Rotten Ali 600 Posted November 6, 2015 Tail strike coming back to haunt was what I was thinking too, about 12/15 years ago the same thing happened to a 747 (think it was China Airlines) about 20 years after a botched tail strike repair and poor maintance.Japanese plane - flight 123. Four survivors, but still the worlds worst single plane crash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JQW 283 Posted November 6, 2015 Tail strike coming back to haunt was what I was thinking too, about 12/15 years ago the same thing happened to a 747 (think it was China Airlines) about 20 years after a botched tail strike repair and poor maintance.Japanese plane - flight 123. Four survivors, but still the worlds worst single plane crash. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123 This was the China Airlines crash - tail strike in 1980, aircraft breaks up in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted November 6, 2015 all I know is planes don't just blow up on their own ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted November 6, 2015 This one does.. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted November 6, 2015 Tail strike coming back to haunt was what I was thinking too, about 12/15 years ago the same thing happened to a 747 (think it was China Airlines) about 20 years after a botched tail strike repair and poor maintance. Japanese plane - flight 123. Four survivors, but still the worlds worst single plane crash.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123 This was the China Airlines crash - tail strike in 1980, aircraft breaks up in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611 That's the one I was thinking of, JAL123 was another dodgy tail strike repair but was a loss of control accident rather than a midair breakup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mad Hatter 1,092 Posted November 6, 2015 Tail strike coming back to haunt was what I was thinking too, about 12/15 years ago the same thing happened to a 747 (think it was China Airlines) about 20 years after a botched tail strike repair and poor maintance.Japanese plane - flight 123. Four survivors, but still the worlds worst single plane crash.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123 This was the China Airlines crash - tail strike in 1980, aircraft breaks up in 2002: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611 That's the one I was thinking of, JAL123 was another dodgy tail strike repair but was a loss of control accident rather than a midair breakup. it could have been diving at such a speed that the plane broke up in mid air like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_585 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat O'Falk 3,290 Posted November 6, 2015 it could have been diving at such a speed that the plane broke up in mid air like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_585 Nowhere in that link does it say the plane broke up in mid air. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mad Hatter 1,092 Posted November 6, 2015 it could have been diving at such a speed that the plane broke up in mid air like https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_585 Nowhere in that link does it say the plane broke up in mid air.wrong link I meant this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185I doubt it was a deliberate crash but you get the picture Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 600 Posted November 6, 2015 I don't discount a bomb but the real evidence of what happened is there waiting to be found. I still maintain the structural issue to be more that pre-eminent. In both static and flight mode the tail external skin surfaces in the area of the rear floor are in compression mode. Should a failure happen in this area it would cause a buckling fracture and change the relative angle of attack between the main wing surfaces and those of the tail. At this point the plane would start to nose down dive. The pilots would counter react by pulling up hard to regain level flight. Doing this, would more highly stress the rear structure and pulled off the tail as the fractures opened. The external surfaces that remain visible in the tail show classic signs of rivet line "unzipping". The panel remains but a clear run of holes are all that's left of what was attached to it. We had an early Mini cabrio design tested about its rear seat belt anchorages. Without the roof to pass the loads into the shell, the whole rear bulkhead pulled out, popping each and every spot weld like undoing a zipped jacket. Came all the way forward till it was level with the back of the front seat area before the 10 ton pull load finished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
One shot Paddy 1,206 Posted November 7, 2015 Or a continuous rod detonation in proximity of he tail? I would still be looking very closely at the previous accident and the maintance history! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted November 8, 2015 In any case they look to be some of YOURS my British friends! Was gonna put this in Conspiracy Theories but the conversation is here. SC http://www.infowars.com/british-extremists-linked-to-jet-bomb/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted December 4, 2015 I'll stick a ferry in here... Many a breakfast/pint, indeed breakfast pint, had aboard her in the past. https://www.vesselfinder.com/news/4799-Photo-Report-Ferry-capsizes-off-Fijian-capital-Suva 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rotten Ali 600 Posted December 14, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/russian-plane-crash-report-live-sinai-jet-was-not-brought-down-by-isis-terrorists-a6772146.html So, from the Egyptians. The MetroJet story theme swings back to it being a technical problem, not a bomb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,533 Posted December 14, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/russian-plane-crash-report-live-sinai-jet-was-not-brought-down-by-isis-terrorists-a6772146.html So, from the Egyptians. The MetroJet story theme swings back to it being a technical problem, not a bomb. I thought ISIS already claimed responsibility with that one. Or did they just wish they had brought that aircraft down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted December 14, 2015 Aye but 'Egyptian authorities' kinda loses the impact.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eesti 151 Posted December 15, 2015 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/russian-plane-crash-report-live-sinai-jet-was-not-brought-down-by-isis-terrorists-a6772146.html So, from the Egyptians. The MetroJet story theme swings back to it being a technical problem, not a bomb. I thought ISIS already claimed responsibility with that one. Or did they just wish they had brought that aircraft down? ISIS will claime responsibility for everything bad and worse that's possible. This doesn't mean that they did or didn't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Bearer 6,102 Posted December 16, 2015 Get sucked into a planes engine http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-16/air-india-worker-dies-after-being-sucked-into-planes-engine-at-airport/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,533 Posted December 21, 2015 More than 30 people mowed down on Sunset Strip in Las Vegas 1 person has died, and about 4 people in a critical condition. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35149229 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted December 23, 2015 New Mexico sophomore defensive back Markel Byrd died in a single-car accident Tuesday that also left his girlfriend in critical condition. He was 20. SC http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2601936-markel-byrd-new-mexico-safety-dies-at-20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted December 31, 2015 One of North Koreas top foreign policy hands, and a close adviser to leader Kim Jong-un, died in a car crash on Tuesday, according to state news agency KCNA. Kim Yang-gon, 73, was a secretary in the Korean Workers Party and the head of the partys United Front Department, which is responsible for managing relations with South Korea. SC http://thediplomat.com/2015/12/top-north-korean-official-dies-in-car-crash/ Dong, where is my automobile? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cat O'Falk 3,290 Posted February 9, 2016 Police confirm four dead. "Two commuter trains collide head-on in Bavaria" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438376/Train-crash-southern-Germany-causes-injuries.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted February 9, 2016 So they don't always run on time then..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted February 9, 2016 Police confirm four dead. "Two commuter trains collide head-on in Bavaria" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438376/Train-crash-southern-Germany-causes-injuries.html >100 people hurt, 55 badly. (says Sueddeutsche Zieitung) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,533 Posted February 9, 2016 Police confirm four dead. "Two commuter trains collide head-on in Bavaria" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3438376/Train-crash-southern-Germany-causes-injuries.html >100 people hurt, 55 badly. (says Sueddeutsche Zieitung) Death toll increases to 9 http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/09/europe/germany-train-collision/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted February 10, 2016 They were saying on the radio this morning that our perception of how the well run, managed and, generally, totally efficient German rail network is, is a bit bollocks. The word is they are generally rag bag and a bit shite. They also did a summary yesterday on train crashes in Europe and how the UK is one of the very safest anywhere. No surprises there really, ours are as slow as fuck and never run on time, they have no chance of meeting each other and having a head on!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
