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tbh if Octopus started a thread about chefs hurt "while BBQing", I'd naturally assume it was just and reasonable thread based on the thread starter. :D

 

 

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That just puts the exclamation mark on some frankly horrible health issues Gordon McQueen has been sadly dealing with a while.  He had quite serious throat cancer a decade ago, and then a massive stroke which nearly killed him a few years ago. He's not going to be around for long, I'm afraid.

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I don't understand why there isn't (or doesn't seem to be) more fuss about boxing and UFC, sports where the main objective is to rattle the other guy's brains around in his skull. I suppose there are a lot fewer famous boxers in the UK than footballers though?

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A possibility: Franz Beckenbauer. His lawyers said a week ago that he suffers from a progressive neurological disease with no expectation of improvement:

https://apnews.com/article/international-soccer-world-cup-statutes-franz-beckenbauer-germany-bd01f9fea23cd41bbd73c5d154209880

 

Could be an exaggeration for legal purposes though.

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29 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

A possibility: Franz Beckenbauer. His lawyers said a week ago that he suffers from a progressive neurological disease with no expectation of improvement:

https://apnews.com/article/international-soccer-world-cup-statutes-franz-beckenbauer-germany-bd01f9fea23cd41bbd73c5d154209880

 

Could be an exaggeration for legal purposes though.

There was someone else who pulled that one before and then appeared to make a miraculous recovery. Ironically I can't think who 

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3 hours ago, DCI Frank Burnside said:

There was someone else who pulled that one before and then appeared to make a miraculous recovery. Ironically I can't think who 

Ernest Saunders

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On 26/02/2021 at 07:11, harrymcnallysblueandwhitearmy said:

I don't understand why there isn't (or doesn't seem to be) more fuss about boxing and UFC, sports where the main objective is to rattle the other guy's brains around in his skull. I suppose there are a lot fewer famous boxers in the UK than footballers though?

 

 

Those sports are in real trouble the second they're included because they'd be rendered underground/obsolete since you couldn't modify them without destroying them if you had to take brain damage into account. Football and rugby seem - just about - savable.

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On 26/02/2021 at 07:11, harrymcnallysblueandwhitearmy said:

I don't understand why there isn't (or doesn't seem to be) more fuss about boxing and UFC, sports where the main objective is to rattle the other guy's brains around in his skull. I suppose there are a lot fewer famous boxers in the UK than footballers though?

 

It's not included in the same discussion, which I agree is odd, but it is talked about. Plenty of these former champions with lasting neurological conditions, most notably of course Ali, are clearly linked to their time in the ring. I believe the rationale behind removing the head guards in the amateur boxing at the Olympics was because wearing a helmet in some way increased the power of the impact or something. 

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Football without heading is just about imaginable. Heading the ball could be illegal like handball is - the game would still work, just be different.

 

i struggle to see where rugby goes from here.

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34 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

Billy Bingham added to the list - has had dementia for 15 years and the last three of them has been receiving round-the-clock care. Bingham is 90 this year.

 

https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1748375/billy-bingham-a-hero-from-classical-times

 

 

90, with dementia - just for the laugh, like...wait until he falls asleep and play the sound of Messerschmidt engine, slowly turning up the volume!

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Crossposting here Frank Worthington is dead.

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@Octopus of Odstock A bit of Chinese whispers I've picked up from previously decent sources that I thought I'd see if you knew anything about. Apparently Terry Yorath (of Leeds, Spurs and Wales fame) was convalescing in 2019 at the Leeds Recovery Hub, which is currently for covid, but was at the time mostly specialising in dementia care.

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46 minutes ago, msc said:

@Octopus of Odstock A bit of Chinese whispers I've picked up from previously decent sources that I thought I'd see if you knew anything about. Apparently Terry Yorath (of Leeds, Spurs and Wales fame) was convalescing in 2019 at the Leeds Recovery Hub, which is currently for covid, but was at the time mostly specialising in dementia care.

 

Excellent sleuthing! I seem to recall seeing something that he wasn't 100 per cent. And of course he is ex Leeds who seem to have 700 former legends Ill these days. 

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2 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

Excellent sleuthing! I seem to recall seeing something that he wasn't 100 per cent. And of course he is ex Leeds who seem to have 700 former legends Ill these days. 

 

Yeah, they seem to have done a Faustian pact to get back in the Premier League, even signed the great Bielsa-bub as their manager. 

 

Mick Bates is likely the next of Revie's boys to go - the talk on Leeds fan forums is months to live.

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25 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

Excellent sleuthing! I seem to recall seeing something that he wasn't 100 per cent. And of course he is ex Leeds who seem to have 700 former legends Ill these days. 

I could have sworn that I read something from Gabby confirming that he had dementia?

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31 minutes ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

I could have sworn that I read something from Gabby confirming that he had dementia?

That's what I thought I saw. 

 

Talking of ex Leeds, Chris Kamara has gone in for a brain scan due to dementia concerns. Precaution, curiosity or something else? 

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14 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

That's what I thought I saw. 

 

Talking of ex Leeds, Chris Kamara has gone in for a brain scan due to dementia concerns. Precaution, curiosity or something else? 

 

It could just be for a feature of one of the TV shows he works for - he's done health related things when appearing on Channel 4's "Steph's Packed Lunch".

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10 hours ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

That's what I thought I saw. 

 

Talking of ex Leeds, Chris Kamara has gone in for a brain scan due to dementia concerns. Precaution, curiosity or something else? 

A few weeks ago, while doing his normal link from a game he was covering, he sounded bloody awful, his speech was slurred like he was drunk. 

I actually thought that he would get pulled off air, so bad he sounded.

Subsequent weeks have seen him his normal self, if not ever so slightly subdued.

Maybe there is a clue in there somewhere?

 

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Not sure if anyone saw the Jack Charlton documentary but it was absorbing viewing - both happy and sad. 

Especially when you saw him with Maurice Setters who also died in 2020 with both suffering from dementia. 

Anyway, Frank Wignall, ex England international also has dementia although if he's given an interview, he must be in early stages. https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/broken-legs-pay-rises-managing-5260209.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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On 07/12/2020 at 18:39, Sean said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/13409745/kenny-sansom-dementia-brain-disorder/ : Kenny Sansom diagnosed with Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome a type of dementia which is alcohol-induced normally.The statement says this is reversible.Only 20% of cases are and that is dependent on abstaining from alcohol.

 

Hi everyone, I'm back. I'm feeling good. I'm walking okay, but I couldn't play football. I know I'm improving, so that's good news. I'm going for walks every day. My memory is getting better too. Thanks to @Arsenal and Palace (@CPFC) for the new clothes. https://t.co/gVcp7Vbd3s

 

Not sure if this tweet will embed but Sansom looks a bit better and his memory is improving. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Octopus of Odstock said:

 

Hi everyone, I'm back. I'm feeling good. I'm walking okay, but I couldn't play football. I know I'm improving, so that's good news. I'm going for walks every day. My memory is getting better too. Thanks to @Arsenal and Palace (@CPFC) for the new clothes. https://t.co/gVcp7Vbd3s

 

Not sure if this tweet will embed but Sansom looks a bit better and his memory is improving. 

 

 

Wh-wh-what!!!!

 

You mean, there is a God?

 

I had him down to beat Gazza to the exit door.

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