Bibliogryphon 9,653 Posted October 13, 2021 Leicester East is Keith Vaz's old constituency and where my sister-in-law lives 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,700 Posted October 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Bibliogryphon said: Leicester East is Keith Vaz's old constituency and where my sister-in-law lives Aye, so they'll spring Rose West to fight it for Labour then, what could possibly go wrong from there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 14, 2021 I will hopefully update this soon.Have had a really horrible long lasting virus ( not covid) and am still very weak nearly 3 weeks in.Apologies. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,560 Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Sean said: I will hopefully update this soon.Have had a really horrible long lasting virus ( not covid) and am still very weak nearly 3 weeks in.Apologies. Take care. I had norovirus just before covid hit the UK (timing, eh?) and it took me a good month or so to even begin to recover. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,247 Posted October 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Sean said: Have had a really horrible long lasting virus ( not covid) and am still very weak nearly 3 weeks in.Apologies. This is really good stuff, at least it's pulled me back together after a debilitating virus. I always struggle to remember what it's called, and not say methadone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,256 Posted October 15, 2021 Amess a hit for Sean, msc, The Old Crem and Grave Danger. Brokenshire and Amess within a week or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,649 Posted October 15, 2021 37 minutes ago, YoungWillz said: Amess a hit for Sean, msc, The Old Crem and Grave Danger. Brokenshire and Amess within a week or so. Feel guilty about getting points after this. I imagine I only put them for age reasons. I imagine the by- election will be like Jo Cox’s with none of the major parties standing - likely at least one minor party or independent will stand so it won’t be uncontested Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,912 Posted October 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Feel guilty about getting points after this. I imagine I only put them for age reasons. I imagine the by- election will be like Jo Cox’s with none of the major parties standing - likely at least one minor party or independent will stand so it won’t be uncontested True. All the filth (the BNP, National Front, English Democrats et al.) ran in the by-election following the death of Jo Cox in 2016. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,649 Posted October 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: True. All the filth (the BNP, National Front, English Democrats et al.) ran in the by-election following the death of Jo Cox in 2016. And I feel like this time with a Tory Mp being the victim at least one of the fringe far left parties will stand. Depending on the motive of the killing will influence if some of the far right I suspect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 15, 2021 I am feeling better now slowly but will wait a few days to update the points out of respect for Sir David Amess.A ghastly horrible day for British politics and the country as a whole.Feel incredibly sad this has happened again after Jo Cox.My thoughts are with all his family and friends.Always came across on TV as a a gentlemanly and courteous man who was opinionated but never unpleasant aggressive or rude .I think the heartfelt tributes from across the political divide give you a measure of the man. R.I.P Sir David 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,372 Posted October 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Sean said: I am feeling better now slowly but will wait a few days to update the points out of respect for Sir David Amess.A ghastly horrible day for British politics and the country as a whole.Feel incredibly sad this has happened again after Jo Cox.My thoughts are with all his family and friends.Alaways came across on TV as a a gentlemanly and courteous man who was opinionated but never unpleasant aggressive or rude .I think the heartfelt tributes from across the political divide give you a measure of the man. R.I.P Sir David A wonderful sensitive post. Hope your back to full strength and health soon. My best to you. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,560 Posted October 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Sean said: I am feeling better now slowly but will wait a few days to update the points out of respect for Sir David Amess.A ghastly horrible day for British politics and the country as a whole.Feel incredibly sad this has happened again after Jo Cox.My thoughts are with all his family and friends.Always came across on TV as a a gentlemanly and courteous man who was opinionated but never unpleasant aggressive or rude .I think the heartfelt tributes from across the political divide give you a measure of the man. R.I.P Sir David Even though you can count the number of Tories she likes on one hand, and their politics were polar opposites, my mum's even expressed her sadness at Amess's death - and not just because of the senseless nature of his death. Others she admires who are still alive btw - Michael Forsyth, Michael Portillo, Norman Fowler. But I'm afraid not your cuddly Uncle Norman! (My attempt to raise a smile on a horrible day for UK politics, old chap!) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, msc said: Even though you can count the number of Tories she likes on one hand, and their politics were polar opposites, my mum's even expressed her sadness at Amess's death - and not just because of the senseless nature of his death. Others she admires who are still alive btw - Michael Forsyth, Michael Portillo, Norman Fowler. But I'm afraid not your cuddly Uncle Norman! (My attempt to raise a smile on a horrible day for UK politics, old chap!) Humour at the darkest of times is always needed from experience. I swear some newbies on this site think Norman is my inappropriate uncle based on the nickname he has acquired. I think on days like this it puts politics in perspective.After Jo Cox was murdered I hoped there would be a toning down of the rhetoric and a return to what Tony Benn referred to about politics being about policy not personality.There was a truce then the ugliness of the Brexit debate engulfed the United Kingdom.I doubt that made a difference though as MPs will and have always been targets. Maybe this death has hit me personally as I used to work in mental health and had people charge at me with knives with a couple of very close calls.It is the most terrifying thing I have experienced.I was lucky but could very easily have been stabbed several times so can only imagine the terror Sir David felt at the end.No matter how tough you are when someone charges at you with a knife it is terrifying.I left that job as several stabbing attempts being bitten scratched spat at kicked with football boots and punched in the nose so hard it nearly broke made me think one of these days my luck will run out. Just hope he didn't suffer too much but heard he was gasping for breath after the attack which makes me think he probably did suffer .Knew it was bad when he didn't get taken to hospital via air ambulance.Never a good sign. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,560 Posted October 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sean said: Humour at the darkest of times is always needed from experience. I swear some newbies on this site think Norman is my inappropriate uncle based on the nickname he has acquired. I think on days like this it puts politics in perspective.After Jo Cox was murdered I hoped there would be a toning down of the rhetoric and a return to what Tony Benn referred to about politics being about policy not personality.There was a truce then the ugliness of the Brexit debate engulfed the United Kingdom.I doubt that made a difference though as MPs will and have always been targets. Maybe this death has hit me personally as I used to work in mental health and had people charge at me with knives with a couple of very close calls.It is the most terrifying thing I have experienced.I was lucky but could very easily have been stabbed several times so can only imagine the terror Sir David felt at the end.No matter how tough you are when someone charges at you with a knife it is terrifying.I left that job as several stabbing attempts being bitten scratched spat at kicked with football boots and punched in the nose so hard it nearly broke made me think one of these days my luck will run out. Just hope he didn't suffer too much but heard he was gasping for breath after the attack which makes me think he probably did suffer .Knew it was bad when he didn't get taken to hospital via air ambulance.Never a good sign. Black humour runs in the family. As my gran (still living) once put it - if you can't have fun at a funeral, when can you? Hey, it's better to remember Tebbit as your uncle than for some of his career! There is a distinct toxic nature to world politics at the moment which makes one despair. I'm not sure how it can be fixed at this point. When my Dad worked in A&E there was big posters up about what to do if one of the staff was stabbed on duty. Drunks with knifes were a regular threat to nurses and doctors trying to save peoples lives. Dad was never stabbed thankfully but did have to disarm folk on more than one occasion. Someone once pulled a knife on me in a crowded pub. They were drunk and dropped it. I'm 6 foot 2, used to play rugby, could dissuade fights from happening with a look, but on that instance the only option was to fucking leg it out of there ASAP. So I understand how you feel. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 15, 2021 6 hours ago, msc said: Black humour runs in the family. As my gran (still living) once put it - if you can't have fun at a funeral, when can you? Hey, it's better to remember Tebbit as your uncle than for some of his career! There is a distinct toxic nature to world politics at the moment which makes one despair. I'm not sure how it can be fixed at this point. When my Dad worked in A&E there was big posters up about what to do if one of the staff was stabbed on duty. Drunks with knifes were a regular threat to nurses and doctors trying to save peoples lives. Dad was never stabbed thankfully but did have to disarm folk on more than one occasion. Someone once pulled a knife on me in a crowded pub. They were drunk and dropped it. I'm 6 foot 2, used to play rugby, could dissuade fights from happening with a look, but on that instance the only option was to fucking leg it out of there ASAP. So I understand how you feel. Luckily in my case I had either extra staff on scene to disarm or made use of the lockable security doors of which we all had a key.Had to have several strong people to hold the door shit whilst it was locked.Git told by a manager to go in a locked room with a man with a knife who had smashed the dining room up and had also broke and sharpened chair legs as extra weapons.Didnt tell her to fuck herself but made that point diplomatically but forcefully retorting " if you think it is safe you go in first." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,478 Posted October 15, 2021 I wouldn’t say I admired him. Being an LGBT+ he certainly wouldn’t have cared much for me, as his aversion to them having equal rights would suggest. So there’s that, he was anti-abortion at all costs, Pro-Brexit at all costs, the list goes on. I’m sure I’d gladly have called him all the undesirables under the sun. I’m sure I did at some point. But none of that comes into the equation. He was brutally, senselessly murdered by a coward who sought to damage democracy. When a tragedy like this happens, it should never be politicised. It’s a desperately tragic incident, very much reminiscent of Jo Cox which happened just 5 years ago. It shouldn’t happen to anyone. Their families shouldn’t have to go through that. Other MPs shouldn’t have to live in fear of being filleted by a stranger for simply doing their job. It’s a very dark day for this country. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, TQR said: I wouldn’t say I admired him. Being an LGBT+ he certainly wouldn’t have cared much for me, as his aversion to them having equal rights would suggest. So there’s that, he was anti-abortion at all costs, Pro-Brexit at all costs, the list goes on. I’m sure I’d gladly have called him all the undesirables under the sun. I’m sure I did at some point. But none of that comes into the equation. He was brutally, senselessly murdered by a coward who sought to damage democracy. When a tragedy like this happens, it should never be politicised. It’s a desperately tragic incident, very much reminiscent of Jo Cox which happened just 5 years ago. It shouldn’t happen to anyone. Their families shouldn’t have to go through that. Other MPs shouldn’t have to live in fear of being filleted by a stranger for simply doing their job. It’s a very dark day for this country. Assassinations are above any partisan politics as you rightly point out.I agreed far more with David than Jo Cox but am equally sickened by both murders.I agree wholeheartedly with your comments .It is a bleak bleak day for everyone who believes in democracy or basic decency. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,368 Posted October 19, 2021 Update for the death of Dame Cheryl Gillan: GraveDanger:90 Sean:60 msc 50 The Old Crem:40 nantonion2013:40 Bibliogryphon:30 Gooseberry Crumble:30 Great Uncle Bulgaria;30 TQR 30 Updated for Brokenshire Amess and Brabin 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,653 Posted October 26, 2021 Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror has suggested that Owen Patterson is a risk of a recall ballot after being suspended for 30 days for breaking lobbying rules Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,560 Posted October 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said: Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror has suggested that Owen Patterson is a risk of a recall ballot after being suspended for 30 days for breaking lobbying rules Don't worry, he didn't actually break the lobbying rules, it's just that the goalposts were moved, by the badgers. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,912 Posted October 26, 2021 His response is very robust. Can’t see him falling foul to a recall petition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,256 Posted October 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: His response is very robust. Can’t see him falling foul to a recall petition. Don't recall him bringing up this process as a contributory factor to his wife's suicide until now. Looked a bit smirky on Politics Live. As members of his own party voted for the Report's conclusions, it may be damning. Unlikely his constituents will go for recall, no matter what this guy did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,649 Posted October 29, 2021 On 26/10/2021 at 12:47, YoungWillz said: Don't recall him bringing up this process as a contributory factor to his wife's suicide until now. Looked a bit smirky on Politics Live. As members of his own party voted for the Report's conclusions, it may be damning. Unlikely his constituents will go for recall, no matter what this guy did. They only need 10% of the electorate to sign it to trigger one. Not massively likely they could get that (Ian Paisley survived as they couldn’t reach that) but it is possible. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,256 Posted November 3, 2021 On 26/10/2021 at 09:34, Bibliogryphon said: Kevin Maguire from the Daily Mirror has suggested that Owen Patterson is a risk of a recall ballot after being suspended for 30 days for breaking lobbying rules Sounds like it won't even get to the electorate. Looks like the vote in Parliament will not adhere to the recommendation. On 26/10/2021 at 12:47, YoungWillz said: Looked a bit smirky on Politics Live. Now we know why. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,649 Posted November 4, 2021 On 03/11/2021 at 11:43, YoungWillz said: Sounds like it won't even get to the electorate. Looks like the vote in Parliament will not adhere to the recommendation. Now we know why. By-Election is on. He has just resigned from the commons. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites