Sean 6,314 Posted July 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: What do we reckon Grant Shapps chances are? How much of a base does he have among tory mps? He was involved in a bullying scandal when running the Youth Wing of the Tories about 10 or so years ago. Well he has the least endorsements of any of the serious candidates so far. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,337 Posted July 10, 2022 @RoverAndOut @Sean Thanks for the info. I had forgotten about the tory youth bullying scandals. Why did he pretend to be someone else? Do we think he believes he hasn't got a chance but is angling for a big job in the next cabinet? I think Tom Tugendhat might be worth keeping an eye on. Apparently some very wealthy tory donors are keen on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,132 Posted July 10, 2022 Madder and more evil than Mad Nads. We should all be very afraid. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,746 Posted July 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Toast said: Madder and more evil than Mad Nads. We should all be very afraid. The "foreign court" she speaks of is part of the Council of Europe, a body independent of the EU and founded during the Second World War by none other than Tory poster boy Sir Winston Churchill. Apparently, Suella disagrees with Churchill. Braverman is truly awful: she's one of the small group of Brexiteers who voted against the May withdrawal bill on all 3 occasions - even Boris voted for it the third time. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,571 Posted July 11, 2022 Considering all the awful press about the various candidate flying about at the moment is it actually possible that Tom Tugendhat is actually Jim Hacker and becomes PM because everyone else it too awful 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,746 Posted July 11, 2022 What I would say is that history tells us the frontrunner rarely wins in Tory leadership contests, Boris in 2019 being very much the exception. At this point in the cycle, it was reasonable to expect Michael Heseltine to win in 1990, Ken Clarke to win in 97, Portillo to win in 2001, David Davis in 2005 and Boris in 2016. Heseltine fell foul of knifing Thatcher and also hubris for seeming overconfident after the first round, Clarke's pro-EU stance counted against him in the final reckoning, despite winning the first 2 rounds, as did a late deal he did with John Redwood trying to secure a majority which went down badly. Portillo was seen as the frontrunner but the party didn't agree with his reformist agenda, Davis gave an uninspiring conference speech compared to the other candidates and lost his advantage and we all know about the Johnson-Gove psychodrama of 2016 that let Theresa May in. In other words: Rishi beware... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted July 11, 2022 Sounds like the Sun are backing Sunak’s economic policies if not endorsing him personally just yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,571 Posted July 11, 2022 59 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said: What I would say is that history tells us the frontrunner rarely wins in Tory leadership contests, Boris in 2019 being very much the exception. At this point in the cycle, it was reasonable to expect Michael Heseltine to win in 1990, Ken Clarke to win in 97, Portillo to win in 2001, David Davis in 2005 and Boris in 2016. Heseltine fell foul of knifing Thatcher and also hubris for seeming overconfident after the first round, Clarke's pro-EU stance counted against him in the final reckoning, despite winning the first 2 rounds, as did a late deal he did with John Redwood trying to secure a majority which went down badly. Portillo was seen as the frontrunner but the party didn't agree with his reformist agenda, Davis gave an uninspiring conference speech compared to the other candidates and lost his advantage and we all know about the Johnson-Gove psychodrama of 2016 that let Theresa May in. In other words: Rishi beware... May got in because when it got down to the final two Andrea Leadsom realised she was so far out of her depth she withdrew meaning that the 'rank and file' Tory membership did not get a say (which didn't help when it came to defending her). Whether the Tory faithful would have given the reigns of power to a raving lunatic when the other option was someone who had managed to survive 6 years as home secretary and was seen as a safe pair of hands (albeit not a very brexity pair). In the ballot of MPs May scored over 50% in the first round and 60% in the second. If Gove had edged Leadsom for second place it might have been very different Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Bibliogryphon said: May got in because when it got down to the final two Andrea Leadsom realised she was so far out of her depth she withdrew meaning that the 'rank and file' Tory membership did not get a say (which didn't help when it came to defending her). Whether the Tory faithful would have given the reigns of power to a raving lunatic when the other option was someone who had managed to survive 6 years as home secretary and was seen as a safe pair of hands (albeit not a very brexity pair). In the ballot of MPs May scored over 50% in the first round and 60% in the second. If Gove had edged Leadsom for second place it might have been very different Going to the membership vote might well have exposed May’s poor campaigning skills which were evident in the 2017 election. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,571 Posted July 11, 2022 I have just used the search function on the Daily Mirror website to find out who my local Conservative MP is supporting of the declared candidates and it is not good news he is supporting Suella Braverman who is currently close to the bottom of my list of preferences Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TQR 14,386 Posted July 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said: I have just used the search function on the Daily Mirror website to find out who my local Conservative MP is supporting of the declared candidates and it is not good news he is supporting Suella Braverman who is currently close to the bottom of my list of preferences My MP hasn’t yet indicated who he’s backing but he strikes me as a Jeremy Hunt. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redrumours 860 Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, TQR said: My MP hasn’t yet indicated who he’s backing but he strikes me as a Jeremy Hunt. Or as we prefer to say a Mr Jeremy C hunt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,337 Posted July 11, 2022 I think Liz Truss versus Penny Mordaunt in the final two could be quite interesting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,583 Posted July 11, 2022 Mordaunt and Badenoch leading Con homes polls. Badenoch could win it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,132 Posted July 11, 2022 Not being decided until 5 September! Johnson could have sold the entire country by then. No reason why they can't do this in a week. I wouldn't trust a single one of them as far as I could throw them, but that Braverman bitch is something else. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,337 Posted July 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Toast said: Not being decided until 5 September! Johnson could have sold the entire country by then. No reason why they can't do this in a week. I wouldn't trust a single one of them as far as I could throw them, but that Braverman bitch is something else. I think Braverman will be an early casualty in the contest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,746 Posted July 11, 2022 52 minutes ago, Toast said: I wouldn't trust a single one of them as far as I could throw them, but that Braverman bitch is something else. After a decade of austerity, there's STILL too many people on benefits for Cruella Braverman. What a piece of work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,746 Posted July 11, 2022 41 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: I think Braverman will be an early casualty in the contest. She'll have the ERG lot behind her. Steve Baker's already backed her, I was actually just checking if Rees-Mogg has, but according to the Telegraph HE'S considering standing for the leadership! He's looking forward to taking on William Gladstone in the 1880 General Election... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlotte's Controller 195 Posted July 11, 2022 Thinking of setting up a twitter hashtag, #candidateisacurruptliar once I have received the twitter data I will be able to make an informed opinion. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,337 Posted July 11, 2022 30 minutes ago, RoverAndOut said: She'll have the ERG lot behind her. Steve Baker's already backed her, I was actually just checking if Rees-Mogg has, but according to the Telegraph HE'S considering standing for the leadership! He's looking forward to taking on William Gladstone in the 1880 General Election... Beth Rigby on Sky News says Jacob Rees Mogg and Nadine Dorries are in talks to declare their backing for Liz Truss. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Charlotte's Controller 195 Posted July 11, 2022 Listening to people who had voted for Brexit on the TV the other day and evaluating the quality of population and politicians I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that as a country we are ***ked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 6,314 Posted July 11, 2022 Greg Clark has endorsed Priti if she stands.This is a contest of strange endorsements but that is the most striking. Maybe she offered him a top job.They have nothing in common politically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,033 Posted July 11, 2022 1 minute ago, Sean said: Greg Clark has endorsed Priti if she stands.This is a contest of strange endorsements but that is the most striking. Maybe she offered him a top job.They have nothing in common politically. Shagging? Oops, Priti doesn't do proper pronunciation. Shaggin'? 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,132 Posted July 11, 2022 Never have I more wanted to see a massacre make the headlines. The Tory party is a cesspit of evil and they should all be drowned in a pit of their own slurry. Or make them all eat their money until they choke to death on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
