Life In Prison

[MortalCaso 1,671]

59 minutes ago, lilham said:

I think the Tree of Life guy due to wanting to connect to Pittsburgh.

 

I agree with Biden commuting the 37 sentences and keeping these 3. Death penalty makes the most sense for clearly guilty terrorists.

Have you read up on all 37 that he spared execution?

 

Most, if not all, shouldn't have been.

[lilham 787]

13 minutes ago, MortalCaso said:

Have you read up on all 37 that he spared execution?

 

Most, if not all, shouldn't have been.

No.

My take is that most death penalty cases never make it to execution: they die in prison, they effectively have life in prison anyway. However, the families are stuck in the appeals process re-living the horrors again and again in the court room for decades. Cases should be narrowed down to terrorism and serial killers and then fast-tracked through the process, like Timothy McVeigh.

If the other men fall into that narrow category, then their sentences should not have been commuted.

[Joey Russ 7,338]

It’s not like these people are ever gonna be free, their sentences have merely been changed to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole which is still a hefty sentence if you ask me. It’s not like Biden pardoned any of these folk which I feel like some people are interpreting this as

[MortalCaso 1,671]

12 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

It’s not like these people are ever gonna be free, their sentences have merely been changed to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole which is still a hefty sentence if you ask me. It’s not like Biden pardoned any of these folk which I feel like some people are interpreting this as

They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it.

[arrowsmith 493]

1 minute ago, MortalCaso said:

They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it.

That’s nonsense. We have executed at least 200 innocent people since the death penalty was reinstated. I can’t fathom how anyone would endorse the death penalty for more crimes when we can’t manage to do it properly already. 

[MortalCaso 1,671]

2 minutes ago, arrowsmith said:

That’s nonsense. We have executed at least 200 innocent people since the death penalty was reinstated. I can’t fathom how anyone would endorse the death penalty for more crimes when we can’t manage to do it properly already. 

Never said it shouldn't be changed or reformed.

 

People make choices in life. As someone who has lost family members to violent crime and watched those people go free in my lifetime, it's wrong. There are far too many evil people allowed to live decades in comfort. 

 

Jail isn't "living in comfort" you say? I've heard/seen unhoused say it's better than the streets. Certainly better than being in the ground. I'm all for reforming the death penalty. No denying it's misuse and misfortune over the centuries. 

 

As I said earlier: reform it, expand it, and enforce it. That is not what President Biden did today.

[lilham 787]

46 minutes ago, MortalCaso said:

They were given death for a reason. I'm of the opinion we should expand what punishments deserve it, not shrink it.

Death penalty just has the right for more appeals: it's hard for me to argue against the appeals if we expand who is sentenced to death. So they waste more tax payer money, clog up the courts, and we have to hear more from them rather than if we had just put them on life without parole.

 

One of the men who Trump executed was roping naive people into defending him, including a daughter who was set to graduate college, who was just a newborn when he committed his murders. I feel like he would have had less power to do that if he had life in prison instead of a death sentence. I think he would have gotten less media coverage, like I probably would have never heard of him had he just had life in prison. This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bernard

However, the terrorists have a mental objective and press coverage above the average murderer to keep waging their mental warfare: hearing Tsarnaev cry all the time how Boston is mean to him seems intentionally aggravating; Kaczynski was aggravating; so whatever to speed up the process to have them gone is better.

[The Old Crem 3,817]

9 hours ago, lilham said:

Death penalty just has the right for more appeals: it's hard for me to argue against the appeals if we expand who is sentenced to death. So they waste more tax payer money, clog up the courts, and we have to hear more from them rather than if we had just put them on life without parole.

 

One of the men who Trump executed was roping naive people into defending him, including a daughter who was set to graduate college, who was just a newborn when he committed his murders. I feel like he would have had less power to do that if he had life in prison instead of a death sentence. I think he would have gotten less media coverage, like I probably would have never heard of him had he just had life in prison. This guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Bernard

However, the terrorists have a mental objective and press coverage above the average murderer to keep waging their mental warfare: hearing Tsarnaev cry all the time how Boston is mean to him seems intentionally aggravating; Kaczynski was aggravating; so whatever to speed up the process to have them gone is better.

Turmp could make it illegal to appeal. The Supreme Court will go for any he orders at the moment even things that outright breach the constitution 

[Gisooo 3,774]

Chisako Kakehi (Wiki), Japanese Black Widow who sentenced to death for the murders of three elderly men (her husband and her two lovers) using cyanide compound, dead at 78

 

[Bentrovato 1,154]

2 hours ago, Gisooo said:

Chisako Kakehi (Wiki), Japanese Black Widow who sentenced to death for the murders of three elderly men (her husband and her two lovers) using cyanide compound, dead at 78

 

A good old fashioned female serial killer. RIP.

[gcreptile 11,422]

On 21/01/2024 at 17:08, gcreptile said:

Ian Bailey, chief suspect of the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier, has died of a heart attack at 64 of a heart attack:

https://www.thejournal.ie/ian-bailey-eoin-bailey-dead-6165701-Jan2024/

 

Somehow I know the name... deadpool pick somewhere maybe.

Now the father of murder victim Sophie Toscan du Plantier, Georges Bouniol has died:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/sophie-toscan-du-plantier-father-34397026

 

Maybe he was picked in a deadpool somewhere?

[Bentrovato 1,154]

Zimbabwe abolishes the death penalty

[maryportfuncity 10,807]

As discussed in the Deathrace thread just now, GB News practically cumming in their collective trousers as they get up to the minute coverage of Urfan Sharif's condition after he had his neck sliced open with a tuna can. They can stitch the wound, but can they contain the botulism? https://www.gbnews.com/news/sara-sharif-dad-urfan-sharif-sliced-neck-hmp-belmarsh-london

 

DDP pick for a few of us, I'm thinking

[Sean 6,619]

Probably the majority of the country are cheering.The man is a monster.

[gcreptile 11,422]

Joe Biden also commuted the sentence of Leonard Peltier, Native American activist/terrorist (you decide):

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/biden-commutes-sentence-leonard-peltier-native-american-activist-impri-rcna188331

 

He's supposedly in ill health, but his people have been saying this for decades. Still, last year there was another push for this release and he was on my team drafts for quite a while. So maybe he actually is sick.

[dimreaper 894]

4 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Joe Biden also commuted the sentence of Leonard Peltier, Native American activist/terrorist (you decide):

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/biden-commutes-sentence-leonard-peltier-native-american-activist-impri-rcna188331

 

He's supposedly in ill health, but his people have been saying this for decades. Still, last year there was another push for this release and he was on my team drafts for quite a while. So maybe he actually is sick.

 

He was hospitalized a few times in 2024. I believe he suffered a massive stroke at some point in the 90s.

[Gisooo 3,774]

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[tracy 2,617]

^ Fake. Poking around the site shows they published a large number of sham serial killer obituaries last September, which are all atrociously written and probably used AI (here's one for Gary Ridgway, for instance).

[The Old Crem 3,817]

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana required medical attention this morning - possible suicide attempt? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32965678/axel-rudakubana-sentencing-live-updates-southport-killer-murder/

[YoungWillz 21,738]

6 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana required medical attention this morning - possible suicide attempt? https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32965678/axel-rudakubana-sentencing-live-updates-southport-killer-murder/

[The Old Crem 3,817]

5 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Now claiming to be on hunger strike. Could even be worth a punt on the Cup if that continues. 

[drol 12,720]

2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Now claiming to be on hunger strike. Could even be worth a punt on the Cup if that continues. 

I wouldn't trust this fucking cunt even if he had permanently sewed his mouth.

[The Old Crem 3,817]

14 minutes ago, drol said:

I wouldn't trust this fucking cunt even if he had permanently sewed his mouth.

The lack of eating is probably accurate because his defence barrister said it. Considering their legal aid I can’t imagine they would bother to outright lie. 

[En Passant 3,832]

21 minutes ago, drol said:

I wouldn't trust this fucking cunt even if he had permanently sewed his mouth.

 

I generally tend to the view that most people are not innately evil and mostly do bad things, even murder, through circumstance and/or an uncontrolled temper often exacerbated by the loss of normal control through drink or drugs. That usually goes double when the perpetrator is a juvenile, so much of what they are depends on their circumstance and upbringing. Of course this brings no comfort to the victims or their relatives and it's not a popular view I know so I question myself about it constantly.

 

But this fucker? I cannot find a way to see how any situational circumstance could lead to what he did. Fuck him - he'll not live long in prison anyway, at least not unless he's on permanent rule 45 (segregation for own safety, used to be rule 43)

[The Old Crem 3,817]

8 minutes ago, En Passant said:

 

I generally tend to the view that most people are not innately evil and mostly do bad things, even murder, through circumstance and/or an uncontrolled temper often exacerbated by the loss of normal control through drink or drugs. That usually goes double when the perpetrator is a juvenile, so much of what they are depends on their circumstance and upbringing. Of course this brings no comfort to the victims or their relatives and it's not a popular view I know so I question myself about it constantly.

 

But this fucker? I cannot find a way to see how any situational circumstance could lead to what he did. Fuck him - he'll not live long in prison anyway, at least not unless he's on permanent rule 45 (segregation for own safety, used to be rule 43)

The way he is acting I think he might well end up in Ashworth, Rampton or Broadmoor at some point.