Who Should Be On The 2018 Deathlist?

[Sean 6,311]

If he gets pneumonia while reporting during the winter and is put in an induced coma I will consider him.

[Joey Russ 7,220]

I think you missed the joke right there...

[Joey Russ 7,220]

As mentioned in the ideas and possibilities thread, Dick Dale wouldn’t be a bad shout for the deathlist tbh. 

[Bentrovato 1,085]

1 hour ago, Joey Russ said:

As mentioned in the ideas and possibilities thread, Dick Dale wouldn’t be a bad shout for the deathlist tbh. 

Who is Dick Dale? Gay pornstar? Brother of Alan-o-Dale? Area in Wales?

[FixedBusiness 407]

22 minutes ago, Bentrovato said:

Who is Dick Dale? Gay pornstar? Brother of Alan-o-Dale? Area in Wales?

King of Surf Rock guitarist famous for songs such as Misirlou

[Bentrovato 1,085]

1 minute ago, FixedBusiness said:

King of Surf Rock guitarist famous for songs such as Misirlou

The Pulp Fiction tune. Nice. Fair enough. Might get an Obit in the UK.

[msc 18,436]

As one of the innovators of rock, he'll piss an obit.

 

Anyhow, anyone know how his cancer is?

[Weebl 216]

On 11/12/2017 at 15:01, Sean said:

William Frankland last night (Pictured right) 

 

 

He is a must for next year. Definitely obitable and more than old enough

[Weebl 216]

Okay, so I'm not really on this site a huge amount these days, which probably isn't such a bad thing to be fair - but do enjoy coming back here at this time of year to think about who should be on next year's list.

 

So just thought I'd mention a few names to consider, at least some of whom are very seldom mentioned on this site:

 

John Cantlie (b. 1970) - ISIS captive, possibly already dead according to untrustworthy news report from earlier this year

Kurt Westergaard (b. 1935) - Danish cartoonist and critic of Islam

Roman Polanski (b. 1933) - film director and sexual abuser

Nicholas Parsons (b. 1923) - veteran British radio host, a must for next year as turning 95

Egidius Braun (b. 1925) - German football guy, UK obit chances negligible

Udo Walendy (b. 1927) - German Holocaust denier, UK obit chances low

Louis Farrakhan (b. 1933) - Leader of the Nation of Islam, I would say a good pick for next year

Richard Sherman (b. 1928) - Disney songwriter
Robbie Coltrane (b. 1950) - Scottish actor
Brian Blessed (b. 1936) - English actor

Peter Tobin (b. 1946) - Scottish serial killer

Dennis Nilsen (b. 1945) - Scottish serial killer

Josef Fritzl (b. 1935) - Austrian incest dad

Gary Glitter (b. 1944) - rock musician and paedo

Ian Watkins (b. 1977) - nu metal musician and paedo, yes he's young but anything could happen in prison including suicide

Anders Breivik (b. 1979) - Norwegian mass murderer, yes he's young but anything could happen in prison including suicide, he has also been on hunger strike and done all sorts of crazy shit

Micheline Bernardini (b. 1927) - French woman who modelled the first bikini in 1946 - never mind all these dying porn stars, here's an even better pick!

Walter Mondale (b. 1928) - American politician

Ross Perot (b. 1930) - American politician

Alan Greenspan (b. 1926) - American economist

Jurgen Habermas (b. 1929) - German sociologist

Richard Lynn (b. 1930) - British eugenicist and scientific racist

Jean Raspail (b. 1925) - French author

Jean-Marie Le Pen (b. 1928) - French far-right politician

Cecil Taylor (b. 1929) - American jazz musician

Eugene Wright (b. 1923) - American jazz musician and member of Dave Brubeck's band

Berry Gordy (b. 1929) - American Motown musician and manager

E. O. Wilson (b. 1929) - American biologist

Timothy Dudley-Smith (b. 1926) - English hymnwriter

I. M. Pei (b. 1917) - Chinese-American architect

Hosni Mubarak (b. 1928) - former Egyptian president

Lyndon LaRouche (b. 1922) - American political activist

Jean Grand Duke of Luxembourg (b. 1921) - former Grand Duke of Luxembourg

Jacques Delors (b. 1925) - French politician

Norman Tebbit (b. 1931) - British politician

Gaston Glock (b. 1929) - Austrian firearms manufacturer

Mark E. Smith (b. 1957) - British post-punk musician with The Fall, and yes mentioned several times here already but wanted to just mention him again

Irmin Schmidt (b. 1937) - German keyboardist with Can, most of his bandmates are now dead and he was always the oldest and fattest member of the group

Charles Aznavour (b. 1924) - Armenian-French singer

Little Richard (b. 1932) - American rock and roll musician

Rex Garrod (b. 19??) - British engineer and inventor, created Brum from the children's TV series and also entered into Robot Wars with Cassius, now apparently living in a care home with dementia, not sure of his exact age but would imagine him to be at least 70

Chris Rea (b. 1951) - British musician, not in the best of health at the moment

Roberta McCain (b. 1912) - American mother of John McCain, don't see why they can't both be on this year's list to be honest!

Gudrun Ure (b. 1926) - Scottish actress, Supergran

Jan Svankmajer (b. 1934) - Czech filmmaker

Arvo Part (b. 1935) - Estonian composer

Quentin Blake (b. 1932) - British cartoonist

Desmond Morris (b. 1928) - British biologist and author - a potential good pick here that I don't see being talked about much

 

Opinions on any of these picks would be appreciated, thanks!

[Weebl 216]

And while I remember, this Wikipedia category is always worth checking out when making up any new year's shadow list:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_cancer

 

Has Morrissey seriously still got cancer?

 

Some significant enough names in there, a few definitely worth a punt.

[earl 69]

Mikis Theodorakis

 

Here is on june 2017. He is in weelchair:

 

 

[ebless 203]

On 12/9/2017 at 21:41, ebless said:

Revising my list

 

Kirk Douglas

Vera Lynn

Billy Graham

Lord Carrington

Duke of Edinburgh

Denis Norden

Pierre Cardin

Stan Lee

Olivia De Haviland

Herman Wouk

Bob Dole

Leah Bracknell

Jimmy Carter

Leslie Phillips

Robert Mugabe

Javier Perez De Cuellar

Betty White

Nobby Stiles

Jill Gascoine

Bob Barker

George Bush sr

Pope Benedict

Hosni Mubarak

Desmond Tutu

Valerie Harper

 

New/returning

 

John McCain

Linda Nolan

Shane McGowan

Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg

Doris Day

Richard Baker

Stanley Baxter

Clive James

Tessa Jowell

Harry Belafonte

Jimmy Greaves

Barbara Bush

Monica Vitti

Roger Bannister

Murray Walker

Stan Bowles

Charlotte Rae

Olivia Newton-John

Mark E Smith

Gudrun Ure

Jacques Chirac

John Hume

Sheila Mercier

Martin Peters

Ric Flair

Sean Connery and Chris Rea now replace Monica Vitti and Stan Bowles 

[Joey Russ 7,220]

I see a bunch of mentions of her elsewhere, but I see no mention of June Whitfield in this thread at all. So, she got mentioned now.

[Joey Russ 7,220]

4 hours ago, Weebl said:

Roberta McCain (b. 1912) - American mother of John McCain, don't see why they can't both be on this year's list to be honest!

I'm in the belief that unless they are notable for something other than being famous for being a family member, they shouldn't be allowed on the deathlist. Only exceptions is when it's something like the Kennedy's or a wife of a Prime Minister or something like that, which McCain doesn't reach those levels imo...

[deadsox 894]

10 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

I'm in the belief that unless they are notable for something other than being famous for being a family member, they shouldn't be allowed on the deathlist. Only exceptions is when it's something like the Kennedy's or a wife of a Prime Minister or something like that, which McCain doesn't reach those levels imo...

I basically agree Joey except I give no special dispensation to Kennedys.

[Death Impends 7,956]

5 hours ago, Weebl said:

And while I remember, this Wikipedia category is always worth checking out when making up any new year's shadow list:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_with_cancer

 

Has Morrissey seriously still got cancer?

 

Some significant enough names in there, a few definitely worth a punt.

 

Sifting through that category needs some patience since like half of the people in there were diagnosed with stage I breast or colon cancer back in 2009.

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5 hours ago, Weebl said:

John Cantlie (b. 1970) - ISIS captive, possibly already dead according to untrustworthy news report from earlier this year

Eh. The only real reason why he's famous is because he's an ISIS captive. If he wasn't, i doubt you would've heard of him. I don't think it's deathlist-y enough.

[Joey Russ 7,220]

Surprised no one mentioned Willie Nelson yet, especially with the multiple bouts of health issues he has faced over the last year and even a death hoax happening. 

[Vinegar Tits 605]

4 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

I see a bunch of mentions of her elsewhere, but I see no mention of June Whitfield in this thread at all. So, she got mentioned now.

Nooooooooo. June Whitfield is one of my 'untouchables' - people who I will never put in my deadpool. Mind you, perhaps that would be a good idea as judging by my recent DDP results anyone in my team seems to be granted eternal life.

 

Someone I know saw and chatted to Nicholas Parsons a couple of days ago. Obviously a fall or a chill can be fatal at that age but he's absolutely fine and still sharp as a tack, so I wouldn't seriously consider him for 2018.

[Weebl 216]

31 minutes ago, Vinegar Tits said:

Nooooooooo. June Whitfield is one of my 'untouchables' - people who I will never put in my deadpool. Mind you, perhaps that would be a good idea as judging by my recent DDP results anyone in my team seems to be granted eternal life.

 

Someone I know saw and chatted to Nicholas Parsons a couple of days ago. Obviously a fall or a chill can be fatal at that age but he's absolutely fine and still sharp as a tack, so I wouldn't seriously consider him for 2018.

 

At that age you take nothing for granted. For example, people thought Pete Seeger was too healthy to be on the list, so he got taken off the list and died almost immediately afterwards.

[Weebl 216]

4 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

I'm in the belief that unless they are notable for something other than being famous for being a family member, they shouldn't be allowed on the deathlist. Only exceptions is when it's something like the Kennedy's or a wife of a Prime Minister or something like that, which McCain doesn't reach those levels imo...

 

There seems to be a lot of disagreement about who is Deathlist worthy and who is not. Someone should really start a separate thread about it, because as far as deadpooling goes it's an important topic of discussion that leads to some critical decision making about who to include and who not to include.

 

Officially the person has to get a UK obituary, but in practice what this usually seems to mean is that people who are more famous tend to get priority on the list over those who are somewhat less famous, even if the somewhat less famous people are considered more likely to die during a given year.

 

In practice what this usually means is that on the final list that's put up at midnight on New Year's Day, there is a huge bias towards big names. This is why I can score hits on my shadow list with names like Jacque Fresco and Raymond Smullyan whereas in practice it's highly unlikely that these would be on the main list as they are considered too obscure.

[msc 18,436]

The criteria is 100% whatever the Cmme of the day thinks it is. And because the Cmme has floating membership (people seem to appear in and out per year, Grim being one of the few constants?) that standard changes every now and again. The survivors thread is quite useful in that regard - look at how some folk appear a few times then their appearances just die a death. Or their occupation - when was the last cricketer on the list? Possibly Edrich. And he's still alive!

[Joey Russ 7,220]

3 minutes ago, msc said:

The criteria is 100% whatever the Cmme of the day thinks it is. And because the Cmme has floating membership (people seem to appear in and out per year, Grim being one of the few constants?) that standard changes every now and again. The survivors thread is quite useful in that regard - look at how some folk appear a few times then their appearances just die a death. Or their occupation - when was the last cricketer on the list? Possibly Edrich. And he's still alive!

It was Martin Crowe last year actually.  

[msc 18,436]

Well that's me shown up!

[TQR 14,385]

It's kind of hard to define who is and isn't worthy of a Deathlist place...I try to make my shadow picks very well known figures, ie. people who a borderline ignorant person (such as myself) wouldn't ask who the fuck they are if their name was mentioned. Maybe some people will get better hit rates than me, but I just think what the hell's the point if I'm picking people I've scarcely heard of. Small-time football managers, ISIS captives, Moroccan politicians, it's not really what I consider Deathlisty. But then maybe it's a display of ignorance on my part? It's difficult to define. As msc said though, it's purely about what the committee reckons at the time.