Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex

[Sean 6,329]

I also find it hilarious that they brutally cut off her father for sharing personal correspondence with the press when that is all they ever do themselves these days.

 

It is the self indulgent whinging that boils my piss.Two of the most privileged people in the whole world moaning how hard done by they are whilst people are strugglling to put food on the table.They are the perfect definition of the term "first world problems".

[arghton 6,745]

He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl which cracked under my back

 

Sounds somewhat like the start of some rougher porno 

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,346]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Disagree with this. 12 months ago I think this was the case. The most recent polls that have been carried out on this by YouGov etc. show the British public en mass have turned on both of them.

Good post.  Also many people who were say 16-30 when Diana died were pro Diana over the royal family.  As they have become older and see things in a more nuanced,  rounded and less black and white way their opinion of Diana versus the royal family has changed. 

They see the complexity with Diana and with the situation and less of the innocent saintly victim and evil royal family and establishment. 

So anyone emotionally investing in the notion that under 40s may be more sympathetic to Harry and Meghan and thus anti monarchy are going to be disappointed in the long run.

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,346]

1 minute ago, Sean said:

I also find it hilarious that they brutally cut off her father for sharing personal correspondence with the press when that is all they ever do themselves these days.

 

It is the self indulgent whinging that boils my piss.Two of the most privileged people in the whole world moaning how hard done by they are whilst people are strugglling to put food on the table.They are the perfect definition of the term "first world problems".

If they were being consistent  and were as fully embracing equality  as they claim then they should be just as keen on reconciling with Thomas Markle as they are with the wealthy royal family. 

[Sean 6,329]

5 hours ago, Toast said:

The extract leaked to the Guardian is hilarious stuff.

 

The brave war hero tells how

" He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace,    and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out "

 

PMSL

 

 

 

It just sounds so pathetic like he was a poor defenceless old woman robbed in the street by a gang member with a knife.So melodramatic.

[The Old Crem 3,605]

I think they have become more polarising. Majority hate them but those who like them now seem to love them. The long term effects of all this drama won’t be seen until the under 25 generation start to gain power and influence in twenty years or so. 

[TQR 14,398]

15 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

The account of the alleged fight with William sounds incredibly one sided.

Er…yes, because there has been no response.

 

15 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

People whether they are pro or anti monarchy  can see the inconsistencies and details that don't make sense. 

There is a perfectly  rational case for not believing in monarchy without attaching yourself supportively to Meghan and Harry's tales of woe.

What I and many others see is, as Perhaps described, is a couple who have been hounded to a Caroline Flack-esque extent by the press for refusing to dance to their tune, and admonished by the royals for the crime of not sticking to convention. Republican sentiment (as in anti-monarchy; it’s amazing how the US has dirtied that word) has been burgeoning separately to this charade.

 

Harry and Meghan’s poor behaviour has come after the traumatic time they were put through, in their determination to keep the fire fuelled now they’re not within singeing distance. And as long as the twisted news stories and the borderline-psychotic obsessive storytelling about them continues, so will they.

 

Also, on a serious note (I know you haven’t said this, Gooseberry), do not EVER accuse someone of lying about suicidal feelings. EVER.

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33 minutes ago, TQR said:

Er…yes, because there has been no response.

 

What I and many others see is, as Perhaps described, is a couple who have been hounded to a Caroline Flack-esque extent by the press for refusing to dance to their tune, and admonished by the royals for the crime of not sticking to convention. Republican sentiment (as in anti-monarchy; it’s amazing how the US has dirtied that word) was burgeoning separately to this charade.

 

Harry and Meghan’s poor behaviour has come after the traumatic time they were put through, in their determination to keep the fire fuelled now they’re not within singeing distance. And as long as the twisted news stories and the borderline-psychotic obsessive storytelling about them continues, so will they.

 

Also, on a serious note (I know you haven’t said this, Gooseberry), do not EVER accuse someone of lying about suicidal feelings. EVER.

I don't believe they were put through a traumatic  time  and I don't think it's wise regardless to use that to downplay their bad behaviour. 

No not one sided because William hasn't responded but one sided as in the account given leaves out basic details about Harry's role in the fight. He is not obliged to see himself as an innocent victim in every encounter.  He could be more honest with himself.  Many people are. When I describe a row with someone I don't paint myself as 100% innocent. 

 

Also he is claiming  William and Kate told him to wear the Nazi  uniform.  Sounds like he is stuck as a teenager nothing is ever his fault. 

[Perhaps 1,423]

8 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

I think they have become more polarising. Majority hate them but those who like them now seem to love them. The long term effects of all this drama won’t be seen until the under 25 generation start to gain power and influence in twenty years or so. 

 

I'm neither a lover or a hater of the monarchy, I just find it entertaining how they're winding up all the right people. I don't see how this is any different to when the Kardashians or the recent Love Island cast have their own little public spats.

 

Anyway I only entertained this because I had some downtime at work, have fun shouting at each other in this thread queens!

[Ulitzer95 12,641]

5 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Good post.  Also many people who were say 16-30 when Diana died were pro Diana over the royal family.  As they have become older and see things in a more nuanced,  rounded and less black and white way their opinion of Diana versus the royal family has changed. 

They see the complexity withdrawal, with the situation and less of the innocent saintly victim and evil royal family and establishment. 

So anyone emotionally investing in the notion that under 40s may be more sympathetic to Harry and Meghan and thus anti monarchy are going to be disappointed in the long run.

Exactly. I applaud the open mindedness and warmness of younger people at almost always taking the words of others at face value. However, time has taught me to be sceptical. I'm only in my early 30s and yet I've met so many megalomaniacs/psychopaths/egotists who have tried to harm me, my friends or my family. These types feed off victimhood, when in reality they're the route perpetrator of the problems.

As someone who knows scores of staff who work or have worked in the royal residencies, I'm not invested in what the press say about them. I base my perception off of what ppl who I trust have said of them. The accounts of Meghan are like horror stories – bullying, harassment, screaming, objects thrown. The staff turnover at Kensington Palace during their time in residence was horrific. Many left on their own accord, but Meghan had many babysitters, guards etc. sacked. They were scared of her – she showed them no respect and ordered them around as if they were her slaves.

Recently elements of the press that were previously sympathetic are now turning on them. There are few commentators in the UK fighting their corner, other than that Scobie character. They're losing the battle and they ought to disappear into obscurity... which if you are gullible enough to believe their earlier statements about wanting privacy and evading the press, is what they should want(!) Agree to the above on the inconsistencies of what they say and them subsequently turning out to be false. If you have a quick Google you can find lists of lies they've told that have been exposed. The claim that they were secretly married in private by the Archbishop of Canterbury before their actual wedding is one that springs to mind. Very little respect left for Oprah Winfrey after that interview. She took everything that they said as fact and challenged nothing.

[Ulitzer95 12,641]

11 minutes ago, TQR said:

 

Also, on a serious note (I know you haven’t said this, Gooseberry), do not EVER accuse someone of lying about suicidal feelings. EVER.

If we all listened to your advice, Sinead O'Connor would be at the top of the DDP Drop Forty every year...

[TQR 14,398]

2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

If we all listened to your advice, Sinead O'Connor would be at the top of the DDP Drop Forty every year...

Yep. And fewer people would commit suicide.

[Ulitzer95 12,641]

Just now, TQR said:

Yep. And fewer people would commit suicide.

This is Deathlist, not the Samaritans. Go and virtue signal elsewhere.

[TQR 14,398]

2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

This is Deathlist, not the Samaritans. Go and virtue signal elsewhere.

Your argument would only be valid if this place really was as sick as the Daily Star says.

 

What’s the opposite of virtue signalling?

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46 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Exactly. I applaud the open mindedness and warmness of younger people at almost always taking the words of others at face value. However, time has taught me to be sceptical. I'm only in my early 30s and yet I've met so many megalomaniacs/psychopaths/egotists who have tried to harm me, my friends or my family. These types feed off victimhood, when in reality they're the route perpetrator of the problems.

As someone who knows scores of staff who work or have worked in the royal residencies, I'm not invested in what the press say about them. I base my perception off of what ppl who I trust have said of them. The accounts of Meghan are like horror stories – bullying, harassment, screaming, objects thrown. The staff turnover at Kensington Palace during their time in residence was horrific. Many left on their own accord, but Meghan had many babysitters, guards etc. sacked. They were scared of her – she showed them no respect and ordered them around as if they were her slaves.

Recently elements of the press that were previously sympathetic are now turning on them. There are few commentators in the UK fighting their corner, other than that Scobie character. They're losing the battle and they ought to disappear into obscurity... which if you are gullible enough to believe their earlier statements about wanting privacy and evading the press, is what they should want(!) Agree to the above on the inconsistencies of what they say and them subsequently turning out to be false. If you have a quick Google you can find lists of lies they've told that have been exposed. The claim that they were secretly married in private by the Archbishop of Canterbury before their actual wedding is one that springs to mind. Very little respect left for Oprah Winfrey after that interview. She took everything that they said as fact and challenged nothing.

Excellent post. 

 

The more indiscrete they are the more difficult it becomes for them to be accepted into elite circles like Hollywood. 

Their long term plan  does not seem very well thought through.  They have fired all their bullets but were will that leave them in terms of relevance etc in a few years?

Not where they want to be I suspect. 

[Toast 16,140]

1 hour ago, The Old Crem said:

I think they have become more polarising. Majority hate them but those who like them now seem to love them. The long term effects of all this drama won’t be seen until the under 25 generation start to gain power and influence in twenty years or so. 

 

On that point I agree with Gooseberry.  And as Ulitzer said, time and experience tends to teach us not to take everything at face value.

 

2 hours ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Also many people who were say 16-30 when Diana died were pro Diana over the royal family.  As they have become older and see things in a more nuanced,  rounded and less black and white way their opinion of Diana versus the royal family has changed. 

They see the complexity with Diana and with the situation and less of the innocent saintly victim and evil royal family and establishment. 

So anyone emotionally investing in the notion that under 40s may be more sympathetic to Harry and Meghan and thus anti monarchy are going to be disappointed in the long run.

 

 

And I'll post the link again to an article which comments on the serious wider issues being stirred up.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3784176-the-trouble-with-harry-and-meghan/

[The Old Crem 3,605]

I think some will but I think some won’t - depends through on many other things. 

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

Let's face it, despite her being welcomed with open arms, the streets, 10 deep, cheering the couple on their wedding day etc, etc, they think they have been seriously wronged by, like, EVERYBODY.

They are a pair of cunts.

[RoverAndOut 4,746]

I just don't get what they *want* (aside from another day if press headlines, and that's not me being catty, it just seems that's the first concern at the moment: the Oprah interview, the Netflix series, the book).

 

He keeps talking about reconciliation and moving forward, but then adds further fuel to the fire and continues to drag up the past. The Palace won't comment. To do so makes it a 'he said, he said' between Harry and William and just feeds the press animal more (giving Harry more ammunition for playing the victim because the mainstream press support the institution, so will take William's side). He claims the ball's in the Firm's court, but what does he want from them? An apology? His HRH back? His 'half in, half out' arrangement the Queen vetoed? And if he doesn't get it, what? Ever more lurid allegations? Ever greater Netflix access to the Duke and Duchess of California? 

 

It's just something doesn't add up. It appears the story that is emerging from this book is that Harry has hated his life since a very young age, has constantly been jealous of his brother, hates his stepmother and was saved from this purgatory by a glamorous American actress who gave his escape. But that isn't the outward picture that came across. They were close at William's wedding (not for show, you could see it in their private interactions in the church). He and William started the Royal Foundation together, Kate joined them and became a trio. They were together at the London Olympics. Despite his image as a partier and his youthful misteps like the uniform, he received hugely positive press when he joined the regular army and went to Iraq. So either he's been quietly stewing all these injustices for at least a decade, while outwardly remaining close to his brother, or something suddenly change in the late 2010s. Who knows...

[Sean 6,329]

It is now revealed that he chronicles in his book about how he lost his virginity and took drugs as a teenager.What next?Talking about his first wank or the time he did a shit so big it blocked the bog?Talk about emotional incontinence.

[Sean 6,329]

4 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said:

I just don't get what they *want* (aside from another day if press headlines, and that's not me being catty, it just seems that's the first concern at the moment: the Oprah interview, the Netflix series, the book).

 

He keeps talking about reconciliation and moving forward, but then adds further fuel to the fire and continues to drag up the past. The Palace won't comment. To do so makes it a 'he said, he said' between Harry and William and just feeds the press animal more (giving Harry more ammunition for playing the victim because the mainstream press support the institution, so will take William's side). He claims the ball's in the Firm's court, but what does he want from them? An apology? His HRH back? His 'half in, half out' arrangement the Queen vetoed? And if he doesn't get it, what? Ever more lurid allegations? Ever greater Netflix access to the Duke and Duchess of California? 

 

It's just something doesn't add up. It appears the story that is emerging from this book is that Harry has hated his life since a very young age, has constantly been jealous of his brother, hates his stepmother and was saved from this purgatory by a glamorous American actress who gave his escape. But that isn't the outward picture that came across. They were close at William's wedding (not for show, you could see it in their private interactions in the church). He and William started the Royal Foundation together, Kate joined them and became a trio. They were together at the London Olympics. Despite his image as a partier and his youthful misteps like the uniform, he received hugely positive press when he joined the regular army and went to Iraq. So either he's been quietly stewing all these injustices for at least a decade, while outwardly remaining close to his brother, or something suddenly change in the late 2010s. Who knows...

Also I recall there being lots of support from the public when he married Meghan .He seems to have some very warped emotionally charged perceptions of the past.

[Lard Bazaar 3,799]

5 hours ago, Toast said:

 

 

 

* There are photographs showing her happy and laughing on the same day she was allegedly suicidal.

 

 

With respect, this means absolutely nothing. 

[Toast 16,140]

7 minutes ago, Lard Bazaar said:

With respect, this means absolutely nothing. 

 

I'm aware that people who commit suicide can appear happy before doing it, and I imagine that they experience a sense of release having made the decision.

However this individual did not commit or attempt suicide, and I don't believe she ever felt suicidal. Everything that comes out of her mouth is a lie.

[The Old Crem 3,605]

I think he is trolling people. So many of the main claims are making people just laugh. 

[MrWonderful 481]

He and his wife are both cunts.  They deserve each other.