Thoughts On The 2017 List

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3 minutes ago, Toast said:

I don't see it as an issue.  This isn't a matter for quotas.  You just pick people who you think are likely candidates, regardless of gender, race, nationality, or whatever. 

 

Shaun makes a good point about women historically being vastly outnumbered by men in the notability stakes.  Most areas were dominated by men.  For example, when I was a child there were no female newsreaders on UK television.  It was held that female voices lacked sufficient gravitas to deliver serious news.  And in the mid-twentieth century UK, most married women of middle class and upwards did not have jobs. This is the generation now reaching old age. 

I'm certainly not advocating quotas! I think Istarted by first saying that I don't want to be another Harriet Harman! 

 

Whilst a 50/50 split would be absurd and over the top I do personally think and feel that there could and should be a few more women on the list. I was highlighting my own unconscious bias or slant of thinking too. 

Whilst I accept that there were more prominent men than women in the past I don't think that explains fully the numbers. It's only a partial explanation. 

 

Your right in the grand scheme of things it's not a big issue and in the context of just this forum it isn't a big issue. 

 

Perhaps a mild medium issue that was worth highlighting. That's all. 

I'm not a overzealous missionary or evangelist for this issue but I feel it's worthy of mention. 

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1 minute ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Give it 30 years and it will be far more balanced as more notable women will be either getting extremely old or extremely ill.It will never be 50/50 though as men tend to not live as long as women.

I look forward to that day whenever it arrives! 

 

Enjoyed the discussion with all. 

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3 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

To be quite honest with you. 

Thanks 

[Sean 6,314]

Also statistically picking a 90 year old man is more likely to die in a given year than a 90 year old woman.Also though as more public figures are disclosing illnesses of course more female candidates will emerge.

 

Here are my suggestions of 50 new women who could be on future deathlists:

 

1)Charlotte Rae

2)June Brown

3)Fenella Fielding

4)Cleo Laine

5)Judith Kerr

6)Baroness Trumpington

7)Lilianne Bettencourt

8)Glynis Johns

9)Diana Athill

10)Baroness  Mary Wilson

11)Ruth Bader Ginsburg

12)Marion Ross

13)Sheila Mercier

14)Diana Serra Carey

15)Clarissa Eden

16)Joni Mitchell

17)Linda Ronstadt

18)Christianne F

19)Daniella Westbrook

20)Elaine Lorden

21)Patricia Knatchbull

22)Heather Chasen

23)Betty Boothroyd

24)Shirley Williams

25)Gudrun Ure

26)Toni Morrison

27)Vanessa Redgrave

28)Eva Marie Saint

29)Joanne Woodward

30)June Whitfield

31)Glenda Jackson

32)Virginia McKenna

33)Sylvia Sims

34)Jane Campbell

35)Angie Dickinson

36)Shirley Bassey

37)Liz Fraser

38)June Spencer

39)Ysanne Churchman

40)Jane Powell

41)Dorothy Malone

42)Doreen Mantle

43)Josephine Tewson

44)Patricia Routledge

45)Ethel Kennedy

46)Barbara Bush

47)Rosalynn Carter

48)Tippi Hedren

49)Joan Plowright

50)Cloris Leahman

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

Two candaidates on the list are essentialy dying as we speak so it looks like a good list.

[Spade_Cooley 9,515]

2 minutes ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

8)Glynis Johns

 

[Sean 6,314]

6 minutes ago, The Mad Hatter said:

Two candaidates on the list are essentialy dying as we speak so it looks like a good list.

Which two?I am guessing Charlotte Rae is one.

[Death Impends 7,959]

I think he's talking about names on the official DL?

[Sean 6,314]

1 minute ago, Death Impends said:

I think he's talking about names on the official DL?

Ah apologies.

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21 minutes ago, Shaun of the Dead said:

Also statistically picking a 90 year old man is more likely to die in a given year than a 90 year old woman.Also though as more public figures are disclosing illnesses of course more female candidates will emerge.

 

Here are my suggestions of 50 new women who could be on future deathlists:

 

1)Charlotte Rae

2)June Brown

3)Fenella Fielding

4)Cleo Laine

5)Judith Kerr

6)Baroness Trumpington

7)Lilianne Bettencourt

8)Glynis Johns

9)Diana Athill

10)Baroness  Mary Wilson

11)Ruth Bader Ginsburg

12)Marion Ross

13)Sheila Mercier

14)Diana Serra Carey

15)Clarissa Eden

16)Joni Mitchell

17)Linda Ronstadt

18)Christianne F

19)Daniella Westbrook

20)Elaine Lorden

21)Patricia Knatchbull

22)Heather Chasen

23)Betty Boothroyd

24)Shirley Williams

25)Gudrun Ure

26)Toni Morrison

27)Vanessa Redgrave

28)Eva Marie Saint

29)Joanne Woodward

30)June Whitfield

31)Glenda Jackson

32)Virginia McKenna

33)Sylvia Sims

34)Jane Campbell

35)Angie Dickinson

36)Shirley Bassey

37)Liz Fraser

38)June Spencer

39)Ysanne Churchman

40)Jane Powell

41)Dorothy Malone

42)Doreen Mantle

43)Josephine Tewson

44)Patricia Routledge

45)Ethel Kennedy

46)Barbara Bush

47)Rosalynn Carter

48)Tippi Hedren

49)Joan Plowright

50)Cloris Leahman

Now that Sir is what I would call a brilliant fantastic list! 

[Sean 6,314]

There are a fair few on the list this year statistically near death.Be it through age or their conditions.

[Sean 6,314]

1 minute ago, Gooseberry Crumble said:

Now that Sir is what I would call a brilliant fantastic list! 

Well we will see how many are alive at the end of the year.I reckon 5 -10 of those names could go this year.

[msc 18,438]

Well, you know, there are only 50 places a year, and people keep getting older. 20 years ago, Ken Dodd, Roger Moore and David Attenborough would have all been Deathlist mainstays at their current ages.

[Sean 6,314]

My revised predictions for this years lists hits:

George H.W Bush 15th June

Errol Christie :1st July

King Michael of Romania:8th July

Gord Downie:28th July

Tony Booth:5th August

Nobby Stiles:20th August

Leah Bracknell:30th August

Peter Sallis:6th September

Billy Graham :18th September

Javier Perez de Cuellar:29th September

Leslie Phillips:11th October

John Noakes:November 8th

Denis Norden:26th December

 

 Total 16/50

 

[ebless 203]

My predictions for 2017

 

King Michael of Romania - May 15th

Glenn Campbell - May 17th

George Bush Sr - May 26th

Errol Christie - June 1st

Nobby Stiles - June 10th

Gord Downie - July 28th

Valerie Harper - August 16th

Billy Graham - September 1st

Herman Wouk - September 7th

Tony Booth - October 13th

Bruce Forsyth - October 23rd

Leah Bracknell - November 9th

John Noakes - December 2nd

Peter Sallis - December 11th

 

17/50

 

Jake Lamotta will go in January 2018

[Joey Russ 7,220]

I feel like we're overdue a death. Not in the sense of in order to break the record (cause I'm not sure if we will anymore), but it just feels like one of the remaining 47 is going to die any minute now. 

[RadGuy 1,614]

4 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

I feel like we're overdue a death. Not in the sense of in order to break the record (cause I'm not sure if we will anymore), but it just feels like one of the remaining 47 is going to die any minute now. 

Dunno, I'd actually rather have a deathless May (long story, OCD) and then a very busy June-July-August. 

 

The record can still be broken, folks.

In 2003 we got 14 and all the hits happened in only half of the year: March-September.

In 2015 we were at the same pace as now and got 14.

[Sean 6,314]

I still think we will beat the record.Best way to look at is who is a bad pick.I would say there is a handful only such as Blackman White QE2 Carter Prowse Akhito etc.

 

I still reckon at the very least we will get Bracknell Downie Christie Booth and King Michael.

 

Of course if the rumours are right about Hefner he is a May or June hit.I also think Bush is likely to go this year.

 

As for all the others many of those with Alzheimers must be getting near the end.So we should lose at least 2 this year.

 

As for the extremely old Graham is another Zsa Zsa but cant go on forever

.Many of those over 90 on the list are not in the public eye so who knows how they are.Stastically we should lose a couple of them at least too.

[Zsa Zsa's leg 884]

My predictions:

4: King Michael I (06/11/17)

5: George Bush Sr (06/25/17)

6: Leah Bracknell (07/04/17)

7: Jill Gascoine (07/22/17)

8: Gord Downie (08/12/17)

9: Tony Booth (08/30/17)

10: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (09/09/17)

11: Glen Campbell (10/03/17)

12: Billy Graham (10/29/17)

13: Peter Sallis (11/26/17)

14: Kirk Douglas (12/01/17)

15: Errol Christie (12/15/17)

16: Olivia De Havilland (12/27/17)

Record Broken

[Joey Russ 7,220]

I think Akihito is actually a decent pick due to him abdicating soon. He might be a year early though . Gay Byrne, on the other hand, has prostate cancer that isn't really that bad, and I think he's overreacting. I would guess one of the poor picks would go, but I felt like that job was already done (albeit MTM). 

[Joey Russ 7,220]

I will try to guess 16 anyways cause it is still possible. If I had a guess:

1. Mary Tyler Moore

2. Joost van der Westhuizen 

3. David Rockefeller 

4. Hugh Hefner

5. Ian Brady (really strong gut feeling here)

6. King Michael of Romania 

7. Herman Wouk

8. Ian St John

9. Gord Downie 

10. Jake LaMotta

11. Errol Christie 

12. Tony Booth 

13. Bruce Forsyth 

14. Glen Campbell 

15. Kirk Douglas (if the record is broken, it'll be someone who's big)

16. George Bush Sr 

 

Although doing this list is reminding me how good certain picks are. And I do have the feeling one of our cancer folk will make it to 2018, and it's not Gord Downie...

 

[Book 3,552]

I'm bored, so...

 

20.05.17: Hugh Hefner

21.05.17: King Michael

31.05.17: Herman Wouk

25.07.17: Billy Graham

02.08.17: Lord Carrington

17.08.17: Leah Bracknell

27.10.17: Gord Downie

30.10.17: George Bush Sr.

05.11.17: Glen Campbell

07.11.17: Errol Christie

12.11.17 Tony Booth

28.11.17: Peter Sallis

 

15/50

14/50

No new record this year. Sorry.

 

[LilyForrester 81]

1 hour ago, Joey Russ said:

I feel like we're overdue a death. Not in the sense of in order to break the record (cause I'm not sure if we will anymore), but it just feels like one of the remaining 47 is going to die any minute now. 

Completely agree, things have gotten really quiet and I feel like we're going to get a rapid fire row of deaths for the rest of the year.

[Zsa Zsa's leg 884]

52 minutes ago, Book said:

I'm bored, so...

 

20.05.17: Hugh Hefner

21.05.17: King Michael

31.05.17: Herman Wouk

25.07.17: Billy Graham

02.08.17: Lord Carrington

17.08.17: Leah Bracknell

27.10.17: Gord Downie

30.10.17: George Bush Sr.

05.11.17: Glen Campbell

07.11.17: Errol Christie

12.11.17 Tony Booth

28.11.17: Peter Sallis

 

15/50

No new record this year. Sorry.

 

15/50 would be a new record.

[Davey Jones' Locker 1,324]

4 hours ago, LilyForrester said:

Completely agree, things have gotten really quiet and I feel like we're going to get a rapid fire row of deaths for the rest of the year.

It is as if 2016 really were cursed, the way things went really quiet suddently as soon as the year ended after the Carrie Fisher/Debbie Reynolds double event.  

 

Apart from some high profile Aussies going, things have been very quiet ever since the calendar ticked over. You'd have expected the trend from last year to have continued as there are plenty more celebs of the Bowie/Fisher/Prince/George Michael/etc vintage out there who have had similar lifestyles.