Madame Defarge 21 Posted December 14, 2010 There are cases where there is no "reasonable doubt" - Myra Hyndley, Ian Brady, Peter Sutcliffe, Ian Huntley etc etc. Three of those, Sutcliffe, Huntley and Brady are locked up in institutions for the criminally insane etc, etc. Point of order. I'm pretty sure that Ian Huntley is still in a mainstream prison and has never spent time in a psychiatric institution. Also, don't forget that Ian Brady was fit to plea at his trial and didn't enter psychiatric care until he'd been behind bars for nearly twenty years. Aye, right DDT, Huntley was in Rampton before he was judged fit to stand trial and since sentencing has served his time in jail ( with the odd spell in hospital). That seemed a reasonable decision to me. I suppose I was trying to make the point, though probably not very well, that it is very hard to determine the extent to which people are bonkers or not. The bonkers defence saved Rudolph Hess from the rope and I still don't think anyone really knows just how deranged he was. I don't believe in the biblical eye for an eye but the question I was raising is whether the death penalty is right for someone who is "not all there". But a kind of reverse Catch 22 argument is that you have to be wrong in the head to murder someone. There are also degrees of bonkersness in the judicial system. One does not need to be totally off one's rocker to pursue a claim for diminished responsibility. Another argument against the death penalty is the question of whether it is good for society as a whole. Evidence has been presented in the past recording rises in violent crime around the time of executions. It also seems pretty clear that many murderers are products of deprived or violent families and sometimes the origins of this violence were what we might call "state sponsored". Mira Hindley's father was an ex-para in the Second World War when his propensity for violence against the enemy would have been regarded as commendable. But when he applied this violence to the upbringing of his daughter it created a woman not only anaesthetised to suffering but probably also taking pleasure from exercising power and seeing others suffer. Meeting brutality with brutality is not the way to create a civilised society. Recently there was an horrific case where a mother decided her child would be better off dead than alive without her, and forced her autistic 12 year old son to drink bleach. I read a lot of comments in the press excusing the mother because she was unstable, and because of the difficulties in raising a non-verbal child. One can only imagine how the boy must have suffered before he died. Whether it was madness, despair, or any combination of both on the mother's part, I have to admit that this is where the eye-for-an eye stuff starts sounding good to me. However I am opposed to the death penalty for all of the reasons Godot and the others mentioned and also because her death would not bring the child back. It was fundamentally wrong for this woman to play god with her child's life, and in my opinion it would be just as wrong for the state to take this same responsibility regarding the mother's life upon itself, for whatever reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted December 14, 2010 There was a letter in the local paper (P+J) today written by a Doctor of some sort. He was advocating bringing back both capital and corporal punishment as a means of justice for criminal offences. His letter was prompted by a recent story where a man had been sent to prison for brutally beating his girlfriend's baby son to death. The Doctor refused to accept that the state, and he as a taxpayer, should support the life of this 'monster' whilst in prison. Thus executing the murderer was the best value to society all round. I don't know what he thought his letter would achieve, but by the end of it my thoughts were less focussed on the evil baby beater, and more focussed on the fact that the writer was a bit of a nutjob. I predict that tomorrow someone will take an over the top view opposing what the Doctor wrote - and I'll probably disagree with that nutjob too... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Andrew Chadwick Posted March 7, 2013 Damn ... I should've included the answer "No, except for Gary Glitter" At least Gary Glitter was shagging girls and not boys... Weren't they prostitutes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadEgg 38 Posted March 7, 2013 I cannot vote until the method of execution is revealed,If its hanging I'll vote "yes" cos I want to be the official executioner like Albert Pierrepoint as I want a career change,also if it did comeback SKY could televise it and make money by "pay-per-view" the monies made could be handed over to the victims families Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lard Bazaar 3,799 Posted March 7, 2013 Damn ... I should've included the answer "No, except for Gary Glitter" At least Gary Glitter was shagging girls and not boys... Weren't they prostitutes? Are you for fucking real? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted March 8, 2013 Lol at glitter gag... Regards to op, hell yeah. Problem comes when we argue over what constitutes a capital crime. Eg Peado = life, no parole. Tory = death. And their kids. And their neighbours for harbouding them Zero public hangings in Scotland ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted March 10, 2013 I cannot vote until the method of execution is revealed,If its hanging I'll vote "yes" cos I want to be the official executioner like Albert Pierrepoint as I want a career change,also if it did comeback SKY could televise it and make money by "pay-per-view" the monies made could be handed over to the victims families Now your talking my language . I voted yes for killers , torture killers , child killers , the rock band the killers and peadophiles . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EGN 121 Posted March 10, 2013 There are some crimes (noncing, for example) where an individual will either a ) always be a threat or b ) if genuinely reformed, should be unable to live with themselves. For these crimes we should save ourselves some money and them some anguish and euthanise them. Of course, such euthanasia would have to be DL exempt... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ed Posted April 2, 2013 Why is this discussion attached to the hyperlink to Nelson Mandela's entry? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted April 3, 2013 Anyone who has saw the movie the secret in her eyes deals with this subject well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted November 20, 2013 Last night the white supremacist who shot the American porn baron Larry Flynt, leaving him paralyzed, was executed via lethal injection in Missouri. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/20/246297720/white-supremacist-murderer-who-shot-larry-flynt-is-executed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Zorders 1,271 Posted May 17, 2014 http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2014/05/utah-rep-paul-ray-supports-firing-squads Utah State Representative wants to bring back firing squad executions! I think this is partially in response to that thing where there was "outrage" a couple of weeks back, because a lethal injection went wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted April 26, 2015 The Indonesians prepare to execute members of the Bali 9 drug smuggling group by firing squad. http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-last-wishes-bali-nine-men-brace-for-execution-on-tuesday-20150426-1mtr7q.html Horrid way to go, though possibly as horrid as the potential deaths of addicts. I really don't know where I stand on this. But I know where they stand. In front of barrels of weapons. Over there. In front of the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,970 Posted April 27, 2015 I voted no... For some of the people who might deserve the death penalty, it would be an easy way out. I think it's a harsher punishment to spend the rest of life in prison, the natural life span, that is. Also, it always leaves open the paths of redemption, regret, or maybe even an opportunity for new evidence to overturn a verdict. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,533 Posted April 27, 2015 I voted no... For some of the people who might deserve the death penalty, it would be an easy way out. I think it's a harsher punishment to spend the rest of life in prison, the natural life span, that is. Also, it always leaves open the paths of redemption, regret, or maybe even an opportunity for new evidence to overturn a verdict. or hopefully give the family(ies) of the person(s) they murdered details of where their body is, so they can get closure, in the case of Brady & Hindley. The reason why I'm against the death penalty is mostly because of high profile cases with Derek Bentley and Timothy Evans, where the wrong person was sent to the gallows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted April 28, 2015 The Indonesians prepare to execute members of the Bali 9 drug smuggling group by firing squad. http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-last-wishes-bali-nine-men-brace-for-execution-on-tuesday-20150426-1mtr7q.html Horrid way to go, though possibly as horrid as the potential deaths of addicts. I really don't know where I stand on this. But I know where they stand. In front of barrels of weapons. Over there. In front of the world. 6pm GMT - Guardian has a special for ghouls who want to follow the last hour or so. http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/apr/28/bali-nine-andrew-chan-myuran-sukumaran-executed-indonesia-mercy#block-553f95dae4b04b265de53259 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevonDeathTrip 2,358 Posted April 28, 2015 I wonder if there is a radio in the waiting room? A bit of Johnny Cash at 5.35pm might cheer them all up https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qCVxQcsdpWI 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted April 28, 2015 This thread must be for outing yanks and jihadists imo... Bali...scared of death penalty? Don't go there on holiday. And certainly don't hoof drugs in. Same as USA. As my passport is up for renewal in august, and I have never used it (needed for mortgage at the time) , I doubt it will trouble me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Craig A. Myers Posted April 28, 2015 If you (the state) don't execute the perp then you are saying that the victim didn't matter, or got what he deserved. A person's life is so valuable that the wanton taking of it by a perp requires payment in-kind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted April 29, 2015 A person's life is so valuable that the wanton taking of it by a perp requires payment in-kind. The logic of that sentence escapes me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest awesome guest Posted April 29, 2015 What I can't understand is why it takes so long for someone who is on death row to be put on the electric chair. People wait 30+ years to be killed why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GossipGabe 333 Posted April 30, 2015 What I can't understand is why it takes so long for someone who is on death row to be put on the electric chair. People wait 30+ years to be killed why?Well this is true for the US and Japan, because even if these counties do apply the death penalty, they wanna make it 99.9% sure that no innocent people are getting executed. In order to do this, there are a zillion appeals processes, reviews and hearings so that there could be no reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty and culpable (ie. not insane). I guess there are countries where this process is a little bit shorter, like we could see in Romania in 1989 where the local rulers (Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu) were tried, convicted and executed in 3 days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted April 30, 2015 What I can't understand is why it takes so long for someone who is on death row to be put on the electric chair. People wait 30+ years to be killed why?Well this is true for the US and Japan, because even if these counties do apply the death penalty, they wanna make it 99.9% sure that no innocent people are getting executed. In order to do this, there are a zillion appeals processes, reviews and hearings so that there could be no reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty and culpable (ie. not insane).I guess there are countries where this process is a little bit shorter, like we could see in Romania in 1989 where the local rulers (Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu) were tried, convicted and executed in 3 days. Yep. Drone strikes is a nice way to pass down a legal death sentence on people even in the vicinity of a cunt with a towel over his arm , or God forbid, his head. Nevermind the state sanctioned shoot on sight murder of Bin Laden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadGuy 1,614 Posted May 1, 2015 I voted "no", but you won't see me wearing "Abolish Death Penalty" shirts. I don't care that much about this issue. Especially since I'm only a teenager, who would take a protesting teen seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest awesome guest Posted May 1, 2015 I voted "no", but you won't see me wearing "Abolish Death Penalty" shirts. I don't care that much about this issue. Especially since I'm only a teenager, who would take a protesting teen seriously? sadly sjws are taken serously 😭 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
