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No article with a date of death, no points. The rules are clear.

 

I would suggest combining an article with a BMD record is outside the rules.

 

Seems very straightforward to me.

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2 minutes ago, Grim Up North said:

No article with a date of death, no points. The rules are clear.

 

I would suggest combining an article with a BMD record is outside the rules.

  

Seems very straightforward to me.

 

It would be a leniency of the rules, I admit. However we know she died in September and it would be easier to address the exact date now in the process of awarding points than potentially go back and rectify the points at a later date should the exact date find it's way into a newspaper between now and the new year .

 

I certainly would think it could be argued "within the spirit" if not the exacting wording of the rules to at least award points to the 1st September, however I'm opening it up to the floor to see if their is appetite for simply not awarding any points because there's no date or any third solution.

 

The rules were drafted in a way that sought to take account of every eventuality and be fair towards players in those eventualities, sadly nothing is utterly infallible and this seems to be a discovered fallibility.  

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For now this post will serve has an official update. Give it a few more days for a date to arrive on Bracknell before adding her points in only to have to amend them if it emerges.

 

All teams up to date (excluding Leah Bracknell).

 

FixedBussiness (10 hits) - 2089 points [Fernando Rickensen, Bart Starr,  Dave Bartholomew, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Jacques Chirac, Jim Leavelle, John Cocks, Johnny Clogg, Valerie Harper]

 

John Key (12 hits) - 1941 points [Andrew McGahon, Beth Chapman, Bishop Frances Quinn, Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Jose Jose, Kathleen Blanco, Lee Duc Anh, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami]

 

the_engineer (8 hits) - 1929 points [Fernando Ricksen, I.M Pie, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Jose Jose, Kieth Cass, Robert Mugabe, Tim Conway]

 

Joey Russ (10 hits) - 1760 points [Tim Conway, Bart Starr,  Fernando Ricksen, Hal Blaine, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Masoa Nonaka, Robert Mugabe, T Boone Pickens, Valerie Harper)

 

The Unknown Man (7 hits) - 1781 points [Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Valerie Harper]

 

Sir Creep (11 hits) - 1536 points [Fred Rister, Andrew McGahon, Beth Chapman, David Powlinson, Fatima Ali, Jean Price, Jeff Blackshear, Kathleen Blanco, Manohar Parika, Masao Nonaka, Paul Dewar]

 

The Mad Hatter (9 hits) - 1519 [Bart Starr, Herman Wouk, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Lee Duc Anh, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway]

 

charon (10 hits) - 1513 [Andrew Fairlie, Beth Chapman, Bob Hawke, Fernando Ricksen, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Kathleen Blanco, Peter Tork, Robin Herd, Steffan Lewis]

 

GraveDanger (6 hits) 1499 points [Ferando Ricksen, Bob Hawke, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Judith Kerr, Robert Mugabe]

 

Torva Messor (9 hits) - 1494 points [Paul Dewar, Fernando Ricksen, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Julie Gibson, Peter Tork, Steffan Lewis, Tim Conway, Valerie Harper]

 

Grim Up North - (10 hits) 1493 points [ Andrew Fairlie, Bill Heine, Fernando Ricksen, Fred Rister, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Kathleen Blanco, Steffan Lewis, Tommy Donbavond]

 

Capatain Chorizo - (11 hits) - 1343 points [Lessie Brown, Andrew Fairlie, Fatima Ali, Fernando Ricksen, Fred Rister, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Kathleen Blanco, Leonard Casley, Richard Erdman, Tim Conway]

 

Drol (12 hits) 1311 points [Andrew Fairlie, Beth Chapman, Bill Heine, Bob Hawke, Ferando Ricksen, Gerard Bassett, John Cocks, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Lee Duc Anh, Manohar Parrikar, Steffan Lewis]

 

Toast (5 hits) 1014 points [Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Irene Sutcliffe, John McCririck, Peter Tork]

 

Clorox Bleachman (8 hits) 974 points [Bob Hawke, Fatima Ali, Gerard Bassett, Herman Wouk, Kathleen Blanco, Mario Guiseppe, Masazo Nonaka, Robert Mugabe]

 

ebless - (5 hits) 941 points - [Harley Race, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Rosamunde Pilcher, Valerie Harper]

 

markb4 (5 hits) 904 points [Grand Duke Jean, Herman Wouk, Julie Gibson, Robert Mugabe, Tim Conway]

 

Prophet (7 hits) 891 points [Ferando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Johnny Clegg, Lee Duc Anh, Paul Dewar, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway]

 

theoldlady - (7 hits) - 867 points [Tim Conway, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Lee Duc Anh, Peter Tork, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami]

 

gcrepritile  (9 hits) 826 points [Andy Anderson, Barbara Hammer, David Powlinson, Dennis Richardson, Fatima Ali, Manohar Parrika, Max Van Weezel, Paul Dewar, Robert Mugabe]

 

Banana (9 hits) - 755 points [Fatima Ali, Andrew McGahon, Bill Heine, Gerard Bassett, Jimmy Spicer, Lee Duc Anh, Paul Dewar, Shivakumari Swami, Spencer Bohren]

 

An Fear Bag (6 hits) - 752 points [Bob Hawke, Grace Catherine-Jones, Kathleen Blanco, Kevin Roche, Philomena Lynott, Steffan Lewis]

 

msc (6 hits) - 749 points [Diana Athil, Franco Zeffereli, Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg, Ivor Broadis, Judith Kerr, Robert Mugabe]

 

Wormfarmer (7 hits) - 722 points [Beth Chapman. Col Richard Cole, Fatima Ali, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway]

 

Phantom of the Midway - (6 hits) - 687 points [Johnny Clegg, Andrew Fairlie, John Cocks, John McCrick, Jordan Dawes, Kevin J McIntyre]

 

The Old Crem (4 hits) - 612 points [Doris Day, John McCririck, Paul Flynn, Robert Mugabe]

 

Predictor (3 hits) - 551 points [Edwin Kosik, Leon Redbone, Nicolas Leoz]

 

JoeMoneyPenny (3 hits) - 540 points [Bob Hawke, Fernando Ricksen, Prem Tinsulandola]

 

Pedro67 (4 hits) - 500 points [Babiker Awadalla, Granville Coggs, Johnny Clegg, Philomena Lynott]

 

QTips (5 hits) - 489 points [Bob Hawkes, Doris Day, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Rosamund Pilcher] 

 

YoungWillz (3 hits) - 478 points [Glynn Houston, Paul Darrow, Stephen Thorne]

 

Skinny KiltRunner (2 hits) - 436 points [Beth Chapman, Fernando Ricksen]

 

YorkshireBanker (5 hits) - 433 points [Fernando Ricksen, Gerard Bassett, Lessie Brown, Muriel Pavlov, Tim Conway]

 

WidowsPeak (3 hits) - 395 points [Diana Athil, Doris Day, Valerie Harper]

 

nantonian2019 (3 hits) - 390 hits [Steffan Lewis, Doris Day, Robert Mugabe]

 

Great Uncle Bulgaria (2 hits) 323 points [Herman Wouk, Peter Tork]

 

Death Impends (3 hits) - 299 points [Lee Duc Anh, Milton Quon, Shivakumari Swami,]

 

Whoaml (3 hits) - 285 points [Bob Hawke, Carol Channing, Herman Wouk]

 

Doulton (3 hits) - 282 points [Carol Channing, Doris Day, Herman Wouk]

 

Deathray (1 hit) - 136 points [Herman Wouk]

 

Bibliogryphon (1 hit) - 34 points [Sylvia Kay]

 

Book (1 hit) - 144 points [Claus Von Bulow]

 

mysteriousmummy 0 points

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1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

I certainly would think it could be argued "within the spirit" if not the exacting wording of the rules to at least award points to the 1st September, however I'm opening it up to the floor to see if their is appetite for simply not awarding any points because there's no date or any third solution.

 

I think I would award points based on 1st September, then add points if/when a date is confirmed before the end of the year.

We know she died, and that she died in September, so it would seem unfair not to award anything.

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How about 15th September?  That way we'll be a maximum of 15 points out.  Whereas 1st September we could be upto 29 points out. 

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1 hour ago, the_engineer said:

How about 15th September?  That way we'll be a maximum of 15 points out.  Whereas 1st September we could be upto 29 points out. 

 

My thinking was that it's better to add points than to take them away when the date emerges, which it probably will.

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10 hours ago, Toast said:

 

My thinking was that it's better to add points than to take them away when the date emerges, which it probably will.

 

Yea never thought of that. That's easier for Kinnock. 

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If you had the decency to enter at a reasonable day in December, perhaps in the days immediately before or after Christmas your up to date score is probably in the update above.

 

Johnnny come lately's and those who suffered PM abuse from yours truly for 31st December entries will be added in due course. Please save your nitpicking for the official update, which will include any points due for Bracknell.

 

It seems most people are happy with 1st September being used for Bracknell, so will be doing points up to that date. Any additional owing to be added if/when a date emerges.

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@Kinnock missing josejose points for myself.  But I understand you're still in progress updating the teams. 

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16 minutes ago, the_engineer said:

@Kinnock missing josejose points for myself.  But I understand you're still in progress updating the teams. 

 

Jumping the gun by roughly 15 minutes there pal. (Read the post above yours)

 

The list above should be up to date with the exception of Leah Bracknell points.

 

I declare the official nitpicking period open.  Heya @Joey Russ and @Sir Creep

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On 17/10/2019 at 13:43, Kinnock said:

 

 

markb4 (5 hits) 904 points [Grand Duke Jean, Herman Wouk, Julie Gibson, Robert Mugabe, Tim Conway]

 

 

I think that should be 903 points only.

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Important Decision on 'Leah Bracknell' Rule (Democracy appears to be effective on Deathlist, unlike in parliament)

 

TLDR: Leah Bracknell is worth 243 points that will be added 'soon'.

 

Codification in the initial post of the new 'Leah Bracknell' rule, swelling the rules to an ever more substantial size. Copying the amended text here.

 

  • For the purposes of determining the date of death of a celebrity the information to hand will be used to determine the points allocated to the competitors who chose the person. In the event that an exact date is available (for the avoidance of doubt journalistic nuisance phrases 'on Wednesday, or last night/yesterday' will count as dates of death, with the date being determined by the tedious process of working it out - this is how this has always operated on these rare instances) , full points will be awarded. In the event that only the month of death is in the obituary, points will be awarded to the first date of the month (i.e Sep 1st for in September) that has been given ('the Leah Bracknell' rule) if a date is subsequently given in press before the closure of the competition window the remaining points will be added to the total. In the very unfortunate event that only the year of death is provided in the qualifying obituary the poor bastard who picked them will be awarded points to the first day of the year that is given (in the unlikely event that game year is still active). 

 

For ease of identification bullets in the rules list have been replaced with numeric identifiers, to make reference for discussion easier. The above is now Rule 5.

With this in mind any future additions regardless of which other rule they sub-relate to will be added to the end, i.e Rule 17, Rule 18 so rule numbers remain consistent, they may also be added as subsets such as a) b) c) but only if the entire rules list is revised to conform to that, which I have no intention of doing in the near future.. 

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22 teams - around half of the entrants - had Bracknell. It leaves things as stands:

 

All teams up to date (excluding Leah Bracknell). Wildcard hit for drol and An Fear Beg, shooting them up leaderboard. 

 

New leader in John Key.

 

John Key (13 hits) - 2184 points [Andrew McGahon, Beth Chapman, Bishop Frances Quinn, Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Jose Jose, Kathleen Blanco, Lee Duc Anh, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami, Leah Bracknell]

 

the_engineer (10 hits) - 2172  points [Fernando Ricksen, I.M Pie, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Jose Jose, Kieth Cass, Robert Mugabe, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

FixedBussiness (10 hits) - 2089 points [Fernando Rickensen, Bart Starr,  Dave Bartholomew, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Jacques Chirac, Jim Leavelle, John Cocks, Johnny Clogg, Valerie Harper]

 

The Unknown Man (8 hits) - 1962 points [Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Valerie Harper, Leah Bracknell]

 

Drol (12 hits) 1797 points [Leah Bracknell, Andrew Fairlie, Beth Chapman, Bill Heine, Bob Hawke, Ferando Ricksen, Gerard Bassett, John Cocks, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Lee Duc Anh, Manohar Parrikar, Steffan Lewis,]

 

Joey Russ (10 hits) - 1760 points [Tim Conway, Bart Starr,  Fernando Ricksen, Hal Blaine, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Masoa Nonaka, Robert Mugabe, T Boone Pickens, Valerie Harper)

 

The Mad Hatter (10 hits) - 1759 [Bart Starr, Herman Wouk, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Lee Duc Anh, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

GraveDanger (7 hits) 1742 points [Ferando Ricksen, Bob Hawke, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Judith Kerr, Robert Mugabe, Leah Bracknell]

 

Torva Messor (9 hits) - 1737 points [Paul Dewar, Fernando Ricksen, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Julie Gibson, Peter Tork, Steffan Lewis, Tim Conway, Valerie Harper]

 

Grim Up North - (10 hits) 1736 points [ Andrew Fairlie, Bill Heine, Fernando Ricksen, Fred Rister, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Johnny Clegg, Kathleen Blanco, Steffan Lewis, Tommy Donbavond, Leah Bracknell]

 

Capatain Chorizo - (12 hits) - 1586 points [Lessie Brown, Andrew Fairlie, Fatima Ali, Fernando Ricksen, Fred Rister, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Kathleen Blanco, Leonard Casley, Richard Erdman, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

Sir Creep (11 hits) - 1536 points [Fred Rister, Andrew McGahon, Beth Chapman, David Powlinson, Fatima Ali, Jean Price, Jeff Blackshear, Kathleen Blanco, Manohar Parika, Masao Nonaka, Paul Dewar]

 

charon (10 hits) - 1513 [Andrew Fairlie, Beth Chapman, Bob Hawke, Fernando Ricksen, John McCririck, Jose Jose, Kathleen Blanco, Peter Tork, Robin Herd, Steffan Lewis]

 

An Fear Bag (7 hits) 1238 points [Bob Hawke, Grace Catherine-Jones, Kathleen Blanco, Kevin Roche, Philomena Lynott, Steffan Lewis, Leah Bracknell]

 

ebless - (6 hits) 1184 points - [Harley Race, Jacques Chirac, John McCririck, Rosamunde Pilcher, Valerie Harper. Leah Bracknell]

 

markb4 (6 hits) 1146 points [Grand Duke Jean, Herman Wouk, Julie Gibson, Robert Mugabe, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

Prophet (8 hits) 1134 points [Ferando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Johnny Clegg, Lee Duc Anh, Paul Dewar, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

theoldlady - (8 hits) - 1110 points [Tim Conway, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Lee Duc Anh, Peter Tork, Robert Mugabe, Shivakumari Swami, Leah Bracknell]

 

Toast (5 hits) 1014 points [Fernando Ricksen, Herman Wouk, Irene Sutcliffe, John McCririck, Peter Tork]

 

Clorox Bleachman (8 hits) 974 points [Bob Hawke, Fatima Ali, Gerard Bassett, Herman Wouk, Kathleen Blanco, Mario Guiseppe, Masazo Nonaka, Robert Mugabe]

 

gcrepritile  (10 hits) 967 points [Andy Anderson, Barbara Hammer, David Powlinson, Dennis Richardson, Fatima Ali, Manohar Parrika, Max Van Weezel, Paul Dewar, Robert Mugabe, Caroline Robinson]

 

Wormfarmer (8 hits) - 965 points [Beth Chapman. Col Richard Cole, Fatima Ali, Herman Wouk, I.M Pie, Shivakumari Swami, Tim Conway, Leah Bracknell]

 

Phantom of the Midway - (6 hits) - 930 points [Johnny Clegg, Andrew Fairlie, John Cocks, John McCrick, Jordan Dawes, Kevin J McIntyre, Leah Bracknell]

 

The Old Crem (5 hits) - 855 points [Doris Day, John McCririck, Paul Flynn, Robert Mugabe, Leah Bracknell]

 

Banana (9 hits) - 755 points [Fatima Ali, Andrew McGahon, Bill Heine, Gerard Bassett, Jimmy Spicer, Lee Duc Anh, Paul Dewar, Shivakumari Swami, Spencer Bohren]

 

msc (6 hits) - 749 points [Diana Athil, Franco Zeffereli, Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg, Ivor Broadis, Judith Kerr, Robert Mugabe]

 

QTips (5 hits) - 732 points [Bob Hawkes, Doris Day, Herman Wouk, John McCririck, Rosamund Pilcher, Leah Bracknell] 

 

Skinny KiltRunner (3 hits) - 679 points [Beth Chapman, Fernando Ricksen, Leah Bracknell]

 

WidowsPeak (4 hits) - 638 points [Diana Athil, Doris Day, Valerie Harper, Leah Bracknell]

 

Great Uncle Bulgaria (3 hits)  566 points [Herman Wouk, Peter Tork, Leah Bracknell]

 

Predictor (3 hits) - 551 points [Edwin Kosik, Leon Redbone, Nicolas Leoz]

 

JoeMoneyPenny (3 hits) - 540 points [Bob Hawke, Fernando Ricksen, Prem Tinsulandola]

 

Death Impends (3 hits) - 539 points [Lee Duc Anh, Milton Quon, Shivakumari Swami, Jim Leavelle]

 

Pedro67 (4 hits) - 500 points [Babiker Awadalla, Granville Coggs, Johnny Clegg, Philomena Lynott]

 

YoungWillz (3 hits) - 478 points [Glynn Houston, Paul Darrow, Stephen Thorne]

 

YorkshireBanker (5 hits) - 433 points [Fernando Ricksen, Gerard Bassett, Lessie Brown, Muriel Pavlov, Tim Conway]

 

nantonian2019 (3 hits) - 390 hits [Steffan Lewis, Doris Day, Robert Mugabe]

 

Whoaml (3 hits) - 285 points [Bob Hawke, Carol Channing, Herman Wouk]

 

Doulton (3 hits) - 282 points [Carol Channing, Doris Day, Herman Wouk]

 

Deathray (1 hit) - 136 points [Herman Wouk]

 

Bibliogryphon (1 hit) - 34 points [Sylvia Kay]

 

Book (1 hit) - 144 points [Claus Von Bulow]

 

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Good work, though it looks like I still need points for Jim Leavelle.

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Cheers for the update and new rule, interesting. Didn't expect to have a 1st until the Brackers points were added. Congrats John Key for upping me there :)

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Hello Deathray, thanks for the update!

 

Did you consider my obit for Dave Agosti?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/toledoblade/obituary.aspx?n=david-agosti&pid=192119440&fhid=27574

 

It's legacy.com, but it does point towards the Toledo Blade.

 

Also, there was Caroline Robinson:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/112914720/palmerston-norths-town-crier-caroline-robinson-dies-of-cancer

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8 minutes ago, gcreptile said:

Hello Deathray, thanks for the update!

 

Did you consider my obit for Dave Agosti?

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/toledoblade/obituary.aspx?n=david-agosti&pid=192119440&fhid=27574

 

It's legacy.com, but it does point towards the Toledo Blade.

  

 Also, there was Caroline Robinson:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/112914720/palmerston-norths-town-crier-caroline-robinson-dies-of-cancer

 

On Dave Agosti, I need an actual article from the Toledo Blade or anything else that's an actual news source under the rules and I'm afraid I can't see how that points to one? (wayback machine/a scan will be accepted).

 

Regards Caroline Robinson, I'll accept that (thought I'd award them to be honest).

 

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Missing points for Jose Jose

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I scored with Maude actor Bill Macy. He died on October 17th.

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