An Fear Beag
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24 minutes ago, Captain Hemlock said:The Red Sox and Yankees played a series in London a few years ago.
Yeah I seriously considered going to that at the time, and eventually decided against it. When I see the Red Sox in person for the first time, I want it to be in a ballpark, preferably Fenway. Seeing a game in the London stadium just wouldn't be the same.
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50 minutes ago, dimreaper said:That's class. I'm a plastic Paddy. I hope you get the chance to a catch a game in person someday if you already haven't. Your knowledge of the team goes far beyond my own, and I've always been as fan.
Never made it to Fenway, but it's number 1 on my bucket list. Fell in love with the game when I spent a summer in Woostah in the mid 90s, but I had to go home early to repeat college exams, so I never got to go. Had planned to catch a game when I went to Boston as part of honeymoon in 2003, but after 9/11 the other half got cold feet about flying to the US, so we ended up staying in Europe. Now I just have to wait until these parasitic kids leave home before I can afford to go!
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1 hour ago, dimreaper said:You Mass based by chance? One of my most pressing memories from the 2004 championship season was every female having a huge crush on Johnny Damon. Fairly decent player in his own right to be fair, but that always made me laugh.
Nah - I'm in Ireland. A completely plastic fan! I follow the Red Sox via the internet, which is a lot easier to do now than it was in 2004!
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45 minutes ago, dimreaper said:In fairness, his death is getting a lot of local media coverage. I'm really only talking about my dive bars Dorchester. I dug out my closet my old 2004 Red Sox commemorative pin collection that the team put out and found he was omitted.
I'm guessing that's because he wasn't on the World Series roster. Even casual Red Sox fans remember the names of Dave Roberts and Doug Mientkiewicz because of their post-season heroics. However McCarty played in almost twice as many games as either of them that year. His contribution to the season as a whole shouldn't be dismissed.
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18 hours ago, dimreaper said:Unlike Tim Wakefield, McCarty saw little action. Very few people I have spoken to remember him at all.
He played in over half the regular season games for the 2004 team who broke the curse, as well as making three relief pitching appearances. A journeyman certainly, but the Red Sox fans I talk to remember him well.
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4 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:As I said before, the actual withdrawal of support or the threat thereof might do the trick.
And if it doesn't?
Don't get me wrong. I see the attraction of the US and UK throwing their hands in the air and saying to Israel "well fuck you - you're on your own - do it your way." It would be my first instinct as well. However, if you do that, then you have to at least consider the possibility that Israel might actually lose. I doubt it would happen, given their military strength, but it is not an impossibility. What happens if Russia or China intervenes (indirectly) on the other side? What happens if other Arab states use Israel's weakened position as an opportunity to get involved and seriously threaten the very existence of the state of Israel? Do you really think that the US and UK are going to stand back and let that happen? Should they? In reality, they would still end up getting involved, but in a far worse situation than the one that currently exists. And if they didn't then intervene, what happens next? Do you think that Netanyahu is going to allow the destruction of Israel, without doing literally everything in his power to stop it, up to and including the use of nuclear weapons?
I understand why you would prefer that the UK were not involved, other than to protect the people of Gaza. However, I think that is naive and unrealistic. I would prefer that the US and UK were in there at least trying to hold Israel and Iran at arms length, even if it seems like a forlorn hope at present.
And to go back to my original point, I don't believe that Sunak's motivation is to have a "Falklands moment" and involve the UK in a war in the Middle East to boost support at home. I think that the motivation is more to try and prevent further escalation, however unlikely that might be.
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57 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:If Netanyahu wants to turn his country to dust, that's his issue, not ours.
I don't think it is that simple, to be honest. The US and UK are committed to the concept of a Jewish state in Israel, and it is not that easy to just walk away from that. Israel is considered to be an ally of both countries, and allies stick together, regardless of how crazy the current leader seems to be.
Its a bit like watching your coked-up mate trying to start a fight with some local scumbags, who you know are just itching to stick a knife in him. Do you walk away and leave him to his fate, however gruesome that might end up being, or do you stick around trying to talk him down until the coke wears off, knowing that you are probably going to catch a few bottles to the side of the head in the process. Very tempting to do the former, but its not what mates do.
Onw way or another, the US and UK are going to be involved. I suspect that they are aiming to stay involved at arms length as they currently are, shooting down drones and missiles and trying in vain to calm the situation down. Because if a situation arises where the existence of Israel is genuinely under threat, make no mistake that they will become far more heavily involved than they currently are, or than they would like to be.
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On 13/04/2024 at 22:53, YoungWillz said:Sunak was so quick out of the traps with his statement on the Iran attack on Israel. (Completely silent of course when Israel attacked the embassy in Syria).
So does he think getting involved will be his Falklands moment? He's seriously deluded if he thinks dragging the UK into this right now has much support in this country. Israel should exist, but this isn't our fight. Providing arms to Israel is really dodgy given what's going on in Gaza - an escalation which puts our bases in Cyprus and inevitably our own territory at risk isn't what I'd call a good move.
This isn't a vote winner. But as he clings to the last days of his Government, he could do some serious damage to us.
Without ever being elected.
I disagree with your assessment of Sunak's motives for getting involved. You are correct- this is not a vote winner. Getting involved in yet another unwinnable war in the Middle East would be deeply unpopular in the UK, as it would also be for Biden in the US. If you and I both know that, then you can be absolutely sure that Sunak and Biden know it too. The last thing they need during an election campaign is pictures of body-bags being taken off aircraft.
The only ones who benefit from an escalation between Israel and Iran is Netanyahu and his hard-line cronies. That's why he has been goading Iran for the past few months (not that those mad bastards need much goading). Iran has now kindly given Netanyahu exactly what he needed to cling on to power while his credibility over Gala tumbles.
I think the reason that the UK and US have got involved in shooting down Iranian drones and missiles is that they had very little other choice. What was the alternative? Allow the drones and missiles to strike Israel and give Netanyahu even more of an excuse to ramp things up? I may be completely wrong on this, but it seems like the US and UK are trying to dampen things down and prevent an all-out escalation, rather than getting involved in an unwinnable war themselves.
I don't think for a minute that it will work. Netanyahu seems determined to dial things up to 11 regardless of the long term consequences, and the US and UK are in an almost impossible position of trying to both protect and dissuade their ally, who doesn't seem to be be paying them much attention.
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Before anyone mentions it, I know Josip Manolic is a hit for a few players here. It will affect the top 10, but not change the leader, so I will wait a bit before another update.
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2 hours ago, Toast said:More dumbing down.
Perhaps.
Alternatively, it is an attempt to sell the game to people who either
a. wouldn't normally be into word based games, or
b. already own the standard game, but might buy the new board to play with kids etc.
One persons "dumbed-down woke inclusive nonsense" is another persons "let's make our product sellable to as wide a customer base as possible"
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So we are at the quarter mark, and the first quarter has seen plenty of action as racers jockey for position. Before we get to the business end, a few bits of housekeeping to be done.
Oscar Quitak, a pick for @msc, is widely accepted by deadpoolers to have died on 31st December, although nothing resembling a QO has appeared. Ideally I would like something more solid before allowing in a sub. However I am going to invoke rule 5.1 which says that "picks are not accepted if it cannot be reasonably ascertained that they are actually alive". Quitak is out, former SDP founder Bill Rodgers is subbed in.
Nigerian politician Rotimi Akeredolu definitely died on 27th December. He was a pick for @drolwho evidently has not been keeping an eye on his team
. Ma Shitu is subbed in.
A thorough search of all the names has picked up a few hits who were missed along the way. A gentle reminder again folks: it really helps if players do an occasional check on their own picks, as there are too many obscure names for me to look them all up regularly.
January 11th - Yuri Solomin - picked by @drol
January 16th - Laurie Johnson - picked by @msc
February 6th Robert M. Young - picked by @Torva Messor
These are the fallers since the last update:
March 26th: Swami Smaranananda
March 29th: Ma Shitu
March 29th - Imogen Stuart
April 2nd - Juan Vincent Perez
April 2nd - Maryse Conde
April 2nd - Veljko Bulajic
April 2nd - Zhang Lixiong
April 4th - Lynne Reid Banks
@arghtonis absolutely nailing this one, racking up the early hits in the pool that rewards delayed gratification. As they mentioned in the post above, there were three more hits this time around as they race into an unsustainable lead. Even more unsustainable is @drol's second place, as 7 hits have also been racked up to get there. @gcreptilekeeps in touch in third place, but 6 down is not ideal.
@Famous6Evagets their first hit of the game to rise off the bottom, where 8 players still linger on nul points.
This is the full leaderboard, which also appears on page 1. There won't be an update for a while, as I psyche myself up to sort out who won last years Jokers pool. But please, please, please keep an eye on your picks, and let me know of any hits along the way
Arghton (454 points) 7 hits
[Abdul Taib Mahmud, Jaako Valtanen, Ma Shitu, Paul Vachon, Solihin GP, Swami Smaranananda, Zhang Lixiong]
Drol (313 points) 7 hits
[Jonnie Irwin, Ma Shitu, Mario Zagallo, Manohar Joshi, Toby Keith, Yuri Solomin, Zhang Lixiong]
Gcreptile (290 points) 6 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin, Paul Vachon, Thomas Stafford, Zhang Lixiong]
Captain Chorizo (277 points) 5 hits
[Glynis Johns, Lynne Reid Banks, Paul Vachon, Philip De Gaulle, Roland Bertin]
Yorkshire Banker (269 points) 2 hit
[Laurent De Brunhoff, Lynne Reid Banks*]
The RadGuy (251 points) 6 hits
[Brian Barczyk, Charlie Bird, Franz Beckenbauer, Joe Shannon, Jonnie Irwin*, Toby Keith]
An Fear Beag (190 points) 5 hits
[Charlie Bird, Frank Kitson, Imogen Stuart, Jonnie Irwin, Mike Sadler]
Toast (186 points) 4 hits
[Dave Myers*, Glynis Johns, Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
Buffalo Phil (184 points) 3 hits
[Iris Apfel, Jonnie Irwin, Juan Vincent Perez]
GrimUpNorth (185 points) 5 hits
[Dave Myers, Derek Draper, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin*, Toby Keith]
Prophet (156 points) 3 hits
[Jonnie Irwin, Malachy McCourt, Stan Bowles]
Wormfarmer (132 points) 2 hits
[Iris Apfel, Phillipe De Gaulle]
John Key (131 points) 3 hits
[Derek Draper, Joe Shannon, Jonnie Irwin]
Death By Arsenic (130 points) 3 hits
[Glynis Johns, Maryse Conde, Toby Keith]
WEP (126 points) 3 hits
[Charlie Bird, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin]
The Immortal (123 points) 3 hits
[Dries Van Agt, Toby Keith, Wilson Fittipaldi]
Salmon Mousse (123 points) 4 hits
[Dave Myers, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin, Roy Battersby]
Torva Messor (113 points) 5 hits
[Glynis Johns, Jack Burke Jr., Jonnie Irwin, Joyce Randolph*, Robert M. Young]
Imelda (112 points) 4 hits
[Charlie Bird, Derek Draper, Franz Beckenbauer Jonnie Irwin,]
Hell (109 points) 4 hits
[Charlie Bird, Derek Draper, Glynis Johns, Jonnie Irwin]
MariNisia (98 points) 3 hits
[Glynis Johns, Jack Burke Jr., Thomas Stafford]
Captain Hemlock (96 points) 2 hits
[John Okafor, Toby Keith]
LizLemon (95 points) 3 hits
[Glynis Johns, Iris Apfel, Jonnie Irwin]
Funeralopolis (94 points) 3 hits
[Dave Myers, Derek Draper, Jonnie Irwin]
Famous4Eva (92 points) 1 hit
[Veljko Bulajic]
Ghost of Christmas Past (92 points) 2 hits
[Iris Apfel, Jonnie Irwin]
MalePoster (87 points) 2 hits
[Chita Rivera, Nikolai Ryzhkov]
CalebH (86 points) 2 hits
[Dries Van Agt, Micheline Presle]
Etushispushingupdaisies (81 points) 4 hits
[Derek Draper*, Franz Beckenbauer, Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
Wannamaker (81 points) 5 hits
[Brian Barczyk, Franz Beckenbauer, Glynis Johns, Roger Donlan, Toby Keith]
Nantonian (80 points) 4 hits
[Derek Draper, Jack Burke Jr., Mario Zagallo, Stan Bowles]
Book (76 points) 3 hits
[Iris Apfel, Joyce Randolph, Mario Zagallo]
ZZZ - Boring Predictable Team (76 points) 4 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Glynis Johns, Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
The Old Lady (75 points) 3 hits
[Derek Draper*, Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
Dying Probably (72 points) 1 hit
[Phillipe De Gaulle]
Lady Fiona (67 points) 2 hits
[Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
The Unknown Man (67 points) 2 hits
[Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
Diego (63 points) 2 hits
[Glynis Johns, Iris Apfel]
GooseberryCrumble (63 points) 2 hits
[John Savident, Joyce Randolph]
Etib80 (63 points) 3 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Glynis Johns*, Micheline Presle]
Guy From Future (62 points) 1 hit
[Eleanor Collins]
Bibliogryphon (51 points) 1 hit
[John Savident]
DeathBecomesThem (38 points) 2 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Jonnie Irwin]
Sean (38 points) 2 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Jonnie Irwin]
Msc (37 points) 3 hits
[Glynis Johns, Laurie Johnson, Norman Jewison]
CharlesDeGaulle (35 points) 1 hit
[Toby Keith]
Zsa Zsa’s (35 points) 1 hit
[Toby Keith]
The Old Crem (35 points) 2 hits
TQR (35 points) 2 hits
[Glynis Johns, Jonnie Irwin]
Great Uncle Bulgaria (32 points) 1 hit
[Jonnie Irwin]
Willy Wonka422 (32 points) 1 hit
[Jonnie Irwin]
Time (29 points) 1 hit
[Chita Rivera]
WhoamI (15 points) 2 hits
[Glynis Johns, Joyce Randolph]
Thatcher (9 points) 1 hit
JoeMoneypenny (6 points) 1 hit
[Franz Beckenbauer]
YoungOne (6 points) 1 hit
[Franz Beckenbauer]
Pedro69 (3 points) 1 hits
[Mike Sadler]
Tracey (3 points) 1 hit
BabyBlue (0 points) 0 hits
Chel (0 points) 0 hit
Death Impends (0 points) 0 hits
Shamalka Amarasekera (0 points) 0 hits
Sod’s Law (0 points) 0 hits
TheKillingTime (0 points) 0 hits
ThereWillBeDeaths7 (0 points) 0 hits
Yvonne (0 points) 0 hits
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26 minutes ago, Sinbabad said:As for Black (or other minorities) playing "white" characters, what if it was the other way around ? For example if a White actor played Mandela, Martin Luther King or Toussaint Louverture, what would Black people feel ?
I am sure you can appreciate the difference between someone playing a fictional character (Juliet) and someone portraying a real life person like Mandela or King. In the latter case, we know what they looked like. In the former, they can look like anything you want them to look like.
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As an aside, I like the Mail's idea that the National Trust "secretly" changing the scone recipe is "virtue-signalling".
I would suggest that if you want to signal something, doing it secretly is probably not the best way to go about it.
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1 hour ago, The Great Cornholio said:Juliet isn't black though, she is Italian. So it would make sense for her to be (or look) Italian.
Like Claire Danes, you mean? She doesn't look remotely Italian, and yet no-one batted an eyelid. Why is it that people will accept pale white actors/actresses playing characters that should have darker skin (Glenda Jackson, Helen Mirren and Judy Dench all played the Egyptian Cleopatra on stage, and no-one cared), but have trouble accepting black actors/actresses playing the same characters?
And why are people obsessed that the actor/actress looks authentic? I have never seen an actress playing Juliet who sounded Italian (they all spoke English for a start!), and yet people suspended belief and accepted that they were Italian. So why is it so essential that they look a certain way?
1 hour ago, The Great Cornholio said:Otherwise its like making Mogli from the Jungle Book Swedish, deliberate inaccuracy for the sake of diversity.
Except it isn't. It would be the very opposite of diversity, given the relative number of parts available to actors of different ethnic backgrounds.
One big difference between The Jungle Book and Romeo and Juliet, is that while the jungle setting is essential to the story of the former, Italy is really not essential to the plot of Romeo and Juliet, in the same way that Denmark is not really essential to the plot of Hamlet. It is a play about star-crossed lovers, not about Verona. It could be set in Verona, Mississippi and the story would work just as well. So for the purpose of the play, it really does not matter what colour skin Romeo or Juliet have.
2 hours ago, The Great Cornholio said:Also who exactly is this helping?
Well, I'm guessing it's helping the actress who got to play the iconic role
2 hours ago, The Great Cornholio said:deliberate inaccuracy for the sake of diversity. Also who exactly is this helping? All black people? Seems kinda patronising tbh.
I will hold my hands up here and admit that I am not familiar with the version that you are referring to here - I have been speaking more generally. So if the director has come out and said that they gave the role to an actress purely because she black, then I will happily say that I disagree with that. However, more generally, I have an issue with people assuming that a role has been given to an actor/actress purely for the sake of diversity. Have you considered the possibility that he/she got the role because they are a bloody good actor/actress who deserved a shot at playing the part, despite peoples pre-conceived ideas of what the character should look like? How is giving good roles to good black actors/actresses patronising? Should we ban all non-white actors from doing Shakespeare (except Othello), because that is not how Shakespeare envisaged the characters 400 years ago?
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I'm not sure that I see what the problem is with giving the role of Juliet to a black woman, provided she is a good enough actress for the role. It is a fair while since I read or saw the play, but I don't recall anything in it that would make it essential that she is white. Juliet is a fictional part - she can be anything you want her to be. It's just that people are so used to seeing her played by white actresses that they cannot imagine her as anything else. You could argue that it is based in Italy, and therefore Juliet would not have been black (had she existed!). But I don't think she would have looked like Claire Danes either, and people seemed to accept that okay.
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A few weeks ago , I was in Manchester for the first time in 20 years, and I was shocked by the numbers of people sleeping rough on the streets. Its not the homelessness as such that surprised me - I see it every time I go into Dublin. It was just the numbers. I lived in Manchester years ago and of course there were people sleeping rough then. But I don't remember it at this sort of level. It seemed that every single street I walked down in the city centre had people sleeping rough in it.
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I think that for the benefit of us middle aged folk who are confused about the whole "woke" world that we seem to live in, it might be useful to have an easy reference list of "THINGS THAT ARE WOKE". That way we can just check the list when we come across something that may or may not be "woke", so we know what to be annoyed at.
So far we seems to have:
1. Margarine (I thinks it is the margarine that is "woke", not the scones, but I am open to correction!)
2. Licence fee increases
3. Historical accuracy
4. Comfortable workwear.
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I must admit that when I glanced at @TQR's original post on my phone earlier today, I thought that he was seriously creating a thread to highlight "woke" nonsense in the world, and I was wondering what the fuck was going on. It's only when I read it properly this evening that I realised that he wasn't being serious and it is a thread to highlight the ridiculous use of "woke" to describe pretty much anything that someone doesn't like or agree with.
As Torva said, what the fuck is "woke" about margarine? My mother has being using it for baking for as long as I can remember- she reckons it makes her cakes/scones lighter and fluffier (and yes I have checked - the marge she uses is vegan - no dairy additives at all.) She is 75 years old, and I don't think she has heard the term "woke", much less understands what it means. (To be honest, I am not sure I really understand what it means either).
From a purely business perspective, it makes absolute sense to use vegan margarine for commercial baking - it saves on having to make 2 batches of everything. Vegans can eat the stuff, and non-vegans are not going to notice the fucking difference.
I suppose the only reason they did it "secretly" is that if they announced that they were doing it, they would get a whole heap of shit from people who were determined to get offended over something that doesn't really matter. Which sounds a little bit "woke", no?
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On 01/03/2024 at 22:09, An Fear Beag said:Thanks - I reckon you are favourite in this match, but who knows. I have a good few picks who will either be dead in a week or they will be a completely wasted pick. Most of your guys are definitely dying soon - only question is whether it will be this month or not. Could be a good game.
All in all, a fairly accurate prediction of our match. Apart from the last bit - it wasn't a good game!
I knew I was in a spot of bother after the first week, when all of my ICU types survived (seriously Kaiti Grey - how?). My chances of success lay in getting an early lead that I could hang on to, and when that didn't materialise, I was always vulnerable to my opponents more long-term sickness picks. You are not going to win too many games if you don't score!
Best of luck @max_bossetti - hope you go on and win it now.
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On 25/03/2024 at 10:30, YoungWillz said:Irish-German sculptor Imogen Stuart reportedly dead: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/03/25/prolific-irish-german-sculptor-imogen-stuart-dies-aged-96/
DDP pick.
Picked for my Irish theme team. Death is reported over the Irish media but I fear she is destined to remain on the Lost of the Lost. I didn't have high hopes for her to be honest.
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On 25/03/2024 at 20:54, ladyfiona said:Random question. Why is Captain Chorizo's hits underlined?
Fucked if I know.
I copy and paste off the Word document I use for the scoreboard, and for some reason random bits get underlined. I don't know enough to figure out why, or care enough to change it.
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As next week marks the end of the first quarter, I will do a full google search of all the names to see what deaths we may have missed. To make life a little easier on myself, here is an update with what I have got so far.
February 19th: Roland Bertin
February 21st: Abdul Taib Mahmud
February 28th: Nikolai Ryzhkov
February 29th: Paul Vachon
March 1st: Iris Apfel
March 2nd: John Okafor
March 3rd: Eleanor Collins
March 4th: Joe Shannon
March 5th: Solihin GP
March 11th: Charlie Bird
March 11th: Malachy McCourt
March 13th: Phillipe De Gaulle
March 18th: Thomas P. Stafford
March 22nd: Laurent De Brunhoff
And so we have a brand new podium, with @RadGuyhaving an Irish double of Bird and Shannon to take the lead. @gcreptileis in a familiar position near the top with a Vachon/Stafford double, while @arghtongoes one better with 3 hits in this update to move up into 3rd.
4 players have lifted themselves of the foot of the table as @Dying Probably, @GuyFromFuture , @Wormfarmer and @YorkshireBankerall get their first hits of the game, with Wormfarmer following up with a second hit to move into 8th. 9 players have still not bothered to take to the track yet, including twice champion @Death Impendsand also @chelwhose entire team could be lying decomposing in labs across Russia without anyone actually realising that they died months ago.
Here is the top-10. Full scoreboard on page one. Full update next week.
The RadGuy (251 points) 6 hits
[Brian Barczyk, Charlie Bird, Franz Beckenbauer, Joe Shannon, Jonnie Irwin*, Toby Keith]
Gcreptile (198 points) 5 hits
[Franz Beckenbauer, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin, Paul Vachon, Thomas Stafford]
Arghton (190 points) 4 hits
[Abdul Taib Mahmud, Jaako Valtanen, Paul Vachon, Solihin GP]
Toast (186 points) 4 hits
[Dave Myers*, Glynis Johns, Jonnie Irwin, Toby Keith]
Captain Chorizo (183 points) 4 hits
[Glynis Johns, Paul Vachon, Philip De Gaulle, Roland Bertin]
GrimUpNorth (185 points) 5 hits
[Dave Myers, Derek Draper, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin*, Toby Keith]
Prophet (156 points) 3 hits
[Jonnie Irwin, Malachy McCourt, Stan Bowles]
Wormfarmer (132 points) 2 hits
[Iris Apfel, Phillipe De Gaulle]
John Key (131 points) 3 hits
[Derek Draper, Joe Shannon, Jonnie Irwin]
WEP (126 points) 3 hits
[Charlie Bird, Jason Smith, Jonnie Irwin]
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5 minutes ago, Toast said:Checking with the OED, it does seem that, strictly speaking, Millwall is right and the term is not confined to sexual abuse of children.
My impression is that it's acquired a more specific meaning over time. Unlike 'paedophile' which is being used indiscriminately now.
My understanding, and I may be completely wrong on this, was that the term "nonce" is now taken to mean a paedophile. Or at very least someone who shags/abuses people under the age of consent.
However, there is no evidence that Stagg had anything to do with underage kids. In fact, when he was questioned by the Gardai, the man in the car with him was in his twenties.
Irish minister set to survive scandal | The Independent | The Independent
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On 21/03/2024 at 23:36, millwall32 said:Just read his obit.
Seems to have the rare double-distinction of being a nonce with an IRA brother who had to be buried three separate times.
I think you need to learn to read more carefully.
Emmet Stagg was many things, but there is absolutely no evidence that he was a "nonce", at least not by my understanding of the word.
For those who haven't read about him, the scandal surrounding him was that he was questioned by Gardai after being discovered loitering in an area of the Phoenix Park known to be frequented by male prostitutes. That was it. He was not arrested and was not charged with, much less convicted of, any crime.
One could charitably invoke the "innocent until proven guilty" principle, and say that he was just out enjoying a late-night stroll in a public park, which everyone is free to do. However, even if you assume that he was attempting to pick up a prostitute, that does not make him a nonce, as @Toastwould no doubt be happy to explain to you.
From my memory of the event, there was a reasonable amount of righteous indignation form the usual sources, and a fair amount of snickering amusement. However, there was also quite a lot of sympathy for Stagg, as the Gardai leaked his name to the press despite him not having actually done anything illegal, something which they have a nasty little habit of doing.
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Political Discussions And Ranting Thread
in DeathList extra-curricular
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Am I missing something here? Would it not be cheaper and easier to buy them a house and chuck them half a million quid to live on, rather than spending £1.8m a head like this?
I get that it is supposed to act as some sort of deterrent. But these are people who have travelled half way around the world in the back of a sealed-up truck, or sailed across the Channel on a dustbin lid. If the threat of suffocation or drowning hasn't deterred them, will the threat of a first-class ticket to Rwanda really do the trick?