Paul Bearer 6,124 Posted February 10, 2021 On 16 January 2020 at 17:44, Paul Bearer said: FFS. Still no Sparks. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,244 Posted February 15, 2021 On 10/02/2021 at 10:18, Sir Creep said: I"m not goofing, I'm totally serious. I DID think the same thing "Feel A Cutie". Oh look someone posting a youtube video as proof of fame. smh. I got some Cajun bands for you, you should know them all, after all I can find them on Youtube! Somebody must’ve pissed off a bunch of Nigerian fans, he’s currently leading in the fan vote! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,244 Posted February 2, 2022 Well, it’s that time of year where we shit on the rock and roll hall of fame’s nominees. Here’s the list this time: Beck Pat Benatar Kate Bush DEVO Duran Duran Eminem Eurythmics Judas Priest Fela Kuti MC5 New York Dolls Dolly Parton Rage Against The Machine Lionel Richie Carly Simon A Tribe Called Quest Dionne Warwick It won’t happen but I’m really hoping Fela Kuti and A Tribe Called Quest pulls through this time 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salmon Mousse 473 Posted February 2, 2022 12 minutes ago, Joey Russ said: Well, it’s that time of year where we shit on the rock and roll hall of fame’s nominees. Here’s the list this time: Beck Pat Benatar Kate Bush DEVO Duran Duran Eminem Eurythmics Judas Priest Fela Kuti MC5 New York Dolls Dolly Parton Rage Against The Machine Lionel Richie Carly Simon A Tribe Called Quest Dionne Warwick It won’t happen but I’m really hoping Fela Kuti and A Tribe Called Quest pulls through this time I see a rapper, a country/pop legend, a couple other pop acts, and a pile of mediocre/niche acts. I have no idea what Fela Kuti or A Tribe Called Quest are. I it were truly a rock hall, and not the colossal pile of shit it actually is, the only real choices, from this list, would be Pat Benatar, MC5, and possibly Judas Priest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,605 Posted February 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joey Russ said: Well, it’s that time of year where we shit on the rock and roll hall of fame’s nominees. Here’s the list this time: Beck Pat Benatar Kate Bush DEVO Duran Duran Eminem Eurythmics Judas Priest Fela Kuti MC5 New York Dolls Dolly Parton Rage Against The Machine Lionel Richie Carly Simon A Tribe Called Quest Dionne Warwick It won’t happen but I’m really hoping Fela Kuti and A Tribe Called Quest pulls through this time Kate Bush, The eurythmics, Rage Against The Machine and Dolly Parton Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,571 Posted February 2, 2022 I mean, again, it depends on what we're calling the actual metrics of induction on. Fame? "Importance"? How good they were? I'd like to see Benatar inducted, she's been kind of whitewashed a bit from pop history but she was the first queen of MTV, long before Lauper and Madonna. MC5, NYD and RATM are all meme bands. Devo probably should be in as they've stood the test of time from a cultural standpoint, but then we'd have reams of thinkpieces about "Mongoloid" in the music press. Would induct Eminem if the only thing he ever recorded was "Just Don't Give A Fuck," but unfortunately he went on to have a 24-year career after that wherein he produced no other good or remotely listenable songs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted February 2, 2022 People bitch about the Madonnas and Run DMCs of the world getting into the RRHOF. After Todd Rundgren - yes that Todd Rundgren with no albums higher than #33 or singles higher than #66 on the Billboard charts - got in last year, I couldn’t have less interest. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,571 Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sir Creep said: People bitch about the Madonnas and Run DMCs of the world getting into the RRHOF. After Todd Rundgren - yes that Todd Rundgren with no albums higher than #33 or singles higher than #66 on the Billboard charts - got in last year, I couldn’t have less interest. We've been over this before though - if you're just going to judge it like that, then the HoF should just be decided solely on album sales. Put The Beatles, Fleetwood Mac and Michael Jackson in it and tell everyone else to fuck off. You have to have some allowance unless you want to argue that the Velvet Underground have less right to be in it than, idk, Four Non Blondes. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,499 Posted February 2, 2022 Still no Iron Maiden. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,571 Posted February 2, 2022 Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted February 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: We've been over this before though - if you're just going to judge it like that, then the HoF should just be decided solely on album sales. Put The Beatles, Fleetwood Mac and Michael Jackson in it and tell everyone else to fuck off. You have to have some allowance unless you want to argue that the Velvet Underground have less right to be in it than, idk, Four Non Blondes. Except record sales are only one metric used in Billboard charts. Airplay, etc. How about Grammy awards? Rundgren won one in 1985, twenty years into this stellar career, for BEST VIDEO (ie not the music). Talk about them doing all they could for lifetime achievement glad-handing. Underground/Indy etc have charts that compare apples to apples (dance charts, college charts, etc), so the MJ thing is a red herring. If we went over this before, it would appear no minds were changed lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RIP Wee Jum 1,559 Posted February 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder The Warren Zevon eponymous album is outstanding Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joey Russ 7,244 Posted February 2, 2022 4 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder Well as long as Jann Wenner is still alive the Monkees will never get nominated but I think we all knew that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,499 Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder They're waiting for Ry Cooder to sing their eulogy. And while a lot of this discussion is obviously personal taste/opinion, DICK DALE not being in the HOF is practically a crime. Most of their inductees wouldn't exist without him! 3 minutes ago, RIP Wee Jum said: The Warren Zevon eponymous album is outstanding Zevon is fantastic. If you have the sense of humour to post on this forum and haven't heard Warren Zevon's albums about dying, go find them now. They're brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,171 Posted February 2, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joey Russ said: Well as long as Jann Wenner is still alive the Monkees will never get nominated but I think we all knew that Yeah, I believe there's a similar problem with Zevon, but I can't remember who it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salmon Mousse 473 Posted February 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said: Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder Ahem, Jethro Tull. They never even get nominated... of course, the hall's loathing of prog is well known. It took forever for them to include Rush, Yes, and Genesis and that will probably be it from the genre. Despite being massively successful in their time I don't see Jethro Tull or ELP ever being nominated and a highly influential band, like King Crimson, won't even be thought of as an option. Of course, punk influencers (New York Dolls) can get nominated because they consider punk to be a valid genre somehow despite it being, almost by definition, talentless and unmusical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,415 Posted February 2, 2022 From that list, the one I was pleasantly surprised to see was Beck. I’ve long thought he’s deserved it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,571 Posted February 2, 2022 40 minutes ago, Toast said: Yeah, I believe there's a similar problem with Zevon, but I can't remember who it is. Wenner hated Zevon and banned him from Rolling Stone for a few years. Apparently there was some sort of backstage fracas when Warren was at the peak of his drinking... I mean, we can't all be as morally upright and with as few skeletons in the closet as Jann Wenner. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,499 Posted February 2, 2022 I'd never heard of this Jann Wenner before today but from the little reading since he sounds like a proper cunt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,605 Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Spade_Cooley said: Biggest omissions from the R&R HoF imho: The Monkees Warren Zevon War Dick Dale Ry Cooder I think they need to correct the Monkees issue whilst Mickey Dolenz is still alive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,221 Posted February 2, 2022 It's an overrated pile of old shit run by a closed shop of music industry 'experts' who pat themselves on the back at how clever and inclusive they are when they shoe horn crap into the nominations. You would, sort of hope that anyone who actually got inducted would tell the committee to fuck off in the same way that people have said 'no thank you' to titles in the New Year honours list. Not very Rock and Roll.. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 6,124 Posted February 2, 2022 FFS. Still no Sparks. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,221 Posted February 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Paul Bearer said: FFS. Still no Sparks. Tbf, they don't need a shitty induction to an old boys club to confirm their genius. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,614 Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said: It's an overrated pile of old shit run by a closed shop of music industry 'experts' who pat themselves on the back at how clever and inclusive they are when they shoe horn crap into the nominations. You would, sort of hope that anyone who actually got inducted would tell the committee to fuck off in the same way that people have said 'no thank you' to titles in the New Year honours list. Not very Rock and Roll.. The artists permission is not needed. The sex pistols did that but it still went ahead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,221 Posted February 2, 2022 36 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: The artists permission is not needed. The sex pistols did that but it still went ahead. Not really the point, is it. The Sex Pistols thought it was a pile of old wank and the fact that they were put in there anyway doesn't change it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
