dead David Crosby

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1 hour ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Oh my mistake I took it to mean Melissa was genetically related to some of  her children but didn't give birth to them which made me think surrogacy of a kind. I was  also meaning more especially in relation to her child with David Crosby were articles referred to him as a sperm donor sort of implying that he didn't take the active role of rather and that was the intention.But I see now that I have got my wires crossed on some of this.

 

Risking an unpopular opinion here, but I'm uneasy about women as a couple having children "together".  One of them will have no blood tie to the child (I do realise this happens in stepfamilies too, but that's a different scenario).  And giving birth is such a strong tie, there can be no equality there.

 

A woman I know is in a relationship with another woman and "they" had a baby.  I hadn't met the partner before when I bumped into them afterwards at a function.  I chatted briefly to my acquaintance, cooed over the baby (because you have to) and then I turned to her with a friendly smile and said,

"And you're the other Mum!  Lovely to meet you!"

Her response was to scowl at me and say,  "I'm the one who gave birth to him."

I didn't think that augured well for the future of the family.

 

 

[YoungWillz 21,028]

42 minutes ago, Toast said:

 

Risking an unpopular opinion here, but I'm uneasy about women as a couple having children "together".  One of them will have no blood tie to the child (I do realise this happens in stepfamilies too, but that's a different scenario).  And giving birth is such a strong tie, there can be no equality there.

 

A woman I know is in a relationship with another woman and "they" had a baby.  I hadn't met the partner before when I bumped into them afterwards at a function.  I chatted briefly to my acquaintance, cooed over the baby (because you have to) and then I turned to her with a friendly smile and said,

"And you're the other Mum!  Lovely to meet you!"

Her response was to scowl at me and say,  "I'm the one who gave birth to him."

I didn't think that augured well for the future of the family.

 

 

Yeah, knowing ladies who lunch on each other myself, it's a minefield. I think maybe using the words "other Mum" is a bit of a red flag, although I know you were only trying to be pleasant. I'd have maybe sussed out from your friend whether one is mum and the other mummy or what combo they wanted to use.

 

Anyway, if it was me in that relationship (it wouldn't, couldn't and never will be) I'd be using that line right back. They'd never forget using it to one of my friends. Get up to feed or change in the middle of the night? "You gave birth to him!" Take him down the football on the sleetiest coldest day? "You gave birth to him!" etc etc.

[The Old Crem 3,582]

Some lesbian couples have IVF where one provides the egg but the other partner carries the baby.

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51 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

I think maybe using the words "other Mum" is a bit of a red flag, although I know you were only trying to be pleasant. I'd have maybe sussed out from your friend whether one is mum and the other mummy or what combo they wanted to use.

 

Point is, I hadn't met her before so from my point of view she was inevitably the "other" one.  No reason to take offence at all. 

But surely in that kind of set up they're both going to be "mum" (or mummy, mother, whatever).  I mean, what else would they be?  It's not as though I was going to confuse the child, it was a baby a few months old.

 

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6 hours ago, Toast said:

 

Risking an unpopular opinion here, but I'm uneasy about women as a couple having children "together".  One of them will have no blood tie to the child (I do realise this happens in stepfamilies too, but that's a different scenario).  And giving birth is such a strong tie, there can be no equality there.

 

A woman I know is in a relationship with another woman and "they" had a baby.  I hadn't met the partner before when I bumped into them afterwards at a function.  I chatted briefly to my acquaintance, cooed over the baby (because you have to) and then I turned to her with a friendly smile and said,

"And you're the other Mum!  Lovely to meet you!"

Her response was to scowl at me and say,  "I'm the one who gave birth to him."

I didn't think that augured well for the future of the family.

 

 

I think you raise some very interesting points. Certainly a potential emotional minefield at times.

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6 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

Some lesbian couples have IVF where one provides the egg but the other partner carries the baby.

 

Not on the NHS, I hope.   

So their offspring have three parents?  My view is, just because you can doesn't mean you should. 

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8 hours ago, msc said:

 

I think it was originally meant to be just the sperm donor (although they knew who it was, they asked him as he was a friend...) but the press got really interested in who the "father" was and started guessing randomly so in 2000 they went and said it was David Crosby with Crosby's consent. He didn't take, and wasn't intended to take,  the active role of parent, but it's still his biological offspring he knew about so you can see why there'd be remorse.

I suppose getting wanked off by two lesbians, into a cup awaiting a Turkey baster, is some sort of male fantasy....

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

So, if that 21 year old had half his DNA from Crosby, how come prescription drugs took him out of the game so young?

 

A total amateur next to his biological dad.

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43 minutes ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

I suppose getting wanked off by two lesbians, into a cup awaiting a Turkey baster, is some sort of male fantasy....

Big cocked bastard - they’d be having to take it in turns in my fantasy

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1 hour ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

I suppose getting wanked off by two lesbians, into a cup awaiting a Turkey baster, is some sort of male fantasy....

 

That reminds me of a guy I used to work with in the 90s.  He was obsessed with porn and sex shops, but was also a bit naive in some departments. 

Once he remarked to me that lots of lesbians must enjoy porn films, as whenever he went to watch a porn film there were always lesbian films on as well. 

I had to explain to him that those films weren't made for lesbians - that lots of blokes were turned on by watching women at it.  It had never occurred to him. 

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18 hours ago, Toast said:

 

Not on the NHS, I hope.   

So their offspring have three parents?  My view is, just because you can doesn't mean you should. 

Yes I think it is offered on the NHS in very limited circumstances in certain areas.

 

How is it different to have step - parents?

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2 hours ago, The Old Crem said:

How is it different to have step - parents?

 

Step-parents happen because something has gone wrong, eg the biological parent has died, fucked off, or the marriage has failed. 

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

4 hours ago, Toast said:

 

Step-parents happen because something has gone wrong, eg the biological parent has died, fucked off, or the marriage has failed. 

 

 

Or the mum  is hot!!!

[Joey Russ 7,220]

David Crosby explains why Trump is worse than Nixon

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On 15/05/2020 at 11:59, Toast said:

  And giving birth is such a strong tie, there can be no equality there.

 

 

Giving birth is no guarantee a mother will be a good parent. Rose West, Tracey Connolly for instance? Some parents should have been sterilised before they had the chance to procreate - not my words, but those of my parents, who were both social workers

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17 minutes ago, JR976evil said:

Giving birth is no guarantee a mother will be a good parent. Rose West, Tracey Connolly for instance? Some parents should have been sterilised before they had the chance to procreate - not my words, but those of my parents, who were both social workers

 

I didn't say anything about being a good or bad parent though. 

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

On 10/06/2020 at 17:15, Joey Russ said:

David Crosby explains why Trump is worse than Nixon

 

 

I love DC, but I'm not sure the world needed him to provide that insight!

 

“I’ll tell you how I envision this guy [Trump]. He feels to me like an 8-year-old kid that has never been allowed in his dad’s office and he’s broken and he’s peeing on the papers, running around madly with his dick flopping out, peeing on the papers saying, ‘I’ll show you!'”

[Persephone 14]

Within the next six months perhaps...?
 

 

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

7 hours ago, Persephone said:

Within the next six months perhaps...?
 

 

 

 

The cynic in me thinks the first two CPR albums are currently being re-issued. 

 

The ultimate career move, or at least a suggestion of it...etc.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

1 hour ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

The cynic in me thinks the first two CPR albums are currently being re-issued. 

 

The ultimate career move, or at least a suggestion of it...etc.

Mary, I would love to hear your take on Crosby as a musician and himself.

I don't know too much about him, tbh, and I am not sure whether he has regrets or doesn't give a shit.

I need to delve into your font of knowledge and wisdom.

Ta.

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

2 hours ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

Mary, I would love to hear your take on Crosby as a musician and himself.

I don't know too much about him, tbh, and I am not sure whether he has regrets or doesn't give a shit.

I need to delve into your font of knowledge and wisdom.

Ta.

 

 

Well, first off I'll rip that suggestion that I'm the "font of knowledge,"  put it into an email and send it to my wife. 

 

Crosby's an enigma (in a really good way) his skills are that same rarity George Harrison had (i.e. he has soul a mile wide but his quality control when left alone is not that great). So, the very best of his work (title track of Deja Vu or Wooden Ships) are stronger for the touches brought by others in the groups. Therefore, you're struggling to find great albums entirely by Crosby. That said, If I Could Only Remember my Name is - arguably - that animal. Though, ironically, it's a great "solo" album because the first thing he did was invite all his mates round then just jam. So, if you want an album that totally captures the stoned vibe of Laurel Canyon folk-rock hippies If I Could Only Remember my Name is unsurpassed because most of his contemporaries felt the urge to do mundane and boring things on their own albums like - maybe - write proper songs. The soaraway scat singing of Tree With no Leaves (Song With no Words), sublime introspection of Traction in the Rain or the vocal exercises turned into a sublime nugget of I'd Swear There was Somebody Here (which does regular work as the closing track on a cult radio show I could name) are all moments of sublime honesty. After which there's damn near two decades of a drugged haze in which he goes through the motions competently. Tracks in the Dust from his second solo album was the first real suggestion he could pull it back. There's a serious attempt to go out on an artistic high that's driven the album a year performance of late and he's as good as most of his generation (if we accept Neil Young as a cut above and Dylan's recent outing as a stunning return to artistry that Crosby will likely never touch). There's also a handful of the very best music of his generation scattered across The Byrds, CSN and CSNY. So history will likely be kind to him when the real reason we discuss him here finally arrives.

 

 

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8 hours ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Well, first off I'll rip that suggestion that I'm the "font of knowledge,"  put it into an email and send it to my wife. 

 

Crosby's an enigma (in a really good way) his skills are that same rarity George Harrison had (i.e. he has soul a mile wide but his quality control when left alone is not that great). So, the very best of his work (title track of Deja Vu or Wooden Ships) are stronger for the touches brought by others in the groups. Therefore, you're struggling to find great albums entirely by Crosby. That said, If I Could Only Remember my Name is - arguably - that animal. Though, ironically, it's a great "solo" album because the first thing he did was invite all his mates round then just jam. So, if you want an album that totally captures the stoned vibe of Laurel Canyon folk-rock hippies If I Could Only Remember my Name is unsurpassed because most of his contemporaries felt the urge to do mundane and boring things on their own albums like - maybe - write proper songs. The soaraway scat singing of Tree With no Leaves (Song With no Words), sublime introspection of Traction in the Rain or the vocal exercises turned into a sublime nugget of I'd Swear There was Somebody Here (which does regular work as the closing track on a cult radio show I could name) are all moments of sublime honesty. After which there's damn near two decades of a drugged haze in which he goes through the motions competently. Tracks in the Dust from his second solo album was the first real suggestion he could pull it back. There's a serious attempt to go out on an artistic high that's driven the album a year performance of late and he's as good as most of his generation (if we accept Neil Young as a cut above and Dylan's recent outing as a stunning return to artistry that Crosby will likely never touch). There's also a handful of the very best music of his generation scattered across The Byrds, CSN and CSNY. So history will likely be kind to him when the real reason we discuss him here finally arrives.

 

 

 

I concur; IICORMN is my second favourite ex-Byrds' solo album after Gene Clark's 'No Other'. Clark was touched by Gene-ius in the late 60s to mid 70s, until, as with Crozzers, the drugs took their artistic and physical toll.  Third place I'd put either of Gram 'Ounce' Parsons's two solo efforts - 'fortunately' for him, he didn't survive to make crap 80s and 90s albums like Dave, Gene and Bob.

 

DC's autobiography 'Long Time Gone' is a fun read, if your idea of fun is seeing how much chaos one drug-addled hippie can cause.

 

Eat a peach.

[maryportfuncity 10,642]

2 hours ago, harrymcnallysblueandwhitearmy said:

 

I concur; IICORMN is my second favourite ex-Byrds' solo album after Gene Clark's 'No Other'. Clark was touched by Gene-ius in the late 60s to mid 70s, until, as with Crozzers, the drugs took their artistic and physical toll.  Third place I'd put either of Gram 'Ounce' Parsons's two solo efforts - 'fortunately' for him, he didn't survive to make crap 80s and 90s albums like Dave, Gene and Bob.

 

DC's autobiography 'Long Time Gone' is a fun read, if your idea of fun is seeing how much chaos one drug-addled hippie can cause.

 

Eat a peach.

 

 

Oh aye, that book - I used to discuss the narrative style on that with students. For those who don't know there's a fairly basic structure to the book in which Crosby writes his own life story but two other narratives (a close friend and the biographer) turn up to do a chapter in a different font. The point being, this is the most honest way to remember it because there are portions of that life (bio came out around 1990) that Croz simply can't remember. 

[harrymcnallysblueandwhitearmy 1,684]

2 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Oh aye, that book - I used to discuss the narrative style on that with students. For those who don't know there's a fairly basic structure to the book in which Crosby writes his own life story but two other narratives (a close friend and the biographer) turn up to do a chapter in a different font. The point being, this is the most honest way to remember it because there are portions of that life (bio came out around 1990) that Croz simply can't remember. 

 

He took the credo 'if you can remember the 60s (70s, 80s) you weren't there' seriously, man.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

18 hours ago, maryportfuncity said:

 

 

Well, first off I'll rip that suggestion that I'm the "font of knowledge,"  put it into an email and send it to my wife. 

 

Crosby's an enigma (in a really good way) his skills are that same rarity George Harrison had (i.e. he has soul a mile wide but his quality control when left alone is not that great). So, the very best of his work (title track of Deja Vu or Wooden Ships) are stronger for the touches brought by others in the groups. Therefore, you're struggling to find great albums entirely by Crosby. That said, If I Could Only Remember my Name is - arguably - that animal. Though, ironically, it's a great "solo" album because the first thing he did was invite all his mates round then just jam. So, if you want an album that totally captures the stoned vibe of Laurel Canyon folk-rock hippies If I Could Only Remember my Name is unsurpassed because most of his contemporaries felt the urge to do mundane and boring things on their own albums like - maybe - write proper songs. The soaraway scat singing of Tree With no Leaves (Song With no Words), sublime introspection of Traction in the Rain or the vocal exercises turned into a sublime nugget of I'd Swear There was Somebody Here (which does regular work as the closing track on a cult radio show I could name) are all moments of sublime honesty. After which there's damn near two decades of a drugged haze in which he goes through the motions competently. Tracks in the Dust from his second solo album was the first real suggestion he could pull it back. There's a serious attempt to go out on an artistic high that's driven the album a year performance of late and he's as good as most of his generation (if we accept Neil Young as a cut above and Dylan's recent outing as a stunning return to artistry that Crosby will likely never touch). There's also a handful of the very best music of his generation scattered across The Byrds, CSN and CSNY. So history will likely be kind to him when the real reason we discuss him here finally arrives.

 

 

Many thanks for that Sir.

Exactly what I had hoped for and knew I would get!