Derby Dead Pool 2016

[Joey Russ 7,119]

The independent isn't dropping till January.

[Death Impends 7,361]

The independent isn't dropping till January.

 

But they closed up shop on their obits section back in March, nowadays only running them for the really big names. Which is a big part of why the Independent's become largely DDP irrelevant.

[Joey Russ 7,119]

 

The independent isn't dropping till January.

 

But they closed up shop on their obits section back in March, nowadays only running them for the really big names. Which is a big part of why the Independent's become largely DDP irrelevant.

 

Good point.

[msc 17,720]

So, 30 days to go till the new year, and end of a thrilling 2016 DDP. By my reckoning, we have 5 teams left who can mathematically win it, though some are far more likely than others, to say the least. The Love Boat can't win as they'd be reliant on Errol Christie to make up the considerable deficit, and Spade has him, but I would expect this team to get a lot closer in 2017. As Tony Adamowicz isn't getting the obit, Crossing the Styx would need all four of Ian St John, Nobby Stiles, Glen Campbell and Tony Booth to die in the next four weeks - somewhat unlikely, and they'd still trail Chorizo even then, I think. Also Bert, who would be closer but for two gambles which didn't play off - and that magician was a lot closer than anyone gave him credit for - can't overtake DDT due to their shared terrorist.

 

They've all done rather well though.

 

This leaves Spade, which just needs to run down the clock. Chorizo's so close to a huge upset, but their remaining picks of Suzuki, Roberts and Dr Nakamats don't seem in any hurry to depart. Why do people keep going for Nakamats? Ian St John is his joker in the pack, but I think we're talking months not days there. Reminds me of TJS last year, so close, but lacking the final bullet in a shootout. DDT's within touching distance too, but he is reliant on those thirteen points if Al-Baghdadi fails to see out the new year.

 

Then we have Death Impends, and Errol Christie is useless to him right now. However, DI went for Cruyff when most thought he'd do better. He went for Suzanne Wright when others quibbled about Qualifying Obits. He took a punt on a Cuban most had never heard of, a soul singer others assumed would live into 2017, and a footballer and a Mayor who both felt risky picks. He's won on all of them. He has one gamble left on the table, a "Who is this guy" no one else went for. John Wicks. 63, so 8 points, plus a unique bonus, would give him the lead if it were the only death in the top four in December. TJS has had the rub of the green in 2016, don't put it beyond him...

 

Which leaves little old me. I know, I know, you'll be writing to the Fraud Squad, but the two from three Stiles/Sims/Joost combo is still there on the table. Of them, Dr Sims is Facebooking away too heartily to miss the Christmas turkey imo, but Stiles and van der Westhuizen are "go at any time" names now. Both in the next 29 days feels highly unlikely, but never say never, I guess.

 

So, assuming Spade is going to win, the folk to look out for to die and disprove that are Ian St John, Al-Baghdadi, John Wicks and Stiles, Van der Westhuizen.

 

In order of title winning likelihood

 

5. me (a nice one off abnomally, I'll be back to my usual 134th place next year...)

4. Chorizo (most improved?)

3. DI (still tweaking his game but improving every year. I think he'll win the DDP within three years, and it wont be the last time either)

2. DDT (seemingly, he can beat anyone but Spade right now)

1. Spade (can nobody beat these Eggheads this deadpooler?)

 

I think there will be one more twist in the thing, but at this point it could be Luke Halpin going as much as any of those mentioned above.

[YoungWillz 18,960]

Round Up #32 (as the year dies, so do these...)

 

Luis Alberto Monge: https://forums.death...ailty/?p=282947 (Carried Over)

 

Awaiting Obit.

 

Andrew Sachs: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/9000-andrew-sachs/?p=283117 (Daily Mail Obit In Link)

 

Sarah Swindells: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8709-only-famous-for-being-ill-and-dying/?p=283267

 

Awaiting Obit.

 

Sammy Lee: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/598-olympic-deathsdead-medallists/?p=283323

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-3997862/Sammy-Lee-2-time-Olympic-diving-champion-dies-96.html

 

Van Williams: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8152-batman/?p=283483

 

Daily Mirror Obit: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/green-hornet-actor-van-williams-9398455

 

Peter Vaughan: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8629-the-dead-of-2016/?p=283551 (BBC Obit In Link)

 

Moyra Browne: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8456-aristocrats/?p=283736 (Times Death Notice In Link)

[gcreptile 10,214]

I really need to watch Joost van der Westhuizen. He'll most likely be the youngest person on the Drop 40. But I tend to think that ALS won't kill him. I have my doubts about the lethality of sports related ALS.

[gcreptile 10,214]

For about 11 months al-Baghdadi was a lock on my main team for next year. But with ISIS steadily losing and him not dead, he's probably somewhere else. Or he'll be found in some hole like Saddam, at some point in the future.

I now believe that IF someone still beats Spade this year, it will be Cpt Chorizo with the unique hit of Seijun Suzuki.

[themaninblack 2,112]

 

So with a month to go who would be your vote for biggest shock on List of the Lost?

I will still say Kitty Kallen's absence in the U.K. media outlets remains a mystery. Piet de Jong gets a tip o the cap as well, I mean he was only a neighbouring PM after all. Total disrespect. Those are my top 2.

SC

I'd go with Isao Tomita one of the Pioneers of Electronic Music not getting a UK Obit, particularly as in the Us anyway he got mentioned in most mainstream music sites and got full writes in the 2 biggest papers(NT and LA Times). The closure of the Independent probably cost him and a few other's mentions.

 

 

Spade may yet rue the lack of Michel Depech's UK obit although time is running out for everyone else...

[YoungWillz 18,960]

I'm optimistic that only one of my three teams look like finishing bottom this year.

 

Dang you to hell medical science (Parfitt and Van Day).

[msc 17,720]

Something I didn't know last night: looking at social media, S1m5's health has deteriorated rapidly in the last few weeks, and its currently touch and go if he'll survive the next week or two.

[Death Impends 7,361]

Something I didn't know last night: looking at social media, S1m5's health has deteriorated rapidly in the last few weeks, and its currently touch and go if he'll survive the next week or two.

 

From the Supporters comments here, it looks like from yesterday his mother was concerned he wouldn't last the night. Omnious indeed.

[Joey Russ 7,119]

When the entries finally open, do you have to send all your teams at once, or can you send one before another

[themaninblack 2,112]

As as it's before 01/01/17, I don't mind what order you send it in...

[Eesti 151]

Whilst doing some background database updating in readiness for next year, I went all Wisden and compiled a list of teams with the best hit rate (i.e. most hits per year of competing). Here's the top 50 1996-2015:

 

 

9.50 The Living End

9.00 Meet Your Maker

8.83 David Quantick's Showbiz Pals

8.67 New Years And Drinks All Night!

7.88 The Misers

7.80 Golden Slumbers

7.67 Poochie Died On The Way Back To His Home Planet

7.67 Canadian Paul

7.55 Octopus of Odstock

7.33 Deceased Hose

7.33 Already Dead

7.17 Star Dust

7.17 Impaled On The Antlers Of Doom

7.14 We Spin Terror

7.13 Ethnic Cleansing

7.00 STAB in the DARK

6.89 The Waiting List

6.78 Wormer, He's A Dead Man! Niedermier Dead! Marmalard Dead!

6.43 The Beatles Are Dying In The Wrong Order

6.11 Carkers Convention 2016

6.10 Dead Ends

6.08 Deathlist.net

6.00 They're Dead, Y'Know!

5.91 Eejit

5.90 Madonna's Hand of Bod

5.88 I'm Sorry For Your Trouble

5.88 Shovelful Of Dirt

5.80 Windsor The Troll

5.70 This Mortal Coil

5.67 Inquilinekea/Simfish

5.64 The Newstreet Boys Death Squad

5.50 Going Underground

5.45 Grobler's Stiff Ones

5.44 Stiff & the Tears

5.22 Lord Football's Usual List of Ill People

5.13 JoeRam

5.10 Eternity Tours

5.00 Crazycarl

4.91 Puzlman's Passing Picks

4.90 Brown Bread

4.89 The End of the World As We Know It

4.70 Noah Reason And The Youth In Asia

4.65 Drunkasaskunk

4.60 The Conqueror Worm

4.35 Mr C

4.20 It's Grim Up North

4.09 Bazzilliant

3.90 Going Green

3.37 Jesus Jones

 

No doubt there'll be some changes once 2016 has finished...

 

Shouldn't I be here with 4,6 hits per year? After the year my hit rate per year will be at least 5,67.

[gcreptile 10,214]

The Love Boat is currently at 8,5. 4 in 2015, 13 so far in 2016.

[themaninblack 2,112]

 

Whilst doing some background database updating in readiness for next year, I went all Wisden and compiled a list of teams with the best hit rate (i.e. most hits per year of competing). Here's the top 50 1996-2015:

 

 

9.50 The Living End

9.00 Meet Your Maker

8.83 David Quantick's Showbiz Pals

8.67 New Years And Drinks All Night!

7.88 The Misers

7.80 Golden Slumbers

7.67 Poochie Died On The Way Back To His Home Planet

7.67 Canadian Paul

7.55 Octopus of Odstock

7.33 Deceased Hose

7.33 Already Dead

7.17 Star Dust

7.17 Impaled On The Antlers Of Doom

7.14 We Spin Terror

7.13 Ethnic Cleansing

7.00 STAB in the DARK

6.89 The Waiting List

6.78 Wormer, He's A Dead Man! Niedermier Dead! Marmalard Dead!

6.43 The Beatles Are Dying In The Wrong Order

6.11 Carkers Convention 2016

6.10 Dead Ends

6.08 Deathlist.net

6.00 They're Dead, Y'Know!

5.91 Eejit

5.90 Madonna's Hand of Bod

5.88 I'm Sorry For Your Trouble

5.88 Shovelful Of Dirt

5.80 Windsor The Troll

5.70 This Mortal Coil

5.67 Inquilinekea/Simfish

5.64 The Newstreet Boys Death Squad

5.50 Going Underground

5.45 Grobler's Stiff Ones

5.44 Stiff & the Tears

5.22 Lord Football's Usual List of Ill People

5.13 JoeRam

5.10 Eternity Tours

5.00 Crazycarl

4.91 Puzlman's Passing Picks

4.90 Brown Bread

4.89 The End of the World As We Know It

4.70 Noah Reason And The Youth In Asia

4.65 Drunkasaskunk

4.60 The Conqueror Worm

4.35 Mr C

4.20 It's Grim Up North

4.09 Bazzilliant

3.90 Going Green

3.37 Jesus Jones

 

No doubt there'll be some changes once 2016 has finished...

 

Shouldn't I be here with 4,6 hits per year? After the year my hit rate per year will be at least 5,67.

 

 

Aye, but have you got enough points? This list of the 50 is those with the most accumulated points which are then subsequently marked by hit average. Incidentally the "least" experienced in that 50 is Golden Slumbers with 5 years, compared with the most of Jesus Jones with 18...

[msc 17,720]

Question, TMIB.

 

See if a terrorist chap is announced to have snuffed it by Western media, in, say, December 2016, and then the terrorist organisation announce that he has died (but don't give a date of death) in, say, January 2017... would the DDP host count this as a 2016 death or a 2017 death?

 

Given the rules are it doesn't count until both sides confirm it.

[themaninblack 2,112]

Depends on the date they agree he died on. There needs to be a date of death as the database will not accept a blank...

[msc 17,720]

Thanks!

[Joey Russ 7,119]

I should know the differences between lost and missed by now

[drunkasaskunk 164]

So basically no changes then. Looks like we will all be picking a bunch more nobodies and cancer mums so long as death awaits them. It's kinda sad you let the list of sources dictate 'fame' instead of common sense. And if there is no element of fame involved, why are we doing this? My team will start off with whatever is left from Shameless and build from there.

SC

 

 

I am looking forward to the kick off, although I am disappointed that we are still allowing non-celebrities to be (qualifying) picks.

 

I WAS hoping that we would only attribute points to those who get an obits from authorised sources ***AND*** which describe the “celebrity” of the stiff in the first (say) 30 words of the article.

 

For example – the following are from qualifying obits from this current game –

 

· “Italian beauty queen who became a 1950s screen goddess”.

· “The character actor was best known for playing . . . . “

· “ the talented Cuban trumpeter”

 

These suggest to the casual reader that, in life, the person had some discernible “celebrity” attributes.

 

HOWEVER, the following from officially scoring obits do seem to lack the celebrity status required (IMHO) for a celebrity dead pool

 

· “Brave mum-of-three”

· “a Nevada woman “

· “Pakistani student”

 

 

There are millions of Brave mums of three, thousands of Nevada women and thousands of Pakistani students, however, in today’s society that does not make them celebrities, whereas – I contend - being a Beauty queen, a character actor and even a Cuban trumpeter does.

 

I know it can be difficult to determine “celebrity” (is a rubik’s cube champion or the world bog-snorkling champion a celebrity???) but I think a bit of common sense should prevail. We all know what 'celebrity' is. It's like pornography - I can't provide a definition of what it is but I know it when I see it.

 

I think that allowing picks who are famous for dying (and not for their celebrity whilst still alive) has significantly weakened the game.

 

That said, bring it on.

[YoungWillz 18,960]

Round Up #33 (Christmas Special)

 

Adolf Burger: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8629-the-dead-of-2016/?p=283783

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4013828/Adolf-Burger-inmate-forced-Nazis-forge-money-dies.html

 

John Glenn: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/1528-astronauts/?p=283953

 

Guardian Obit: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/dec/08/john-glenn-us-astronaut-dies

 

Chus Lampreave: (from List Of The Lost)

 

Guardian Obit: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/aug/07/pedro-almodovar-observer-interview

 

Hildegard Hamm-Brücher: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8613-derby-dead-pool-2016/?p=284027

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4016912/Hamm-Bruecher-Grand-Dame-Germanys-FDP-dies-95.html

 

Joseph Mascolo: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/2531-betty-driver-memorial-soapstar-superstar-thread/?p=284101

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4018954/Days-Lives-Joseph-Mascolo-played-villain-Stefano-DiMera-dies-87-long-battle-Alzheimer-s.html

 

Ken Hechler: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8677-political-frailty/?p=284276

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4022454/West-Virginia-statesman-author-Ken-Hechler-dies-102.html

 

David Morsley: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8709-only-famous-for-being-ill-and-dying/?p=284425 (Mirror Obit In Link)

 

John Moffat: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/6603-people-who-are-dead-according-to-wikipedia/?p=284460

 

Awaiting Obit.

 

James Prior: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/6027-thatchers-first-ministry/?p=284470 (BBC Obit In Link)

[Joey Russ 7,119]

Who will break the record, cause we're tied with Adolf Burger's daily mail obit.

[Toast 14,800]

Round Up #33 (Christmas Special)

 

Adolf Burger: https://forums.deathlist.net/topic/8629-the-dead-of-2016/?p=283783

 

Daily Mail Obit: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-4013828/Adolf-Burger-inmate-forced-Nazis-forge-money-dies.html

 

Every time I see that name I imagine a scene in a fast food place:

"Can I have an Adolf Burger with large fries, please."

[themaninblack 2,112]

 

So basically no changes then. Looks like we will all be picking a bunch more nobodies and cancer mums so long as death awaits them. It's kinda sad you let the list of sources dictate 'fame' instead of common sense. And if there is no element of fame involved, why are we doing this? My team will start off with whatever is left from Shameless and build from there.

SC

 

 

I am looking forward to the kick off, although I am disappointed that we are still allowing non-celebrities to be (qualifying) picks.

 

I WAS hoping that we would only attribute points to those who get an obits from authorised sources ***AND*** which describe the “celebrity” of the stiff in the first (say) 30 words of the article.

 

For example – the following are from qualifying obits from this current game –

 

· “Italian beauty queen who became a 1950s screen goddess”.

· “The character actor was best known for playing . . . . “

· “ the talented Cuban trumpeter”

 

These suggest to the casual reader that, in life, the person had some discernible “celebrity” attributes.

 

HOWEVER, the following from officially scoring obits do seem to lack the celebrity status required (IMHO) for a celebrity dead pool

 

· “Brave mum-of-three”

· “a Nevada woman “

· “Pakistani student”

 

 

There are millions of Brave mums of three, thousands of Nevada women and thousands of Pakistani students, however, in today’s society that does not make them celebrities, whereas – I contend - being a Beauty queen, a character actor and even a Cuban trumpeter does.

 

I know it can be difficult to determine “celebrity” (is a rubik’s cube champion or the world bog-snorkling champion a celebrity???) but I think a bit of common sense should prevail. We all know what 'celebrity' is. It's like pornography - I can't provide a definition of what it is but I know it when I see it.

 

I think that allowing picks who are famous for dying (and not for their celebrity whilst still alive) has significantly weakened the game.

 

That said, bring it on.

 

 

To be frank, this is an issue I've prodded around without coming to a satisfying conclusion. I received an email from another prospective competitor just prior to opening the nominations which covers much the same ground: What is classed as a "celebrity" and indeed what is classed as a "theme" team. In broad terms, I would regard a theme team as one which narrows the options somewhat.

 

When it comes to celebrity, it becomes an administrative quagmire if you set out to enforce restrictions. For instance at what point and by what particular criteria do you judge who goes in and out? There's likely to be around 450-500 teams of 20 "celebs" each, so potentially I (or whoever succeeds me as host) will have to go through each team and judge they are excluded based on certain conditions. The UK obit rule is the key factor in whether a hit gets points or not and is therefore the most reliable indicator we have, but of course you cannot foresee whether there will be a UK obit for nominated persons and base your decision on exclusions on that. And as we know, Shamless for example only got 5 scoring hits, enough to almost certainly win the TTL but most of the "hits" of his didn't get the points. But of course Shameless was on the start line to begin with...

 

Which is why I decided at an alteration to the scoring (albeit minor) to encourage more "mainstream" picks and try to off-set the impact of the "cancer mums" phenomenon somewhat. I had originally came up with a much radical alteration to the scoring back in the summer but in the end practical considerations meant that it boiled down to a rather cautious addition...

 

One option is to separate the two pools and that could potentially open the option of making changes to the points schema for both. However, there is the overlapping issue of the same celebs being included in two leagues. But the pro-TTL faction would complain that it would leave them put of the main pool and thus from gauging their performance against the main set of teams (Shameless sits in joint 38th position for example).

 

And of course we must consider that there are those that are strongly against any restrictions to entry, the "Anything goes" faction...