the_engineer 1,415 Posted February 24, 2022 With Russia on the move to Kyiv will he do a Gaddafi or flee to Western Europe, possibly the UK? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,530 Posted February 24, 2022 Can he not go in the "Strictly...." thread being as he won the 2006 series of Ukraine's Dancing with the Stars? 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,605 Posted February 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, the_engineer said: With Russia on the move to Kyiv will he do a Gaddafi or flee to Western Europe, possibly the UK? Flee. Maybe to the Uk but Brussels is another possibility due it being NATO’s HQ. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DCI Frank Burnside 3,887 Posted February 24, 2022 Poland a possibility leading a government in exile perhaps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,329 Posted February 24, 2022 3 hours ago, the_engineer said: With Russia on the move to Kyiv will he do a Gaddafi or flee to Western Europe, possibly the UK? Nah he won't flee I doubt.I get the sense he will go on until he is arrested killed or both. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,605 Posted February 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sean said: Nah he won't flee I doubt.I get the sense he will go on until he is arrested killed or both. It was mentioned earlier today that Boris had offered London to him as a destination if he needed to flee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted February 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: It was mentioned earlier today that Boris had offered London to him as a destination if he needed to flee. Talk about being stuck between a rock and a hard place… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad252 807 Posted February 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: It was mentioned earlier today that Boris had offered London to him as a destination if he needed to flee. Considering all the Russian money believed to be in London property (earning it the nickname "Londongrad"), that's the last place a Ukrainian politician, let alone the President, should be fleeing to. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,976 Posted February 24, 2022 Where hasn't there been a suspicious death with Russian connections lately? The last one in Berlin was not so long ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 1,038 Posted February 24, 2022 Maybe depends how the Russians tackle Kyiv. A bunker buster would rob him of the opportunity for a heroic last stand. He does seem quite pugnacious. When you think about it, it is utterly surreal that a law graduate-cum-satirical TV comedian is in the position of leading their country through an existential war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,398 Posted February 24, 2022 13 minutes ago, prussianblue said: When you think about it, it is utterly surreal that a law graduate-cum-satirical TV comedian is in the position of leading their country through an existential war. When you think about it, the UK and the US had Humpty Numpty and a big orange turd off of The Apprentice leading them through a ghastly pandemic so Ukraine are comparably in safe hands 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,976 Posted February 25, 2022 Zelensky basically says that Russian kill squads are looking for him right now: https://www.businessinsider.com/zelensky-says-that-enemy-sabotage-groups-have-entered-kyiv-2022-2?utm_source=reddit.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted February 25, 2022 https://news.sky.com/story/ukrainian-president-says-russia-has-made-him-target-number-one-as-he-orders-mass-mobilisation-to-combat-invasion-12550676 He's still in Kyiv and the fighting has reached there. Something tells me he'll stay. Update from 45 mins ago. Who was the last European leader killed during office? Hitler? Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife? Though you could say they technically weren't in power anymore after being lined up against a wall and shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,976 Posted February 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, the_engineer said: Update from 45 mins ago. Who was the last European leader killed during office? Hitler? Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife? Though you could say they technically weren't in power anymore after being lined up against a wall and shot. Some say, the polish president Lech Kaczinski in the airplane crash. Wikipedia says that it's Vazgen Sargsyan, prime minister of Armenia assissated by a terrorist in 1999: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_state_and_government_who_died_in_office#2000–present Edit: Yeah, arghton is right, seems I was partially blind. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arghton 6,745 Posted February 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, the_engineer said: Update from 45 mins ago. Who was the last European leader killed during office? Hitler? Nicolae Ceaușescu and his wife? Though you could say they technically weren't in power anymore after being lined up against a wall and shot. Serbian PM Zoran Đinđić in March 2003? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Youth in Asia 1,087 Posted February 25, 2022 It's not that common but another one that springs to mind is Olof Palme, PM of Sweden, in 1986. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, arghton said: Serbian PM Zoran Đinđić in March 2003? Completely forgot about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted February 25, 2022 Could be last time EU leaders see Ukrainian president alive, he's said on a video call last night. Have to say if he pops up in London or France after this,then all this bluster will only harm his reputation and he'll look slightly foolish. If he dies it's probably the biggest political death in a long while ,let's just hope it doesn't lead to a bigger escalation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arghton 6,745 Posted February 25, 2022 https://www.newsweek.com/petro-poroshenko-ak47-ukraine-former-president-russia-vladimir-putin-1682639 Former President Petro Poroshenko poses with AK-47, vows to fight on the streets of Kyiv... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the_engineer 1,415 Posted February 25, 2022 Have to say of Zelensky is captured and brutally executed on camera do you think it could lead to Western intervention? He comes across as a nice guy and if he is beheaded ,flayed or burned alive ( russian army has done all these in the past) on camera I think the mood would change quickly. Russia aren't stupid though and I imagine he'd be captured, executed and his body taken to Russia and destroyed. We may never get a definitive answer if he's dead. Of course he might just flee and all this won't matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,605 Posted February 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, the_engineer said: Have to say of Zelensky is captured and brutally executed on camera do you think it could lead to Western intervention? He comes across as a nice guy and if he is beheaded ,flayed or burned alive ( russian army has done all these in the past) on camera I think the mood would change quickly. Russia aren't stupid though and I imagine he'd be captured, executed and his body taken to Russia and destroyed. We may never get a definitive answer if he's dead. Of course he might just flee and all this won't matter. I doubt it. The You Gov poll of British people taken yesterday shows military intervention is pretty unpopular and I can’t see that changing no matter how depraved Russia go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,643 Posted February 25, 2022 Unless fact – every President of Ukraine is still living so if Zelenskyy or Poroshenko die in action, they'll be creating a new club. Leonid Kravchuk (b. 1934) 1991–1994 Leonid Kuchma (b. 1938) 1994–2005 Viktor Yushchenko (b. 1954) 2005–2010 Viktor Yanukovych (b. 1950) 2010–2014 Oleksandr Turchynov (b. 1964) 2014 Petro Poroshenko (b. 1965) 2014–2019 Volodymyr Zelenskyy (b. 1978) 2019– 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,643 Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: I doubt it. The You Gov poll of British people taken yesterday shows military intervention is pretty unpopular and I can’t see that changing no matter how depraved Russia go Though 43 U.S. lawmakers (both Democrats and Republicans) have written to Biden requesting troops on the ground. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MortalCaso 1,629 Posted February 25, 2022 Russia has been committing war crimes via the civilian population throughout the country. Brutal. I watched a video earlier of a Russian armored vehicle going out of its way to run over a civilian car driving on the other side of the road. Crushed. Those that stay behind, government officials that is, will be killed. No doubt. Whether today or in a few years after being put into camps. It won't change the actions of the West, they are well aware that will happen. Why do you think the Ukrainian officials are willing to take up arms? They realize time is short for them....choosing to go out as heroes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arghton 6,745 Posted February 25, 2022 25 minutes ago, MortalCaso said: Those that stay behind, government officials that is, will be killed. No doubt. Whether today or in a few years after being put into camps. It won't change the actions of the West, they are well aware that will happen. Why do you think the Ukrainian officials are willing to take up arms? They realize time is short for them....choosing to go out as heroes. I'm not sure if they will stay behind. Afghanistani VP Amrullah "I will not flee or surrender under any circumstances" Saleh didn't. However if they do, godspeed. 35 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: Leonid Kravchuk (b. 1934) 1991–1994 He's currently recovering from a heart surgery he had in June 2021. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
