Russell Brand

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5 hours ago, Deadboy999 said:

Never liked him.

I will admit I found him quite intriguing when he was first on the scene, but his schtick wore very thin very quickly. He was also rude to my mum once so that put me off him.  

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It's been years since I sat down to watch anything on Channel 4 and Dispatches made me realise why. No doubt Brand was a gross self-indulgent pig, but the whole milieu around him was so degraded - educated middle-class people in the business of selling vulgar trash.

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3 hours ago, Youth in Asia said:

 

He used to call loads of random people on the show, I don't think that made him his pal. And these allegations are way way lower on the scale than Savile, who was a paedo and necrophiliac amongst other things.

He doesn't have a mainstream career anymore, and his online presence will probably be fine. His promiscuous behavior was clear to anyone who listened to his shows or read his books.

So unless there is something big that they are saving for round 2 then I'm not convinced this story will stick around for long. There doesn't seem to be a great deal more to say.

 

 

Not sure it's that trivial, multiple claiments already, including one in the US saying he raped her. The people fronting the first wave of accusations are The Sunday Times and Channel 4's Dispatches, both well-versed in the need to stand this up (heh heh) so's they don't get sued, so this could well mean charges in due course and whether it's Saville grade is irrelevent to whether he's facing a custodial sentence if enough of this shit sticks. Strikes me there's already a self-identifying victim on the BBC website discussing an apparent switch in his personality as he locked a bedroom door and tried raping her. Seriously, link that witness account to the stuff he's freely shared on his drug use and a decent barrister would shred Brand's claims to be any kind of reliable witness to whether that woman was consenting and the level of danger he presented to women in that state. 

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Doesn't surprise me if it's true, always thought he was a prick. Even more so after his involvement with the far right.

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Only film I found him good in was Rock of Ages, which itself was a terrible film. Although it did have Brian Cranston being spanked by a nun while singing.

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Love it how this thread is full of ppl weighing up his career/politics and deciding whether or not to ostracise and demonise him based on that alone, in light of these allegations. 
 

Strange behaviour, and always innocent until proven guilty. Be better folks. 

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Yeah, leave this most probable rapist with victims’ medical assessments and convincing accounts from various victims and witnesses alone, with books and recordings that practically confirm all of it, you over-politicised fuckers.

[maryportfuncity 10,630]

Aye, we've already moved beyond assumptions of guilt when the news stories from the more reputable places are saying the "industry" has a case to answer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66836556

 

He used to present himself as the alternative to politics, preaching virtue whilst privately pursuing vice - have the Tories approached him about becoming a candidate yet?

 

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51 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said:

Aye, we've already moved beyond assumptions of guilt when the news stories from the more reputable places are saying the "industry" has a case to answer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66836556

 

He used to present himself as the alternative to politics, preaching virtue whilst privately pursuing vice - have the Tories approached him about becoming a candidate yet?

 

Face palming you over how lazy and ridiculous this is.

 

To suggest Brand likes the Tories one single bit because he has recently lurched to the right is laughable. That’s like saying Noam Chomsky is a big fan of Starmer because they’re both from the left. On the contrary, Brand is part of a niche libertarian mindset that despises the status quo, the existing political system, the blob, MSM etc. Brand has always represented a fringe, pseudo-anarchist style of politics, and even though he’s lurched to the right more so recently I still wouldn’t term him as either predominantly left or right. I mean this is the same dude who tried to get Corbyn elected several years ago and slated Brexit and the Tories persistently over a long period of time. Ppl seem to have quite short term memories…

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39 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Face palming you over how lazy and ridiculous this is.

 

To suggest Brand likes the Tories one single bit because he has recently lurched to the right is laughable. That’s like saying Noam Chomsky is a big fan of Starmer because they’re both from the left. On the contrary, Brand is part of a niche libertarian mindset that despises the status quo, the existing political system, the blob, MSM etc. Brand has always represented a fringe, pseudo-anarchist style of politics, and even though he’s lurched to the right more so recently I still wouldn’t term him as either predominantly left or right. I mean this is the same dude who tried to get Corbyn elected several years ago and slated Brexit and the Tories persistently over a long period of time. Ppl seem to have quite short term memories…

-Starmer
-Left
lol, imao.

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anyways if all of this is true about brand, he should be imprisoned for life.

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Whatever this guy was smoking must be really powerful:

 

 

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6 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Face palming you over how lazy and ridiculous this is.

 

To suggest Brand likes the Tories one single bit because he has recently lurched to the right is laughable. That’s like saying Noam Chomsky is a big fan of Starmer because they’re both from the left. On the contrary, Brand is part of a niche libertarian mindset that despises the status quo, the existing political system, the blob, MSM etc. Brand has always represented a fringe, pseudo-anarchist style of politics, and even though he’s lurched to the right more so recently I still wouldn’t term him as either predominantly left or right. I mean this is the same dude who tried to get Corbyn elected several years ago and slated Brexit and the Tories persistently over a long period of time. Ppl seem to have quite short term memories…

 

 

You get that was ironic, right - i.e. the self-proclaimed alternative to corrupt politics who openly called for a revolution now looking as sleazy and coercive as those he railed against. An honest opinion, he's too narcissistic and unclubbable to lead any movement other than one based on him, personally. 

 

Metropolitan Police and LAPD currently claiming nobody has actually reported a crime to them, yet. Unlikely this'll go away any time soon, mind. If I were betting this blizzard of publicity will bring other claiments out into the open very soon.

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Katy Perry on Russell Brand and their marriage.

 

“I felt a lot of responsibility for it ending, but then I found out the real truth, which I can’t necessarily disclose because I keep it locked in my safe for a rainy day,” Perry said in 2013. “I let go and I was like: This isn’t because of me; this is beyond me. So I have moved on from that.”

 

I'm pretty sure a lot of NDA's have been signed and he has a good lawyer.

 

Anyway she's with Orlando Bloom and they have children so i'm sure she's moved on from that part of her life (or tried to move on).

[Youth in Asia 1,085]

I love how the newspapers are now creating whole articles just by writing out passages from one of his books.

Talk about lazy journalism. This is one (from "My Booky Wook"):

He casually compared pressuring women for sex to asking his parents for a pet: “In a way, having to lobby so relentlessly to secure a pet set me in good stead in later life when seducing pious women. “‘Please take your bra off! Please?’ ‘Can I see your bottom? Oh go on?’ By puberty I had learned that nothing worth having could be easily attained and that to succeed one must be single minded. By my twenties I would relish the challenge of chaste maids and the search for the correct combination of words required to decode their moral resistance.“ Jumping through hoops, ducking questions, feigning indifference to sex. ‘I’m not bothered about sex, we can just cuddle.’ The nobstacle course, I call it.” He added: “Now if I want something – whether it’s a job or a woman – I will determinedly, resolutely, remove anything that’s in the way, until I possess the object of my desire.”

 

Even the ex-girlfriend that said he raped her on one occasion does not seem to be considering reporting it to the police, and the other complaints seem to be more about his emotional manipulation of people. Which is shitty behaviour but not illegal.

So apart from cancelling him from the mainstream in which he no longer operates, I'm not sure what else there is left.

He'll stay in the papers a couple of weeks, then another story will take over. Same as Schofield etc.

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7 hours ago, Youth in Asia said:

I love how the newspapers are now creating whole articles just by writing out passages from one of his books.

Talk about lazy journalism.

Even the ex-girlfriend that said he raped her on one occasion does not seem to be considering reporting it to the police, and the other complaints seem to be more about his emotional manipulation of people. Which is shitty behaviour but not illegal.

So apart from cancelling him from the mainstream in which he no longer operates, I'm not sure what else there is left.

He'll stay in the papers a couple of weeks, then another story will take over. Same as Schofield etc.

This is probably the best take on here so far. Someone who has taken a step back and looked at the bigger picture rather than just grabbing a pitchfork. 
 

For the one allegation concerning rape, people should be more disgusted at The Times and Channel 4 for prioritising their viewership over a potential victim. They have a duty to at the very least encourage her to go to the police. And yes, most of it just mudflinging with the other participants. Am I the slightest bit surprised that Russell Brand, a renowned crank and former addict of hard drugs, was a cunt to women? No. But beyond that, if you are true to your conviction, if you have evidence of their criminality, then go to the police and have your day in court, rather than the media. 
 

This has all the hallmarks of yet another set up for me. These ppl know we live in a hysterical age of trial by media / Twitter. It’s Huw Edwards/Philip Schofield all over again.

 

[Youth in Asia 1,085]

I would say his biggest concern should be his wife. He certainly behaved like a dick before he got married, and she was aware of it. I'm just having trouble with the idea that he has been all sweetness and light since that time. If he has been secretly spraying it around in the last few years, which I suspect he has because you can't just go from glut to famine overnight, then it could all fall apart for him. Having 2 daughters who can read the articles is also not good. In any case his Faustian bargain is now up for repayment and I wouldn't like to be in his shoes. 

[maryportfuncity 10,630]

We know from worse cases (i.e. industrial scale stuff over a long time - I'm not saying any individual sexual assault is worse than any other) that women feel confused and frightened and the American woman claiming rape from Brand did go to a crisis centre, before deciding not to press charges and all that happened long before Dispatches filmed her. Epstein and Weinstein set up predatory patterns that lased for years and had coercive elements that left many women confused about how far they were responsible for the things that happened to them. Brand clearly has that capacity, the quote about developing strategies from My Book Wook being a good insight. Really hard to see how this'll end and I wouldn't rule out a pile on involving the police, particularly if one potential victim reports him and makes it clear she has done so. 

 

That said, we're dead poolers, he's a monster ego and I'm not thinking he's that much closer to self-destruction now than he was a fortnight ago. So lively chat, and few DDP listings for him next year is my best guess.

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On 17/09/2023 at 18:19, maryportfuncity said:

So, this is looking bad for him. Discourses on Channel 4 and The Sunday Times have lined up a fair tonnage of detail. Good chance from here there'll be charges. One ironicly funny twist unlikely to feature in Brand's act is that we know loads about his sexual and chemical adventures largely becuse he - personally - has reported on them many times. I'm thinking any of these women who has a good lawyer talking to them is already being made aware that there's a legal option here you don't normally get. Crudely, a good prosecuting barrister could rip into Brand by pointing out his own confessions of drug use (i.e. how often he was off his tits and the stuff he used) might call into question his reliability as a witness in his own defence. Given that the main witness in his own - it was consensual - defence is Brand, that's potentially a really powerful weapon. 

Yo that's a pretty archaic attitude toward recreational drug use, imo - and I say that as both a solicitor and someone with a lot of experiences with the same substances enjoyed by RB. However, I'm not in the UK and not well versed in British law. Over there would it really be the "gotcha" moment for the prosecution as you say? If so, yikes! 

 

[One of the big jurisprudential issues with this being the case, is that it can easily be warped & the corollary applied re: victims of crime who are impacted by drugs at the time] 

 

Just my 2cb  [the spurious b was a typo, but thought it quite fitting so it stays!]

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1 hour ago, maryportfuncity said:

We know from worse cases (i.e. industrial scale stuff over a long time - I'm not saying any individual sexual assault is worse than any other) that women feel confused and frightened and the American woman claiming rape from Brand did go to a crisis centre, before deciding not to press charges and all that happened long before Dispatches filmed her. Epstein and Weinstein set up predatory patterns that lased for years and had coercive elements that left many women confused about how far they were responsible for the things that happened to them.

It's completely different from Epstein and Weinstein. Epstein was effectively running a huge paedo ring for international VIPs. Weinstein was raping people repeatedly. Both were clearly destined for jail. With Brand he was running around like a young puppy on heat for about a decade, probably siring 1000+ ladies, many of them basically groupies, while having a hyperactive and extreme personality, wowing them with his elaborate wordplay and fame. I don't see anything that would get him jail time in a court of law, although maybe someone will try to go down that route.

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If there is such a thing as karma, whatever he did to these women may happen to his daughters.

 

And if all his defenders think that's all right for Brand, it's ok to happen to his daughters. Isn't it?

 

Anyway, I saw someone post up "Oh Fucky Wuck" on the internet, that I think is an excellent non-biased subtitle, if I say so myself. 

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34 minutes ago, Youth in Asia said:

It's completely different from Epstein and Weinstein. Epstein was effectively running a huge paedo ring for international VIPs. Weinstein was raping people repeatedly. Both were clearly destined for jail. With Brand he was running around like a young puppy on heat for about a decade, probably siring 1000+ ladies, many of them basically groupies, while having a hyperactive and extreme personality, wowing them with his elaborate wordplay and fame. I don't see anything that would get him jail time in a court of law, although maybe someone will try to go down that route.

 

 

The woman from LA in Dispatches claims rape, has an evidence trail of going to a rape support centre and reporting it and has forensic evidence and evidence from the time including Brand saying sorry. Enough, potentially for  successful prosecution. I'm not saying he was as bad as Weinstein and Epstien, simply that impact on an individual victim is important here as far as courts are concerned this could easily end up in court on either side of the Atlantic. 

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46 minutes ago, Youth in Asia said:

Epstein was effectively running a huge paedo ring for international VIPs.

 

Did this actually involve pre-pubescent children?  I thought it was young girls, teenagers, who might be legally under the age of consent (in some jurisdictions).

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1 hour ago, Toast said:

 

Did this actually involve pre-pubescent children?  I thought it was young girls, teenagers, who might be legally under the age of consent (in some jurisdictions).

True, I think they were 17+, not that I followed that case very closely. Paedo gets thrown around a lot, especially in the media. Should be reserved for people like Gary Glitter who I think was after 11 and 12 year olds.