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Well sent in a team, I guess I will see how a newbie does on the rejections.  It seems this pool is a bit on the picky side

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Back in. 4 rejections, all subbed. One was a surprise, another sad (who I wont name as DDP vultures circle overhead). 

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Three rejections. I could have predicted two, the third one suprised me a bit.

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Submitted my team late last night. Decided to do less self-censoring this time around. Still a bit surprised with ten rejections, then one more with the replacement picks. Will reveal the rejections come the new year.

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Submitted my team. Think this is first time submitting for this pool.

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1 hour ago, ladyfiona said:

Submitted my team. Think this is first time submitting for this pool.

 

Less than an hour after emailing my team Jimmy Carter dies. Also got email back with 8 rejections, lol. Right...lets try again.

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Sent a team for the first time, got 11 rejections but all of my subs were accepted. 

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He knocked back Theo Burrell again and I challenged him on it.  This is his reply.

 

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I'm familiar with Antiques Roadshow; you don't need to explain it to me. Theo Burrell doesn't get an obit because she's an occasional guest expert on a TV show with many guest experts on many subjects; she gets an obit because she's relatively young and has a terminal illness, and she's not a "household name" with or without that. There are thousands of Theo Burrells on thousands of TV shows around the world (and many of them, unlike Theo Burrell, were also well known or successful enough in their field to be talked about or written about in major news media before they became terminally ill). I think the bar for fame/notability for this pool is higher than that.

 

"She's relatively young and has a terminal illness" - isn't the aim of the game finding such candidates? Especially when points decrease with age.

Who is he to say why (not whether) someone will get a QO?

I think he's too fussy and has no clue how people are regarded in other countries.   Haven't forgotten him rejecting the Duchess of Kent.

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I got 8 rejections in the first round, and three in the second round + replacement for Jorge Lanata.

 

I kind of get him - he approaches it in a way that he thinks, "would this person get an obit after their career in their 80s", i.e. will the person be "always famous".

HOWEVER, sometimes it's still inexplicable, like he rejected Crown Princess Katherine of Serbia (though, to be fair, she's the 2nd wife, and it's not an active monarchy).

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I got 4 rejections. One of them was my fault with missing he was dead already.  He did mention a few of my picks he was going to let pass and see what happens but he was unsure if they would get an obit.  He did not say who they were. I guess it will be live and learn if some of them happen to die and they don't get an obit.  Oh well it is my first year at this one so I am not taking it overly seriously if that happens and I miss points. I won't be throwing a fit over it.

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First year participating and I had two rejections. The other was Jayapataka (I don't understand why, but he seems to hsve been rejected during previous years reading this thread) the other was SPUSA Walt Brown which was a dumb selection from me in the first place. 

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2 hours ago, Toast said:

He knocked back Theo Burrell again and I challenged him on it.  This is his reply.

 

 

"She's relatively young and has a terminal illness" - isn't the aim of the game finding such candidates? Especially when points decrease with age.

Who is he to say why (not whether) someone will get a QO?

I think he's too fussy and has no clue how people are regarded in other countries.   Haven't forgotten him rejecting the Duchess of Kent.

Theo Burrell will get a QO easily from every major news site in the UK and would do so even if she died having kept her cancer a secret or died suddenly of a heart attack or stroke.

 

Rejecting the Duchess of Kent .That's madness.

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1 minute ago, Sean said:

Rejecting the Duchess of Kent .That's madness.

I believe that was an accident and he reached out to Toast saying he was wrong in rejecting her 

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26 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

I believe that was an accident and he reached out to Toast saying he was wrong in rejecting her 

 

Only after I explained who she was, and referred him to Wimbledon.   I think he thought she was just some minor aristocrat and didn't bother to look her up.

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Not to say he’s right because he rejected various picks of mine over the years whom I thought were famous enough but I think I get where he’s coming from. It’s just the same rule which prevents us from choosing wop for example : celebrities mustn’t be famous only for the reason they’ll die soon (age or illnesswise) or because they died prematurely, you do have to earn it while you’re alive. Sometimes the criteria for determining what famous is are too subjectives and depends on a various of biases. I’m not specifically talking about Theo Burell here, but I think that by making such lists, we’ve also downgraded our definition of celebrity.

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As promised, here are the ten rejected picks from my initial 2025 AO Deadpool list:

 

Brian Dayett

Archie Goodburn

Krista Guloien

Nicholas Monson

Miguel Pinera

Mary Schmucker

Nazeeh Tarsha

Linda Tirado

Geoffrey Woodcroft

Loida Zabala

 

From the substitute picks, one more rejection:

 

Joe Thompson

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My rejects were Dick Whittington actor and disc jockey  Ted Grossman actor (man eaten by Jaws in the row boat)  Michael Elsworth Actor was in (Lord of the Rings movie)

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Mika Immonen (pretty sure they were rejected last year but couldnt recall)
Jonathan Clements
Brian Dayett
Gary Gilmore
Toni Hilland
Osamu Nishimura
Linda Tirado
Isabel Veloso
Xie Jinshi

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Slightly surprised at Dayett being rejected since he’s usually pretty good with accepting somewhat obscure American athletes.

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Here is my list for 2025! 

1. Atkins, Ronnie (Danish Singer: Pretty Maids)
2. Brokaw, Tom (American News Presenter)
3. Scales, Prunella (British Entertainer)(replaced a disqualified pick)
4. Buzzi, Ruth (US Actress)
5. King, Don (American Boxing Promoter)(replaced Jimmy Carter)
6. Castro, Raul (Cuban Revolutionary)
7. Chamarro, Violetta (Nicaragua’s First female president) 
8. Chomsky, Noam (Philosopher, Professor)
9. Faithful, Marianne (English Singer & Actress)
10. Flack, Roberta (Singer)
11. Fritzl, Josef (Rapist, Kidnapper)
12. Gilbert, Rhod (Welsh Comedian & presenter)
13. Hanna, Jack (Celebrity Animal trainer)
14. Jensen, Erik (American Actor)
15. Jeremy, Ron (US Porn Star & Rapist)
16. Keltie, Kate (Australian Actress)
17. Kilmer, Val (US Actor)
18. Le Pen, Jean-Marie (French Politician)
19. Lee, Jeanette (Champion Pool Player)
20. Connolly, Billy (British Actor) (replaced disqualified pick)
21. McMichael, Steve (Mango) (American professional Football player — not soccer)
22. Niell, Sam (New Zealand Actor)
23. Nolan, Linda (UK Singer)
24. Ono, Yoko (Japanese performance artist)
25. Pope Francis (Head of Catholic Church)
26. Lundgren, Dolph (Swedish Actor) (replaced disqualified pick)
27. Rantzen, Esther (English Journalist, Television Presenter)
28. Rea, Chris (English Singer & Gitarist)
29. Rollins, Sonny (US Jazz Saxophonist)
30. Starmer-Smith, Nigel (English rugby player)
31. Taylor, Andy (English Gitartist Duran Duran)
32. Tebbit, Norman (British Politician)
33. Thompson, Jack (Australian Actor, The Man from Snowy River)
34. Tilson-Thomas, Michael (American Conductor)
35. Walesa, Lech (Polish President, Union Leader)
36. P. Diddy/Sean Combs (US Musician) (replaced Johnnie Walker)
37. Weistein, Harvey (American Rapist, Hollywood Producer, Me Too!)
38. Whale, James (British Radio Presenter)
39. Willis, Bruce (US Actor)
40. Woodward, Joanne (US Actress)

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My AOP 2025-List:

 

 

Alex Katz 

Alex Zanardi 

Anita Kupsch 

Black Bart 

Bruce Willis 

Claude Jarman Jr. 

Daniel Bisogno 

Edmund White 

Eleonora Giorgi 

Emily Willis 

Estelle Parsons 

Esther Rantzen 

Georg Koch 

Harvey Weinstein 

James Whale 

John Ashton 

John Kander 

José Mujica 

King Charles III 

Linda Nolan 

Marianne Faithfull 

Michael Tilson Thomas 

Mitch McConnell 

Nate Robinson 

Niels Olsen 

Nigel Latta 

Nigel McCrery 

Nigel Starmer-Smith 

Oliviero Toscani 

Peter Yarrow 

Randy Moss 

Renee Taylor 

Rita Süssmuth

Rob Bolland 

Roberta Flack 

Ronnie Atkins

Ryne Sandberg 

Sophie Kinsella 

Steve McMichael 

Wendy Williams 

 

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my List

1.Neile Adams

2.Barbra Bain

3.Joe Don Baker

4.Tom Baker

5.Richard Beymer

6.Claire Bloom

7.Ellen Burstyn

8.Leslie Caron

9.Lee Carso

10.George Chakiris

11.Richard Chamberlain

12.Dominic Chianese

13.Pat Crowley

14/Kenneth Copeland

15.Neil Diamond

16.John Erwin

17.Edward Faulkner

18.Shelia Hancock

19.Gerold Harper

20.Engelbert Humperdink

21.Victoria Jackson

22.Shirley Jones

23.Jackie Joseph

24.Anthony Kennedy

25.Sandy Koufax

26.Diane Ladd

27. Richard Lester Liebman

28.Marco Lopez

29.Monte Markham

30.Terry Moore

31.Nanette Newman

32.Bud Selig

33.Mike Stoller

34.Jimmy Swaggart

35.Russ Tamblyn

36.June Watson

37.Ann Wilson

38.Mary Louise Wilson

39.Joanne Worley

40.Michael York

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1. Advani, Lal Krishna (Indian Vice President)
2. Aga Khan, Prince Karim (Ismaili Muslim prophet)
3. Aldrin, Buzz (Astronaut)
4. Boone, Pat (Singer and actor)
5. Campbell, Ben Nighthorse (US Senator)
6. Chamorro, Violeta (former Nicaraguan President)
7. Davis, William Bruce (X-Files actor)
8. Gehry, Frank (Architect)

9. Ghali, Brahim (Sahrawi President - replacement)

10. John, Tommy (MLB pitcher - replacement)
11. Layden, Frank (Utah Jazz basketball coach)
12. MacDonald, Peter (former Navajo Nation Chairman)
13. MacLaine, Shirley (Actress)
14. Miwa, Akihiro (Japanese actor)

15. Mouskouri, Nana (Greek singer and politician - Carter replacement)
16. Murdoch, Rupert (News Corp head)
17. Nyerere, Maria (Tanzanian First Lady)
18. Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Teodoro (President of Equatorial Guinea)
19. Oredsson, Vera (Nordic countries neo-nazi leader)
20. Pahlavi, Farah (former Empress of Iran)
21. Pastore, Vincent (Sopranos actor)
22. Plyukfelder, Rudolf (Soviet olympic weightlifter champion)
23. Prokhanov, Alexander (Russian far-right writer)
24. Riady, Mochtar (Indonesian billionaire, Lippo Group founder)
25. Scales, Prunella (Actress)
26. Sokomanu, Ati George (Founding President of Vanuatu)
27. Spassky, Boris (Chess Grandmaster)
28. Valli, Frankie (Singer)
29. Van Dyke, Dick (Actor and TV Presenter)
30. Virata, Cesar (former Filipino Prime Minister)
31. Volynov, Boris (Soviet cosmonaut)
32. Väyrynen, Paavo (Finnish politician)
33. Wamala, Emmanuel (Ugandan cardinal)
34. Wang, Huo (Chinese novelist)
35. Watson, James (Nobel-winning biologist)
36. Wepner, Chuck (Boxer)
37. Wilson, Richard (British Actor)
38. Wyatt, Oscar (US Businessman)
39. Yamada, Yoji (Japanese film director)
40. Kim Yong-nam (North Korean politician)

 

I am a bit suprised Oredsson and Huo were accepted while Jayapataka was rejected.

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My rejections:

Jack-Tommy Ardenfors

Diệp Tuyết Anh

Bill Atkinson

Nick Gandon

Kerry Goode

Howard Andrew Jones

Ayumu Saito

Joe Thompson

Crown Princess Katherine of Serbia

Victoria Brownworth?

Maria Kang?

 

Too bad he didn't allow Bill Atkinson, Ayumu Saito or Joe Thompson. I can only really understand Ardenfors, Tuyet Anh, Gandon, Jones, Brownworth and Kang.

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