Mango 185 Posted November 7 27 minutes ago, Sod's Law said: Don't be harsh on yourself, pal. We don't think ALL of your contributions are that bad. Give over, man. I was absolutely right about who would win this election. @gcreptile was so wrong I actually feel embarrassed for him. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,611 Posted November 7 45 minutes ago, msc said: To be fair (and I only saw this post because you quoted it, for reference - sorry, but as a chronic depression sufferer, even I have my limits on doomscrolling), it does look like he thought the PRESS were out of touch with their pro-Trump stance, rather than the other way round. The lack of commas does make it a difficult read though. Correct. That was what I meant but I seem to have missed a comma or two out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 1,040 Posted November 7 1 hour ago, msc said: To be fair (and I only saw this post because you quoted it, for reference - sorry, but as a chronic depression sufferer, even I have my limits on doomscrolling), it does look like he thought the PRESS were out of touch with their pro-Trump stance, rather than the other way round. The lack of commas does make it a difficult read though. It's just like reading Kerouac. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,749 Posted November 7 Read an article on the BBC explaining why Trump won. Not difficult - of course you vote for the guy who offers simple solutions to complex problems. Who wants to vote for the ones who tell you it's complicated? It's a great gig too, because they're so complex that your simple solutions can't work but then it's all the other side's fault if only you give them even more power, then the simple solutions will work! Who cares that deporting millions of migrants will cost trillions of dollars? Or that it will deprive numerous American industries of their workforce? Just deport them! Who cares that the only way to end the Ukraine war is to cut off funding and let Putin have everything east of the Dnieper river (for now)? Who cares that the 2°C target is going to be obliterated when it's only your grandkids and great-grandkids who will suffer the consequences and you get cheap oil here and now? Who cares that you're going to finish that border wall you claimed you'd built 4 years ago (and Mexico paid for)? Who cares that the President is a sexist authoritarian demagogue when the other side are radical lefties (who are barely left of centre in reality)? Turkeys voting for Christmas, and the billionaires are delighted. 8 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gooseberry Crumble 5,347 Posted November 7 I have been following the news avidly and perhaps too deeply and too much for months , since the UK general election was called really. Reading the aftermath debate on here and elsewhere makes me feel it was the right decision of mine earlier this week to now distract myself by throwing myself into binges on IPLAYER and diving into the world of crumpled paper lists and old internet bookmarks trying to pick my slate of juicy unique picks for the 2025 DDP and a good mix of names for other pools. Strange as it may sound I am finding the world of potential famous people dying quite therauptic and relaxing compared to the news alternative ! For any poster feeling quite overwhelmed, worked up and anxious I recommend this past time as a sanity saver! 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,749 Posted November 7 39 minutes ago, Gooseberry Crumble said: I have been following the news avidly and perhaps too deeply and too much for months , since the UK general election was called really. Reading the aftermath debate on here and else makes me feel it was the right decision of mine earlier this week to now distract myself by throwing myself into binges on IPLAYER and diving into the world of crumpled paper lists and old internet bookmarks trying to pick my slate of juicy unique picks for the 2025 DDP and a good mix of names for other pools. Strange as it may sound I am finding the world of potential famous people dying quite therauptic and relaxing compared to the news alternative ! For any poster feeling quite overwhelmed, worked up and anxious I recommend this past time as a sanity saver! I have barely looked at any election coverage from the USA this past year, the fact it was even competitive was demoralising enough, the prospect of the aftermath, whatever happened, was going to be awful. I've followed every election since 2004 to some extent, watched late into the night ever since until this year. There's nothing fascinating or entertaining about any of this, I would also recommend ignoring the news for the foreseeable. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Death Impends 8,011 Posted November 7 I don't pay much attention to the news these days. I'm aware the results and its repercussions are bleak and I don't want to downplay them, but focusing on fun things instead has definitely been a mood saver. I'm going to enjoy my life, the fuckers out there want otherwise and I shant give them the satisfaction 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,170 Posted November 8 In the words of Maurice Chevalier, I'm Glad I'm Not Young Any More. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bentrovato 1,096 Posted November 9 How long before Trump changes the rules for being president in order to allow Elon to take up the Republican mantle and succeed him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyfiona 2,616 Posted November 9 1 minute ago, Bentrovato said: How long before Trump changes the rules for being president in order to allow Elon to take up the Republican mantle and succeed him? Next thing you know Arnold Schwarzenegger will be running for president. He managed Governor of California (also married a Kennedy). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bentrovato 1,096 Posted November 9 29 minutes ago, ladyfiona said: Next thing you know Arnold Schwarzenegger will be running for president. He managed Governor of California (also married a Kennedy). But misbehaved a bit. Elon is in. Where can you place bets for this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sly Ronnie 893 Posted November 9 11 hours ago, ladyfiona said: Next thing you know Arnold Schwarzenegger will be running for president. He managed Governor of California (also married a Kennedy). No, they have to be born in the United States to qualify...like Boris Johnson. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dimreaper 700 Posted November 14 https://www.foxnews.com/media/former-harris-staffer-calls-biden-resign-install-harris-first-female-president This is possibly the dumbest/craziest idea i've ever heard. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,170 Posted November 14 That would be an excellent prank. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mango 185 Posted November 15 On 04/11/2024 at 17:34, Mango said: She's the Democrats' weakest candidate since Kerry. I even overestimated her (!). She had the worst performance for a Democratic presidential ticket since Michael Dukakis in 1988. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,749 Posted November 15 14 hours ago, Mango said: I even overestimated her (!). She had the worst performance for a Democratic presidential ticket since Michael Dukakis in 1988. I know I'm better off not engaging but what the fuck are you talking about? She's got 73 million votes - only Biden 4 years earlier has got more as a Democrat. She's lost by 3 million votes - Trump lost by 7 million 4 years ago, Kerry was the last Democrat to lose by 3 million (and the last to lose the popular vote). She's got 48.2% of the vote - Hillary got exactly the same 8 years ago. Bill Clinton in 1992 (when Perot was a spoiler) was the last Democrat to get less (43%). She's lost by 2 percentage points - Trump lost by 4.5 four years ago. Kerry lost by nearly 2.5 20 years ago. She got 226 electoral collection votes - 1 less than Hillary 8 years ago. 4 Republicans have had less since the Democrats last scored less, when Dukakis scored less than half of Harris's total in 1988 (111). Only an idiot would base overall electoral performance on the electoral college. And you're not an idiot are you Mango? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,611 Posted November 15 Harris got 6 less but Clinton lost 5 to faithless electors. . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mango 185 Posted November 15 3 hours ago, RoverAndOut said: I know I'm better off not engaging but what the fuck are you talking about? She's got 73 million votes - only Biden 4 years earlier has got more as a Democrat. She's lost by 3 million votes - Trump lost by 7 million 4 years ago, Kerry was the last Democrat to lose by 3 million (and the last to lose the popular vote). She's got 48.2% of the vote - Hillary got exactly the same 8 years ago. Bill Clinton in 1992 (when Perot was a spoiler) was the last Democrat to get less (43%). She's lost by 2 percentage points - Trump lost by 4.5 four years ago. Kerry lost by nearly 2.5 20 years ago. She got 226 electoral collection votes - 1 less than Hillary 8 years ago. 4 Republicans have had less since the Democrats last scored less, when Dukakis scored less than half of Harris's total in 1988 (111). Only an idiot would base overall electoral performance on the electoral college. And you're not an idiot are you Mango? The Electoral College literally decides the election. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RoverAndOut 4,749 Posted November 16 32 minutes ago, Mango said: The Electoral College literally decides the election. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Yes, and Trump won it. But as Crem (of all people) pointed out, the electoral college can do literally whatever they want. And it isn't representative of the true result of the election (i.e. how much support/votes a candidate received). You could lose by a single vote in 12 states and win every single vote going in the other 38 and the other guy wins the election and you have a landslide in the popular vote. The electoral college decides the winner, it doesn't begin to describe how people voted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dimreaper 700 Posted November 18 On 02/11/2024 at 20:05, gcreptile said: Harris leads in the highly regard Selzer poll of Iowa by 3 points: https://eu.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2024/11/02/iowa-poll-kamala-harris-leads-donald-trump-2024-presidential-race/75354033007/ Always the standard for the polling industry, everybody was waiting for this poll because the quality of the polling this year was not very good. As I mentioned in the previous page, pollsters have been polling very defensively, always giving ties or at most very small leads. Now, a couple of days ago, polling experts Nate Silver and Nate Cohn (of the NYT) joined the complaints: https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-underestimate-polls-wrong-election-donald-trump-1979080 https://www.thedailybeast.com/nate-silver-cheating-pollsters-are-putting-finger-on-the-scale/ Ann Selzer's traditional Iowa poll is regarded as being above these concerns, because of its stellar track record. And this poll almost proves that lots of pollsters have been giving better results for Trump out of fear of being wrong (again). Instead, Harris might in fact be heading towards an Obama 2008-sized victory. Ann Selzer officially retiring following election backlash. https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/17/media/iowa-pollster-ann-selzer-retire-trump-harris/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
polar duck 878 Posted November 18 5 minutes ago, dimreaper said: Ann Selzer officially retiring following election backlash. https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/17/media/iowa-pollster-ann-selzer-retire-trump-harris/index.html Apparently, she had decided to retire last year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,611 Posted November 20 Think a lot of the mainstream Dems are already moving in favour of Josh Shapiro as their 2028 nominee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,662 Posted November 20 1 hour ago, The Old Crem said: Think a lot of the mainstream Dems are already moving in favour of Josh Shapiro as their 2028 nominee. What, there's actually going to be another election in four years?! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,611 Posted November 21 Matt Gaetz – Trump's controversial pick for AG – withdraws: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
