Nigel Farage

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BBC assessment of how realistic Reform's plans (Farage as next PM) actually are: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp39yz3wdl9o

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On 05/06/2024 at 18:32, Toast said:

Woman charged after milkshake thrown over Farage

 

I'm amazed that she's 25.  I thought she looked about 15.

 

Avoids Jail

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From the

13 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Avoids Jail

 

From the new posts precis where you only see the text not the pic I read that as Nigel Farage (thread) -  Avoids Jail. And thought - that's a pity.

 

Turns out I'm happier once I actually look at the post.

 

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2 hours ago, En Passant said:

From the

 

From the new posts precis where you only see the text not the pic I read that as Nigel Farage (thread) -  Avoids Jail. And thought - that's a pity.

 

Turns out I'm happier once I actually look at the post.

If he went to Jail he would probably become more popular - see Trump’s convictions probably helping him win again.

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You’ve heard of Elf on a Shelf…

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He always makes me think of Mr Toad.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Toast said:

He always makes me think of Mr Toad.

 

 

Someone once discovered that "Nigel Farage's Reform party" is an anagram for "Pale arsey manfrog grifter"

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9 minutes ago, Brad252 said:

Someone once discovered that "Nigel Farage's Reform party" is an anagram for "Pale arsey manfrog grifter"

Since the Virginia Bottomley one they have all tried it. He is just a money grubbing cunt. Not sure if there is an anagram. 

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Reform have now overtaken the Tories in membership figures.

 

Nigel for PM!

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24 minutes ago, Viceroy said:

Reform have now overtaken the Tories in membership figures.

 

Nigel for PM!

They’re ahead of them by about 12,000 now.

 

Kemi isn’t too bright. Tried to claim they were fixing the counter. Reform then invited tech journalists to look at the backend of the system where the counter is hosted. Sky News seem to have verified it’s indeed accurate.

 

Poor Kemi is panicking big time and she’s coming off rather desperate. How long til her Tory chums bin her?

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2 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

They’re ahead of them by about 12,000 now.

 

Kemi isn’t too bright. Tried to claim they were fixing the counter. Reform then invited tech journalists to look at the backend of the system where the counter is hosted. Sky News seem to have verified it’s indeed accurate.

 

Poor Kemi is panicking big time and she’s coming off rather desperate. How long til her Tory chums bin her?

2 years.

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People are far more likely to join a third party group like reform or for example the greens over the big two. Not that it isn't significant milestone but party membership numbers don't equate to vote percentages. Most people are not a member of any political party and will just vote Tory or Labour come an election.

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1 minute ago, Sean said:

2 years.

Could be a good guess actually. I think you could be spot on.
 

They don’t have much to lose right now but their donors and candidates won’t wait forever for ground to be made by the leader.

 

They’ll make marginal gains in the local elections in May and Kemi will try to paint that as some kind of enthusiasm for the Tories, rather than the fact that millions are just pissed off with Labour.

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The SNP surge in 2014 gave them a bunch of seats in Scotland (where they were the biggest party, unlike Reform in the UK) but didn't give them a second indy ref or any of their goals. I agree with the overall consensus about Badenoch being rubbish though. If my party had lost their worst result since the 1760s and had only just held onto dozens of now shockingly marginal seats, I'd have put my very best option as leader for fear of obliteration. 

 

5 minutes ago, Sean said:

2 years

 

Iain Duncan Smith lasted 26 months, which is far longer than I remembered. Remember "The Quiet Man is back and he's turning up the volume"? 

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14 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Could be a good guess actually. I think you could be spot on.
 

They don’t have much to lose right now but their donors and candidates won’t wait forever for ground to be made by the leader.

 

They’ll make marginal gains in the local elections in May and Kemi will try to paint that as some kind of enthusiasm for the Tories, rather than the fact that millions are just pissed off with Labour.

I agree with all your points.

 

My other reasons are that whatever happens Tories won't want to depose another leader so soon plus there's no election coming up so there's no urgency and Badenoch isn't doing a terrible job compared to other Tory leaders (Low bar I know).

 

The achilles heel is reform.There are many former Conservative voters and members who are just too disillusioned with the failings of the Tories over the last 14 years to forgive them.Badenoch had to nip this in the bud (not a small feat) quickly but she hasn't. This I don't think will change so will doom her.This entire spat over member numbers is predicated on the fact that we have two party system so Badenoch is putting out the same narrative that a split right wing vote benefits Labour which is right.I think though the momentum on the right to choose reform to stop splitting the vote is what many voters on the right will do.Which would be game over for the Tories which is why Badenoch is shitting bricks.

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11 minutes ago, msc said:

The SNP surge in 2014 gave them a bunch of seats in Scotland (where they were the biggest party, unlike Reform in the UK) but didn't give them a second indy ref or any of their goals. I agree with the overall consensus about Badenoch being rubbish though. If my party had lost their worst result since the 1760s and had only just held onto dozens of now shockingly marginal seats, I'd have put my very best option as leader for fear of obliteration. 

 

 

Iain Duncan Smith lasted 26 months, which is far longer than I remembered. Remember "The Quiet Man is back and he's turning up the volume"? 

I see her being the same.Labour are exceptionally unpopular but no one cares about the Conservatives either and Badenoch isn't changing that.She will make 2 year leader mark as there is no one less shit emerging for them as a successor .

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7 minutes ago, Sean said:

I see her being the same.Labour are exceptionally unpopular but no one cares about the Conservatives either and Badenoch isn't changing that.

 

I'm reminded of Harold MacMillan's view that a government can be unpopular every month of the year as long as they aren't for the election! Although in general, the opposition splitting may be as good news for Labour as it was for Thatcher and, to a lesser extent, Cameron. Ask me how this all worked in a few years. 

 

9 minutes ago, Sean said:

She will make 2 year leader mark as there is no one less shit emerging for them as a successor .

 

You mean you don't rate the leadership chances of... (checks Wiki)... Robert Jenrick? Laura Trott? Edward Argar (sounds like the name of the ghost in a Victorian revenge story)? I'm shocked! 

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I reckon she'll last longer for the Tories than Ruben Amorim will for Man Utd the rate they're going.

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2 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

They’re ahead of them by about 12,000 now.

 

Kemi isn’t too bright. Tried to claim they were fixing the counter. Reform then invited tech journalists to look at the backend of the system where the counter is hosted. Sky News seem to have verified it’s indeed accurate.

 

Poor Kemi is panicking big time and she’s coming off rather desperate. How long til her Tory chums bin her?

 

It's not surprising at all. The two main parties have been constantly been shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to messaging for a while now. 

 

For example, Elon Musk has stated wishes to bring in massive, wide-scale immigration of engineers from other countries because "there's a lack of them in America".  This solves the problem in the short-term, but what this means in the long-term is that America's engineering industry is going to become fully reliant on immigrants. And as for American-born trained engineers? Well, fuck them, they want higher wages than the immigrants, so he's going to shut them off from the job market. Alternative solutions, like implementing programmes and schemes to ensure more Americans train as engineers - take too long for reactionaries like Musk, who need that dopamine rush of seeing the profit numbers going up right then and there, not in 20 years time. 

 

For those who think Reform UK actually wants to do anything about immigration, remember that this is the man wanting to bankroll them. Nigel and his ilk have no allegiance to the UK and would happily run the country into the shitter if it means they can personally benefit from it. Remember when he conceded about 3 milliseconds after the polls closed for the Brexit referendum? That was a calculated move to influence the value of the pound so he and his hedge fund manager mates could profit. 

 

If there's one thing I have to give them credit for, it's their messaging and ability to connect with the working class on a level that the Tories and Labour could only dream of these days. I have absolutely no doubts that a Reform government would increase immigration (at least to begin with) as immigrants generally work for less pay so to a hedge fund capitalist that's a win - and they'd get away with it by scapegoating the immigrants themselves, rather than the rich folk who, well, actually make the decisions - hiring them, leasing to them, etc,  so they can pay them less. Again, one of Reform's greatest victories is being able to pit the working classes against each other while Farage's rich friends simply laugh and make bank from immigrant labour. 

 

Why the main two parties don't constantly bring things major factors like this up, constantly so it's ingrained in people's minds, instead of just letting Reform spew their rhetoric unchecked and falling carrot-and-stick for easy bait (i.e. the Tories battling with Reform over membership numbers as if that's going to win over a single voter?) absolutely flummoxes me. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sly Ronnie said:

I reckon she'll last longer for the Tories than Ruben Amorim will for Man Utd the rate they're going.

The way things are going Ruben Amorim might be Man United’s Liz Truss. 

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3 hours ago, Sean said:

2 years.

Labour are becoming as unpopular if not more than the Tories were in government so I think she might make the election. Probably won’t be PM but I rule nothing out.