Who Should Be On The Deathlist 2025?

[msc 18,671]

My last shot at the DL25 if I were in charge. (I'm not, the good Cmme are, and may have had their drinking session by this point.)

 

KEEP

1.      Jimmy Carter

2.      Dick Van Dyke

3.      Pete Murray

4.      Francis

5.      Cleo Laine

6.      Sandy Gall

7.      Noam Chomsky

8.      Mel Brooks

9.      Dennis Skinner

10.  Nigel Starmer Smith

11.  Stanley Baxter

12.  Patricia Routledge

13.  Clint Eastwood

14.  Gene Hackman

15.  Jean Marie le Pen

16.  Denis Law

17.  Tom Brokaw

18.  Linda Nolan

19.  Norman Tebbit

20.  Willie Nelson

21.  Esther Rantzen

22.  Roberta Flack

23.  Prunella Scales (I just think she wont last long without Timothy)

24.  Buzz Aldrin

25.  Sonny Rollins

 

DROP

1.      Alan Greenspan (old and very boring)

2.      Robert Wagner

3.      Joanne Woodward (after 5 years of stasis, worth the risk)

4.      James Whale (tbh he could die on January 1st and I'd still prefer others had the spot now)

5.      Vanessa Redgrave

6.      Desmond Morris

7.      Hans Blix

8.      Julie Walters

9.      Louis Farrakhan

10.  Daniel Barenboim

11.  Dick Cheney

12.  Robert Duvall

13.  Josef Fritzl

14.  Brigitte Bardot

15.  Raul Castro

16.  Imelda Marcos

17.  Ted Turner

18.  Tom Baker (alas)

19.  Sly Stone (alas)

20.  Joe Bugner

 

RETURNEES

1.      Yoko Ono

2.      Douglas Hurd

3.      David Attenborough

4.      Liza Minelli

5.      Mike Ditka (sick enough for my to sub my annual "bring back Ozzy" call.)

 

NEW

1.      Sophie Kinsella (mega-sick and mega-famous, get her on the list)

2.      Patrick Murray (cancer ridden sitcom star, self-explanatory)

3.      Peter Yarrow

4.      David Irving

5.      Ian Smith

6.      Jose Mujica

7.      Joan Plowright (Maggie Smith said she was in frail health. She's outlived Maggie)

8.      Frankie Valli

9.      Julie Goodyear

10.  David Lynch/Eddie Jordan/Michael Bolton (one of these 50/50 names. I think I'd go Lynch over the other 2 at this point)

11.  Eva Marie Saint

12.  Charles III

13.  Geoff Boycott (gut feeling about this one)

14.  Jean Marsh (old, famous and frail)

15.  Michael York (been ill for ages, and you could put him next to Liza)

16.  Michael Heseltine (maybe not this year but I don't think Tarzan will be around that much longer)

17.  Michael Caine (increasingly frail, very A list)

18.  Duchess of Kent 

19.  Rupert Murdoch

20.  William Shatner (recently survived cancer, 94 next year, time for a debut)

 

Couldn;t find room for Tom Lehrer.

[Bobytomi 154]

35 minutes ago, msc said:

DROP

1.      Alan Greenspan (old and very boring)

That is not a reason for Drop, perhaps it will be boring for you, unless you have additional information that he is still in good health, things would change, but at the moment it is not known.

 

Regarding the new additions, I agree, although I would also consider Steve McMichael, Sidney Cooke, Mahathir Mohamad, Tippi Hedren, Empress Michiko, Tomiichi Murayama and György Kurtág.

[Sean 6,563]

Greenspan being dropped is a bad move imo.The guy is nearly 99 and not been in the public eye for ages.Would be more logical to drop Dick Van Dyke or Pete Murray which I wouldn't recommend either.

 

There are so many good names you can bring in as newbies for 2025.

[Lafaucheuse 4,197]

1 hour ago, msc said:

 

My last shot at the DL25 if I were in charge. (I'm not, the good Cmme are, and may have had their drinking session by this point.)

 

Dropping Woodward and Marcos seems like a real bad decision. Even Mel Brooks and Eastwood look like safer drops

[msc 18,671]

1 hour ago, Sean said:

Greenspan being dropped is a bad move imo.The guy is nearly 99 and not been in the public eye for ages.Would be more logical to drop Dick Van Dyke or Pete Murray which I wouldn't recommend either.

 

There are so many good names you can bring in as newbies for 2025.

Thing is, there needs to be twenty drops so some will be risky ones. They risked Leslie Philips a year or so before he died and of the names below the must keeps he and Woodward are the two I'd most risk seeing 2026. In a normal DL year this wouldn't be an issue, but we've got the bedblockers and the genuinely ill at loggerheads due to this being such a quiet year. 

 

In reality we both know the Cmme are keeping Greenspan till he snuffs it.

[Sly Ronnie 949]

Who were dropped for this year and have subsequently passed away?

[Death Impends 8,181]

9 minutes ago, Sly Ronnie said:

Who were dropped for this year and have subsequently passed away?

 

None. I think the only past DL pick to die off the list this year was 2021 selection Shannen Doherty.

[Drewsky1211 4,885]

Just now, Death Impends said:

 

None. I think the only past DL pick to die off the list this year was 2021 selection Shannen Doherty.

Also Tim Johnson (2007).

[Zsa Zsa's leg 917]

May I ask why Liza Minnelli seems to be a popular choice this year? Am I missing something? I understand she looked frail at the 2022 (I think) Oscar's but I am not aware of any major updates since then. 

[Lafaucheuse 4,197]

4 minutes ago, Zsa Zsa's leg said:

May I ask why Liza Minnelli seems to be a popular choice this year? Am I missing something? I understand she looked frail at the 2022 (I think) Oscar's but I am not aware of any major updates since then. 

she looks absolutely awful for years, shaking a lot, has canceled several engagements and overall I suspect there is an underlying condition that we're not aware of (parkinson ?) 

[Gooseberry Crumble 5,450]

9 minutes ago, Lafaucheuse said:

she looks absolutely awful for years, shaking a lot, has canceled several engagements and overall I suspect there is an underlying condition that we're not aware of (parkinson ?) 

All true and good points  but she does have an autobiography scheduled to be released for her 80th birthday in March 2026- so perhaps she herself feels confident she will be around for that?

[tracy 2,517]

23 minutes ago, Zsa Zsa's leg said:

May I ask why Liza Minnelli seems to be a popular choice this year? Am I missing something? I understand she looked frail at the 2022 (I think) Oscar's but I am not aware of any major updates since then. 

 

You can see her talking in October here. Frail, but IMO, she looks and sounds better there than she did at the Oscars almost three years ago. I would be fairly surprised if she died next year.

[Joey Russ 7,306]

1 hour ago, Drewsky1211 said:

Also Tim Johnson (2007).

Yeah nobody is sad that he was a Deathlist miss, him being on was a complete fluke to begin with. 

[Lafaucheuse 4,197]

53 minutes ago, tracy said:

 

You can see her talking in October here. Frail, but IMO, she looks and sounds better there than she did at the Oscars almost three years ago. I would be fairly surprised if she died next year.

looks awful to me, short of breath, can't stop shaking, doesn't articulate, I'm sure there is something off with her. I’d be amazed if she makes it to 80 honestly. The autobiography could have already been written or be finished by someone else + she may feel confident about making it to 2026, but drop dead all of a sudden, that doesn’t mean a lot…

[tracy 2,517]

33 minutes ago, Lafaucheuse said:

looks awful to me, short of breath, can't stop shaking, doesn't articulate, I'm sure there is something off with her. Would be amazed if she makes it to 80 honestly

Eh. I disagree. Her overall decline has been pretty slow for someone whose DL thread from 2012 starts with "appears weak and frail in wheelchair". She strikes me as a grade-A coffin tease.

 

At the Oscars three years ago, she couldn't even say "ten best nominees" without losing her train of thought. By comparison, she's fairly coherent here and her voice still isn't especially thin. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with her beyond the fact that she's old and beat up her body with alcohol and drugs for decades. Which, yeah, means I don't think she'll live another decade+, but given that she's still lucid and plans to release a book (and read it on tape) over a year from now, I think that probably rules out the idea she's suffering from some major unrelated illness.

[arghton 7,043]

2 hours ago, Zsa Zsa's leg said:

May I ask why Liza Minnelli seems to be a popular choice this year? Am I missing something? I understand she looked frail at the 2022 (I think) Oscar's but I am not aware of any major updates since then. 

To be honest, I included Minnelli there because I thought she had a Elizabeth Taylor-esque health history. Turns out she doesn't, and she's still a year younger than Taylor was when she died. Minnelli's sister had a few similar illnesses as Liz T earlier though, I might've mixed the two up.

[Zsa Zsa's leg 917]

2 minutes ago, arghton said:

To be honest, I included Minnelli there because I thought she had a Elizabeth Taylor-esque health history. Turns out she doesn't, and she's still a year younger than Taylor was when she died. 

I had her on my 2023 list. She looked awful at that year's Oscars so I can't blame people who have her on their list. I was just wondering if I missed a major health update with her! I agree she's probably not living another 5 years

[The Daredevil 1,222]

Richard Wilson is one not to overlook for the DL 2025. Astounding to think filming for "One Foot in the Grave" started in the 1980s, and that he is still alive. He has also suffered a stroke, heart attack, bad fall etc. over the years. Has also been very quiet of late.

 

Edit: Have just swapped Minnelli with Wilson on my 2025 shadowlist.

[Ulitzer95 13,058]

3 hours ago, The Daredevil said:

Edit: Have just swapped Minnelli with Wilson on my 2025 shadowlist.

That isn’t wise.

[msc 18,671]

4 hours ago, The Daredevil said:

Richard Wilson is one not to overlook for the DL 2025. Astounding to think filming for "One Foot in the Grave" started in the 1980s, and that he is still alive. He has also suffered a stroke, heart attack, bad fall etc. over the years. Has also been very quiet of late.

 

Edit: Have just swapped Minnelli with Wilson on my 2025 shadowlist.

I don't believe it!!!

[The Old Crem 3,704]

Liza Minnelli looks like she could expire anytime she gets a cold etc. 

[Sean 6,563]

55 names I think the committee should consider to make their debut:

 

1)Peter Yarrow ( A nailed on hit if he makes it.Very famous and in hospice with terminal cancer.Bedbound)

2)Eva Marie Saint (Hollywood A Lister and 101 in July)

3)Antonia Fraser (Famius enough for the list 92 and history of serious ill health)

4)Tippi Hedren (A Lister 95 in January and has advanced dementia)

5)Bruce Willis (Uber famous and has dementia.Has been ailing for years now)

6)Ray Anthony (103 in January.Looked frail at his 100th)

7)Gene Shalit (Big US name 99 in March has been out of the public eye for years)

8)David Bailey (Vascular dementia for several years .87 on 2nd January.Has not been seen in public for a while)

9)Mike Peters (History of leaukemia on and off since 1996.Awaiting stem cell transplant.Has Richter's syndrome now which has a poor prognosis.A gamble but could be a bet worth taking)

10)Patrick Murray Stage 4 lung cancer and COPD.Not a good combination)

11)Johnnie Walker (Terminal pulmonary fibrosis recently retired.Previous cancer)

12)Sophie Kinsella (Big name with glioblastoma since 2022)

13)Don King (94 next year and reportedly very frail)

14)Ian Smith (Terminal lung cancer)

15)David Irving (Allegedly in hospice this year.Not seen in public anymore)

16)Mahatahir Mohamad (100 in July multiple hospitalisations)

17)Roy Clarke (95 in January)

18)Mitch McConnell (83 in February several falls in 5 years.Discoloured hands severe cardiac history triple bypass in February 2003 and zoning out in public twice in 2023)

19)Eddie Jordan ( Prostate and bladder cancer that has spread to bones including spine looks like he has lost weight)

20)Michael York (83 next year amyloidosis for many years.Not active in public)

21)David Milch (Alzheimers since 2015 in a dementia home)

22)Harvey Weinstein(Severe heart problems mobility issues and acute leukaemia)

23)Michael Tilson Thomas (Glioblsstoma since 2021)

24)Victoria Jackson ( Recurrent breast cancer.Tumour near windpipe sounds grim.Terminal)

25)Jack Hanna ( Dementia since 2019 in advanced stages)

26)Billy Connolly (Long history of parkinsons since 2013.Previous prostate cancer in 2013.Massive name)

27)Frankie Valli (91 in May looks dead on stage regularly)

28)David Lynch (Emphysema since 2020.Reliant on oxygen)

29)William Daniels (98 in March)

30)James D Watson ( 97 in April has looked frail for years)

31)Michael J Fox ( Parkinsons since 1991.Visibly frailer.Has had serious falls)

32) Ken Livingstone ( Alzheimers  announced in 2023 not seen in public anymore)

33)King Charles III (Cancer for nearly a year treatment ongoing.No idea where it is.Biggest name out there)

34)Phil Collins(Ailing and frail unable to perform)

35) Geoffrey Boycott(Recurrent throat cancer.Spent time in ICU.Serious heart problems as well)

36)Jose Mujica (Throat cancer awaiting more surgery.Kidney issues and immune_compromised)

37)Teddie Beverley (98 in May)

38)Leontyne Price (98 in February)

39)Estelle Parsons (98 next November)

40)Len Deighton ( 96 in February)

41)Clive Revill (95 in April)

42)Rupert Murdoch (94 in March)

43)Michael Caine (92 in March retired recently)

44)Randy Moss (Bile duct cancer.Had 2 surgeries and undergoing chemo and radiotherapy.Looks frail)

45)Michael Heseltine (92 in March serious heart history from the 1990s 

46)Katherine Jackson (Very frail 95 in May)

47)Des Lynam(Rumoured dementia which was denied.Very quiet of late)

48)Trisha Goddard (Big UK name.Terminal cancer)

49)Chris Hoy (Terminal cancer possibly too soon but would be a big name to miss)

50)Joe Biden (Rumoured dementia clear signs of cognitive decline.Two brain aneurysms in the 1980s)

51)Julie Goodyear (Dementia looks very frail in wheelchair.Chain smoker.Previous cervical cancer in 1979)

52)Jane Rossington (Dementia since 2016 said to be in mid stages since 2022)

53)Edie McClurg (Severe alzheimers has people trying to swindle her out of money)

54)Patricia Greene (94 next year rumoured to be in a care home with failing hearing and eyesight.Sounds very frail on the radio)

55)Luke Halpin(Dementia for nearly a decade.Had stage 4 head and neck cancer in 2015 which went into remission)

 

 

[Sean 6,563]

A few glaring omissions from my list.

Priscilla Pointer and June Lockhart (Extreme old age)Bernie Ecclestone who is 94 and has cardiac issues and John Williams who is nearly 93 and has an unspecified health issue.

[Charles De Gaulle 505]

Gonna throw a name in there as well.

 

Dustin Hoffman. Quietly retired from acting this year. Missed all press releases and interviews regarding the movie he starred in recently. Looked and sounded like shit in that movie.

[SovietJohnny 108]

On 25/11/2024 at 18:02, Joey Russ said:

Well this year has been a disaster huh?

You know the drill, nominate your favorite Pokemon from Nebraska that the committee will promptly ignore. 
 

I think Rex Williams would be a good boomerang pick, was picked back in 1990, and he’s getting up there in age. Last time we had a big boomerang pick it was successful with George Cole, I’m just saying

Peter Falk must surely go on the list