list for the same deferential and rrespectful reasons many deadpoolers didn't have him on list. Howard Marks was maybe a miss but not unforgivable 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Weebl 216 Posted August 14, 2016 My main thought at the moment is that it's been really quiet for big name deaths since Muhammad Ali. The period between Lemmy's death and Ali's death was one in which famous people died at a ferocious pace. There were so many famous people that died during that period, and only 6/50 on the official Deathlist? Pathetic. Some really obvious picks have been left off lists in recent years (Sir Nicholas Winton, Howard Marks) - are the committee amateurs or something? Can I choose who the official Deathlist should consist of next year? Nicholas Winton was probably not on the list for the same deferential and rrespectful reasons many deadpoolers didn't have him on list. Howard Marks was maybe a miss but not unforgivable What sort of reasons would those be? "Deferential and respectful reasons"? A good pick is a good pick, being respectful has nothing to do with it. Putting someone on a deadpool is not about wanting a person to die, only about wanting to correctly predict that they will die. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarolAnn 926 Posted August 14, 2016 I think they drink a lot and throw dice. Sounds like a perfectly acceptable strategy to me. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted August 14, 2016 Only Grim and the Committee can confirm, but I've always assumed they were ranked 1-50 in the order the annual meeting deciding on them being on the list. For example, Martin Crowe was unanimously decided the first person that needed to go on the 2016 Deathlist so he is number one, then so on and so on. This works in my mind because I can well imagine them getting to say, 41, and thinking: "Right, we can use one more 2015 name, Norden or Kohl?" and a huge argument breaking out. Mind you, there's been talk of how they play it so often I suspect it changes every so often. Tony Hart was in the last 52 names for 2009, there was individual voting/tallying up at one point, and one time, a name (I want to say Princess Margaret, but not sure) was agreed on at the meeting, only for them to forget to add her to the actual list and then she promptly snuffed it that year! [source: various vaguely recalled posts on here from over the years...] Do you truly think that they sit around scratching their bollocks in deep thought as to who they put on the lists?? Their conspicuous absence on here surely tells all and sundry that they have no great interest in DL beyond its cemented place in t'internet folklore. What started out as an idea and became a, no, THE Worlds best DL forum in the whole universe has now become something that requires minimal input from them and a weekend of trawling the web for easy half dead picks once a year to replace those that have died on the previous years list. Its not that serious. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Happy Reaper 223 Posted August 14, 2016 I think they drink a lot and throw dice. Sounds like a perfectly acceptable strategy to me. You are Roy Hodgson AICMFP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarolAnn 926 Posted August 14, 2016 I think they drink a lot and throw dice. Sounds like a perfectly acceptable strategy to me. You are Roy Hodgson AICMFP. I'm American. 'splain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted August 14, 2016 Do you truly think that they sit around scratching their bollocks in deep thought as to who they put on the lists?? Their conspicuous absence on here surely tells all and sundry that they have no great interest in DL beyond its cemented place in t'internet folklore. What started out as an idea and became a, no, THE Worlds best DL forum in the whole universe has now become something that requires minimal input from them and a weekend of trawling the web for easy half dead picks once a year to replace those that have died on the previous years list. Its not that serious. No, the idea of it being taken super seriously amuses me. It's fairly obvious its not, and nor should it be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted August 14, 2016 Do you truly think that they sit around scratching their bollocks in deep thought as to who they put on the lists?? Their conspicuous absence on here surely tells all and sundry that they have no great interest in DL beyond its cemented place in t'internet folklore. What started out as an idea and became a, no, THE Worlds best DL forum in the whole universe has now become something that requires minimal input from them and a weekend of trawling the web for easy half dead picks once a year to replace those that have died on the previous years list. Its not that serious. No, the idea of it being taken super seriously amuses me. It's fairly obvious its not, and nor should it be. Not to some, not to some..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
