Windsor 2,233 Posted December 6, 2020 40 minutes ago, msc said: Mind the long running tradition of either the Monarch or their spouse outliving one of their own kids too. I can't mind if it goes all the way to Elizabeth I (who didn't have any) but it goes close enough... Since Libby I, the only ones to miss this are William III and Edward VIII (nae weans) and George I who died young. George I was 67 when he died...in 1727. So not really all that young. William III had no children and neither did his wife Mary II who was unable to have children following a miscarriage. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,435 Posted December 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Windsor said: George I was 67 when he died...in 1727. So not really all that young. William III had no children and neither did his wife Mary II who was unable to have children following a miscarriage. Compared to George III... (OK. OK, I was glancing quickly and gave him Anne's age instead...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted December 6, 2020 Just now, msc said: Compared to George III... (OK. OK, I was glancing quickly and gave him Anne's age instead...) George III does somewhat prove your point in that he succeeded his grandfather... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,164 Posted December 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Windsor said: George I was 67 when he died...in 1727. So not really all that young. William III had no children and neither did his wife Mary II who was unable to have children following a miscarriage. Remember watching a Lucy Worsley programme on William & Mary and that clearly stated that Mary never fell pregnant so I don't think there was a miscarriage. The general consensus was that William was not very successful in the bedroom department and he was probably gay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,164 Posted December 6, 2020 One random fact, if Mary had survived William A Clockwork Orange would have had different theme music. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,569 Posted December 6, 2020 When I woke up and saw this topic had had seven replies since last night I thought DOE = DOA 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Windsor 2,233 Posted December 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Deathrace said: Remember watching a Lucy Worsley programme on William & Mary and that clearly stated that Mary never fell pregnant so I don't think there was a miscarriage. The general consensus was that William was not very successful in the bedroom department and he was probably gay. Even the gay kings knew they had to have children. Its kind of in the job description, although granted if he was that keen he could have remarried after Mary's death or taken mistresses during her lifetime. Queen Anne had 17 kids even though suggestion was she wasn't too keen on the cock. There are certainly rumours that William III was gay but not really any proof. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Up North 3,725 Posted December 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Windsor said: There are certainly rumours that William III was gay but not really any poof. FTFY 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,435 Posted December 6, 2020 If its in a Lucy Worsley show its probably wrong. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
frleon 138 Posted December 6, 2020 13 hours ago, msc said: Mind the long running tradition of either the Monarch or their spouse outliving one of their own kids too. I can't mind if it goes all the way to Elizabeth I (who didn't have any) but it goes close enough... Different place, more extreme case: Louis XIV outlived both his eldest son and eldest grandson, and was succeeded by his great-grandson Louis XV (don't know of any other such case). He in turn outlived his son at least, Louises XVI and XVIII both were his grandsons. Could have racked it up to XXI if only they had died in order. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,963 Posted December 6, 2020 It seems the Royal couple wants to go public after getting vaccinated: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-royals/britains-queen-elizabeth-may-go-public-after-having-covid-vaccine-times-reports-idUSKBN28G079 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handrejka 1,903 Posted December 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Windsor said: Even the gay kings knew they had to have children. Its kind of in the job description, although granted if he was that keen he could have remarried after Mary's death or taken mistresses during her lifetime. Queen Anne had 17 kids even though suggestion was she wasn't too keen on the cock. There are certainly rumours that William III was gay but not really any proof. William II never bothered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bibliogryphon 9,569 Posted December 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Handrejka said: William II never bothered. Nor Richard the Lionheart but Edward II did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,129 Posted December 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bibliogryphon said: Nor Richard the Lionheart but Edward II did. Richard Lionheart did have an illegitimate son. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
runebomme 377 Posted December 7, 2020 was he a bastard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,129 Posted December 7, 2020 8 hours ago, runebomme said: was he a bastard Well, obviously. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
runebomme 377 Posted December 7, 2020 6 hours ago, Toast said: Well, obviously. I thought he was only a bit of a rascal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathrace 1,164 Posted December 7, 2020 23 hours ago, Bibliogryphon said: Nor Richard the Lionheart but Edward II did. And James I 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Where's the Greek? 3 Posted December 8, 2020 Carol service at Windsor photo out. Some note able absences, including the Greek himself. Too ill to get his derriere down to thr family photo shoot a couple times a year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted December 9, 2020 He’s publicly retired. Picks and chooses which ones he goes to now. Normally limits them to things like weddings and photo calls of himself and the Queen. He’s probably sat up on the couch watching telly and necking a bottle of the hard stuff. I can picture him saying “Bah carols, no bloody thanks!” Providing that he makes it that far, I think we’ll see some of him during his 100th birthday celebrations in 6 months. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,435 Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said: He’s publicly retired. Picks and chooses which ones he goes to now. Normally limits them to things like weddings and photo calls of himself and the Queen. He’s probably sat up on the couch watching telly and necking a bottle of the hard stuff. I can picture him saying “Bah carols, no bloody thanks!” Providing that he makes it that far, I think we’ll see some of him during his 100th birthday celebrations in 6 months. tbh can you blame him? That'd be my choice of the two options as well! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Where's the Greek? 3 Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, msc said: tbh can you blame him? That'd be my choice of the two options as well! In normal circumstances maybe, but he won't have seen most of those people for months so you think if he was well enough he'd make the effort to get down to talk in person. There following social distancing according to press reports so they won't have gone in. This feels like a gigantic tell to me. I expect him to make it past Christmas but go last week of December/January the way the extremely old do. Charles is visiting a crimbo so that'll see him to then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,435 Posted December 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Where's the Greek? said: In normal circumstances maybe, but he won't have seen most of those people for months so you think if he was well enough he'd make the effort to get down to talk in person. There following social distancing according to press reports so they won't have gone in. This feels like a gigantic tell to me. I expect him to make it past Christmas but go last week of December/January the way the extremely old do. Charles is visiting a crimbo so that'll see him to then. Oh I think he'll be a goner next year (perhaps as one of those people who hang on for the 100th then die almost immediately afterwards), Ulitzer's quip just tickled me. The Queen herself would probably rather have a whisky and a comfy chair instead of listening to Holy Redeemer yet again... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Where's the Greek? 3 Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, msc said: Oh I think he'll be a goner next year (perhaps as one of those people who hang on for the 100th then die almost immediately afterwards), Ulitzer's quip just tickled me. The Queen herself would probably rather have a whisky and a comfy chair instead of listening to Holy Redeemer yet again... Apparently she was moaning to the vicar they weren't singing them just a band... Boring old bat. As I said I reckon he's a classic post Christmas. Part of me does wonder if he's already dead though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ulitzer95 12,576 Posted December 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Where's the Greek? said: Apparently she was moaning to the vicar they weren't singing them just a band... Boring old bat. As I said I reckon he's a classic post Christmas. Part of me does wonder if he's already dead though.... Oh you are mad! Welcome to the forum btw. Always great to have conspiracy theorists pop by. Makes me feel relatively sane by comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites