Political Discussions And Ranting Thread

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

 

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

 

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

 

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

 

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

 

Dramatic effect. Trump supporters are going to winge on about people getting upset when he abuses them because he said he was going to. It doesn't work like that. He can ahve the power but everyone doesn't have to like what he does with it.

 

So far he has ( tried to) denied entry into the US for citizens of several countries.

However some of those citizens already had US visas and/or were residents in the US anyway.

That alone makes Trump a massive fucktard.

The issue with denying access to the US for 'refugees' or people from other nations is separate to the idiocy of denying access to people trying to return to the US where they were already residing.

He is also trying to return the US back to the dark ages by denying the right to abortion and, well, he is doing other things of a questionable nature.

Im not sure who he is actually 'abusing' but he is deffo a cunt.

Thing is, we all get the message, he gets the message, the World gets the message.

Everybody has the right to protest but, over here, that's the green light for Left wing political activists, anarchists, the students and the middle class to take to the streets. It is rare indeed to see working class folk marching on Parliament to vent their spleen.

Trump wasn't created by the disenfranchised working classes...............

[Bibliogryphon 9,582]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

 

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

Dramatic effect. Trump supporters are going to winge on about people getting upset when he abuses them because he said he was going to. It doesn't work like that. He can ahve the power but everyone doesn't have to like what he does with it.

So far he has ( tried to) denied entry into the US for citizens of several countries.

However some of those citizens already had US visas and/or were residents in the US anyway.

That alone makes Trump a massive fucktard.

The issue with denying access to the US for 'refugees' or people from other nations is separate to the idiocy of denying access to people trying to return to the US where they were already residing.

He is also trying to return the US back to the dark ages by denying the right to abortion and, well, he is doing other things of a questionable nature.

Im not sure who he is actually 'abusing' but he is deffo a cunt.

Thing is, we all get the message, he gets the message, the World gets the message.

Everybody has the right to protest but, over here, that's the green light for Left wing political activists, anarchists, the students and the middle class to take to the streets. It is rare indeed to see working class folk marching on Parliament to vent their spleen.

Trump wasn't created by the disenfranchised working classes...............

No he wasn't but he used them as his route to power. Do we really think he cares about miners or car workers?

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

Dramatic effect. Trump supporters are going to winge on about people getting upset when he abuses them because he said he was going to. It doesn't work like that. He can ahve the power but everyone doesn't have to like what he does with it.

So far he has ( tried to) denied entry into the US for citizens of several countries.

However some of those citizens already had US visas and/or were residents in the US anyway.

That alone makes Trump a massive fucktard.

The issue with denying access to the US for 'refugees' or people from other nations is separate to the idiocy of denying access to people trying to return to the US where they were already residing.

He is also trying to return the US back to the dark ages by denying the right to abortion and, well, he is doing other things of a questionable nature.

Im not sure who he is actually 'abusing' but he is deffo a cunt.

Thing is, we all get the message, he gets the message, the World gets the message.

Everybody has the right to protest but, over here, that's the green light for Left wing political activists, anarchists, the students and the middle class to take to the streets. It is rare indeed to see working class folk marching on Parliament to vent their spleen.

Trump wasn't created by the disenfranchised working classes...............

No he wasn't but he used them as his route to power. Do we really think he cares about miners or car workers?

 

He has to.

As you say, it was his route to power and it will be his only way of staying in power.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not all hysterical horseshit then.....

http://news.sky.com/story/rage-of-trumps-uk-critics-astonishing-says-lord-carey-10757346

"...stressed the need for people to respect the choice of US voters."

 

Except it wasn't.

 

If people are going to make comments about the US presidential election they need a crash course in the electoral college. This is a pretty good history of it.

Fair point.

I think the general thrust of the article was that there was an absolute hysteria surrounding his Presidency and, from this end of the Atlantic, its all the more strange considering who we have had here on State visits and there were no mass protests or summat.

I don't like him at all but taking to the streets here with 'proper' placards, neatly organized by Momentum, the Anti Nazi league and the Socialist workers party wont do fuck all.

Just my opinion.

There was a massive protest againt Reagan in '84 and he won by a landslide. It's all part of free speech. You can't expect the 49% to roll over if the 51% vote to exterminate them.

That's a bit dramatic.

I was talking about the Tofu eaters of Islington going down to Westminster to register their false horror at Trumps election.

Dramatic effect. Trump supporters are going to winge on about people getting upset when he abuses them because he said he was going to. It doesn't work like that. He can ahve the power but everyone doesn't have to like what he does with it.

So far he has ( tried to) denied entry into the US for citizens of several countries.

However some of those citizens already had US visas and/or were residents in the US anyway.

That alone makes Trump a massive fucktard.

The issue with denying access to the US for 'refugees' or people from other nations is separate to the idiocy of denying access to people trying to return to the US where they were already residing.

He is also trying to return the US back to the dark ages by denying the right to abortion and, well, he is doing other things of a questionable nature.

Im not sure who he is actually 'abusing' but he is deffo a cunt.

Thing is, we all get the message, he gets the message, the World gets the message.

Everybody has the right to protest but, over here, that's the green light for Left wing political activists, anarchists, the students and the middle class to take to the streets. It is rare indeed to see working class folk marching on Parliament to vent their spleen.

Trump wasn't created by the disenfranchised working classes...............

No he wasn't but he used them as his route to power. Do we really think he cares about miners or car workers?

 

He has to.

As you say, it was his route to power and it will be his only way of staying in power.

 

He says what they are thinking. Whether that will be enough when they are eating rusty cars and coal dust in four years remains to be seen.

[CarolAnn 926]

He didn't care and he doesn't care. He panders to them on things that they think matter to them (the immigration restrictions) and then goes and eviscerates things that protect them (Dodd-Frank, the legislation that prevents banks from pulling the shit that caused the mortgage bubble and the last recession). Steve Bannon is no fool, and I subscribe to the philosophy that he is really in charge.

 

This is hilarious.

[YoungWillz 21,046]

He didn't care and he doesn't care. He panders to them on things that they think matter to them (the immigration restrictions) and then goes and eviscerates things that protect them (Dodd-Frank, the legislation that prevents banks from pulling the shit that caused the mortgage bubble and the last recession). Steve Bannon is no fool, and I subscribe to the philosophy that he is really in charge.

 

SNL portray Steve Bannon as Death...don't think they are far off actually.

[WednesdayAddams 103]

I read a very interesting column in the WSJ a week or so ago, written by a long time political journalist who obviously had the confidence of GOP Congress and Senators as well as senior operatives. One of the points made is that you should never let your enemy see their own strength. All these marches they are seeing over there. whether organised or not, show a very considerable army of foot soldiers right across the USA. Democrats are seeing a huge potential of support to be tapped into and that's dangerous for the GOP and they know it. Elected Democrats feel they have momentum on their side now.

 

The same article went on to say the writer couldn't find one elected representative that was prepared, even in private and in confidence, to mount a strong defence of Trump's immigration order. Many felt the chaos in it's implementation to be an own goal and Trump/Bannon's failing to include due process has got many of them frothing at the mouth with rage. "They couldn't allow 3 days grace?" one Senator said.

 

There is a quiet cold war starting between the Trump administration and the rest of the GOP and I think everyone is waiting for that moment to break ranks and abandon Trump and his mates. At the moment, the GOP is enjoying the chance to implement domestic changes they haven't had a chance to attempt for a long time. But once they're done housekeeping, it's only a matter of time before they turn on him in mass.

 

3 weeks was always going to be too swift to ditch Dodgy Donald, but when the midterms are starting to draw near, watch them all flee for their political lives. None of them want 10,000 activists with witty homemade banners outside their campaign offices.

[Bibliogryphon 9,582]

En masse from the French.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

He didn't care and he doesn't care. He panders to them on things that they think matter to them (the immigration restrictions) and then goes and eviscerates things that protect them (Dodd-Frank, the legislation that prevents banks from pulling the shit that caused the mortgage bubble and the last recession). Steve Bannon is no fool, and I subscribe to the philosophy that he is really in charge.

 

This is hilarious.

You are way too clever for me.....Im out.

[WednesdayAddams 103]

En masse from the French.

 

Thanks. Brain fade today. lol

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

UKIP have a history of incompetence. This could hurt them in Stoke https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/10/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-denies-lying-about-being-at-hillsborough-disaster

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

UKIP have a history of incompetence. This could hurt them in Stoke https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/10/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-denies-lying-about-being-at-hillsborough-disaster

I doubt it.

Honestly, people outside of Liverpool have hardly been rabid in their support of justice for the Hillsborough victims.

Yes it was a tragedy, the Police were incompetent liars and The Sun, allegedly, reported from Police sources.

The bottom line is nobody in Stoke is going to give much of a shit whether he was there for real or lied that he was there.

Maybe he was but didnt need councelling...........

[Toast 16,140]

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

Thats the truth.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

Thats the truth.

 

It's not so much the Hillsborough thing it's the lying. These things have a way of growing irrespective of the topic. When they can't issue a straightforward denial and kill it it leaves them open to any other mud that gets flung (the false address is another example).

[Toast 16,140]

 

 

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

Thats the truth.

 

It's not so much the Hillsborough thing it's the lying. These things have a way of growing irrespective of the topic. When they can't issue a straightforward denial and kill it it leaves them open to any other mud that gets flung (the false address is another example).

 

 

Yes, but the mention of Hillsborough just makes me switch off. It's surrounded by so much ill-feeling, finger-pointing and mudslinging. I don't know why anybody would claim to be there if they were not, and I don't know why anyone would care if they were or not.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

Thats the truth.

 

It's not so much the Hillsborough thing it's the lying. These things have a way of growing irrespective of the topic. When they can't issue a straightforward denial and kill it it leaves them open to any other mud that gets flung (the false address is another example).

 

 

Yes, but the mention of Hillsborough just makes me switch off. It's surrounded by so much ill-feeling, finger-pointing and mudslinging. I don't know why anybody would claim to be there if they were not, and I don't know why anyone would care if they were or not.

 

OK, focus on the fact he filled in his nomination form with a false address which is illegal. Stoke should be an open goal for UKIP but their incompetence could let them down.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

 

 

 

 

I should think most people are sick of hearing about it. I know I am.

Thats the truth.

 

It's not so much the Hillsborough thing it's the lying. These things have a way of growing irrespective of the topic. When they can't issue a straightforward denial and kill it it leaves them open to any other mud that gets flung (the false address is another example).

 

 

Yes, but the mention of Hillsborough just makes me switch off. It's surrounded by so much ill-feeling, finger-pointing and mudslinging. I don't know why anybody would claim to be there if they were not, and I don't know why anyone would care if they were or not.

 

OK, focus on the fact he filled in his nomination form with a false address which is illegal. Stoke should be an open goal for UKIP but their incompetence could let them down.

 

Put it into a greater perspective.

The voting public cares not a fuck about UKIP except for using them to tell the main parties how fucked off they are with being Governed by an unelected European elite.

Now, you can argue the toss about whether we should be in or out or whether we are run by Europe or Westminster but what you cannot argue with is the fact that UKIP are a protest vote.

Most Politicians are corrupt, many have told lies and half truths but we still vote for them, not because we believe in their integrity but because the Party they represent is the lesser of all evils.

This election will boil down to the mood of the people of Stoke at this time. They may well vote completely differently come a General election but, for now, its their chance to vent, no matter who the candidate is.

The Labour candidate MIGHT get slaughtered because of Jeremy Corbyn and not because they themselves lack honesty and integrity.

Nuttall MIGHT get elected because people want out of the EU fucking pronto and there are Politicians throwing chairs and bins infront of the bus out of town to impede its progress.

Thats how it rolls in by elections god dammit or summat.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

John Bercow.

Should he stay or should he go?

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

John Bercow.

Should he stay or should he go?

Stay. He's an idiot but he's value for money.

[YoungWillz 21,046]

Stay. It's what the Tories do. Thatcher used the police as her paramilitary to shut down opposition, they couldn't do any wrong.

 

May has shut down an inquiry into Iraq atrocities. The armed services can do no wrong.

 

Bercow now being smeared.

 

Who's next? Once they abolish the Human Rights Act of course.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

Stay. It's what the Tories do. Thatcher used the police as her paramilitary to shut down opposition, they couldn't do any wrong.

 

May has shut down an inquiry into Iraq atrocities. The armed services can do no wrong.

 

Bercow now being smeared.

 

Who's next? Once they abolish the Human Rights Act of course.

What Sally and he get up to should be no concern of ours.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

Stay. It's what the Tories do. Thatcher used the police as her paramilitary to shut down opposition, they couldn't do any wrong.

 

May has shut down an inquiry into Iraq atrocities. The armed services can do no wrong.

 

Bercow now being smeared.

 

Who's next? Once they abolish the Human Rights Act of course.

Hold on a mo.

How the fuck is Bercow being smeared?

He is meant to be impartial, HIS opinion is not meant for public consumption.

Of course he has his own views on Politics but his role is such that he keeps his opinions to himself.

You turned a straightforward question into another excuse to try and fuck the Tories over, deservedly or not.

The question was a simple one, it pertains to the integrity of the speaker of the House, nothing more.

Would you have been so defensive of him had he told those students he was a Brexit supporter and would welcome and be happy for Trump to give a speech?

Rocky gave his opinion, my opinion is the opposite but, as I see it, nobody has even alluded to the idea that Bercow is somesort of victim of the establishment.

If anything the twat is a victim of his own big mouth.

[YoungWillz 21,046]

I voted out.

 

Way I see it is he is allowed to vote in the Referendum. He's entitled like any other citizen/politician to divulge how he voted, it's not like it will affect the outcome. I think he's been fair and impartial in the Brexit debates.

 

However, what he said on Trump was a slap in the face to May. So they go off to find something to try and get him on. And that will probably backfire on her too, just like trying to use prerogative powers when she had none.

 

I draw the analogy to show the pattern of offending.

 

Believe me, I'm more than happy to criticise all the other parties...I have a pattern of offending in that regard too!

[msc 18,472]

He should stay. On a sad sod level, he's quite good at backbencher involvement in parliament, and you just have to look at his predecessor to find how shit some speakers can be at doing anything remotely like that. On a less thoughtful level, he annoys the crap of various folk I don't like, so more power to him!

 

As per Trump, he was right to be able to make the point (it's within his remit) but probably not saying it for public effect like he did. Which I believe was Lord Fowler's general point on the matter.