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This year's been a personal best for me with shadow lists, Dr. Heimlich gives me hit #15.

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I'm keeping my shadowlist names to deathlist like names, so the likes of Christie, Sellers, etc will not be making the cut. This is what I send to msc earlier this week, although everyone apart from Osbourne (I like him at #50) has moved up one. So here's my list for next year:

  1. Stefan Karl Stefansson
  2. Billy Graham
  3. Peter Sallis
  4. King Michael of Romania
  5. Kirk Douglas
  6. Prince Phillip
  7. Olivia de Haviland
  8. Jake Lamotta
  9. Herman Wouk
  10. Leah Bracknell
  11. Glen Campbell
  12. Joost van der Westhuizen
  13. George Bush Sr
  14. Robert Mugabe
  15. Helmut Kohl
  16. Richard Adams
  17. Desmond Tutu
  18. Bruce Forsyth
  19. Sidney Poitier
  20. John Wetton
  21. Ian Brady
  22. Leslie Phillips
  23. Sumner Redstone
  24. Fats Domino
  25. Pope Benedict
  26. Ian St John
  27. Denis Norden
  28. Vera Lynn
  29. Queen Elizabeth
  30. Colin Meads
  31. Lord Peter Carrington
  32. Prunella Scales
  33. Sean Connery
  34. Tony Booth
  35. John Noakes
  36. Stan Lee
  37. Mel Brooks
  38. Jimmy Carter
  39. Jacques Chirac
  40. Jimmy Greaves
  41. David Attenborough
  42. Valerie Harper
  43. Nicholas Parsons
  44. Doris Day
  45. Pierre Cardin
  46. Chuck Berry
  47. Norman Lloyd
  48. Donald Trump
  49. Bob Dole
  50. Ozzy Osbourne

4 subs in case any of these die before the starting line

  1. Clive James
  2. Val Kilmer
  3. Charles Aznavour
  4. Brian Wilson

​Stefan Karl will be happy cause he is #1 after Zsa Zsa's demise.

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My shadow list is in my signature and my fame barrier is that these are people whose deaths I would expect to be reported on the 6 o'clock news (in Australia) and they need to be famous in their own right. So no Joey Feek, Rene Angelil, Kate Granger etc. Of those on my list who have died, I did not see Lupita Tovar's death reported on the news which surprised me. I thought her longevity and being one of the few remaining links to those early Hollywood days (I'll stay out of the silent movie argument) might see her get a mention. Luise Rainer's death did get a mention in 2014 but then again she did win a couple of Oscars.

 

Anyway a solid 12 hits this year-although I have had some misses in the last couple of months where a couple of my favourites from previous years had gone toes up (Bernard Fox, Zara Nutley).

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Well it looks like I'll be ending 2016 with 13/50, smashing my 2015 total of 6/50.

 

I was going to publish my Shadow List onto this thread and the better-than-the-committee thread today, but so many of my picks have been dying that I think I'll wait a few more days.

 

I'll be adding it to my signature in a few days too.

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My Personal Deathlist 2017

 

1) King Michael I of Romania
2) Mario Soares
3) George H. W. Bush
4) Tony Booth
5) Gay Byrne
6) Billy Graham
7) Joe Jackson
8) Oskar Groening
9) Bill Macy
10) Zhou Youguang
11) Queen Sirikit
12) Rose Marie
13) Nanette Fabray
14) Roberta McCain
15) Norman Lloyd
16) Peter Sallis
17) Bob Dole
18) George P. Shultz
19) Pope Benedict XVI
20) Beverly Clearly
21) Joanne Woodward
22) Leslie Phillips
23) Joost van der Westhuizen
24) Ian Brady
25) Virginia McCaskey
26) Sidney Poitier
27) Robert Mugabe
28) Chuck Berry
29) Desmond Tutu
30) Dilip Kumar
31) Kirk Douglas
32) Giorgio Napolitano
33) Glen Campbell
34) Vera Lynn
35) Bill Daily
36) Zbigniew Brzezinski
37) Fats Domino
38) Carl Reiner
39) Mary Tyler Moore
40) Joseph Wapner
41) Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
42) Norman Lear
43) Cloris Leachman
44) Buzz Aldrin
45) Clive James
46) Mel Brooks
47) Jimmy Carter
48) Val Kilmer
49) Olivia de Havilland
50) Valerie Harper

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My 2017 deathlist :

 

1: Mario Soares (ex Portugal president)

2: Joost Van der Westhuizen (Rugbyman)

3: Desmond Tutu (South African politic)

4: Kirk Douglas (Actor)

5: Hosni Mubarrak (ex Egypt president)

6: Javier Perez de Cuellar ( ex ONU secretary)

7: Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe president)

8: Olivia de Havilland (Actress)

9: Jimmy Carter (former USA president)

10: Stephen Hawking (scientist)

11: Noby Stiles (footballer)

12: Prince Philip

13: Hugh Heffner (businessman)

14: Danielle Darrieux (actress)

15: Ayman Al -Zawahiri (Al Qaeda leader)

16: Charles Manson (killer)

17: David Rockfeller (businessman)

18: Jake LaMotta (boxer)

19: Henry Kissinger (politic)

20: Sidney Poitier (actor)

21: George H. Bush (former USA president)

22: Stan Lee (comic writer)

23: Shannen Doherty (actress)

24: Liliane Bettencourt (businesswoman)

25: Jacques Chirac (former french president)

26: Helmut Kohl (former germany chancellor)

27: Simone Veil (french politic)

28: Jean-Paul Belmondo (actor)

29: Gordon Banks (footballer)

30: Akihito (emperor)

31: Charles Aznavour (singer)

32: Pierre Cardin (businessman)

33: George Soros (businessman)

34: Brigitte Bardot (actress)

35: Valery Giscard d'Estaing (former french president)

36: Abu Bakr el-Baghdadi (ISIS leader)

37: Raymond Kopa (Footballer)

38: Chuck Berry (singer)

39: Queen Elisabeth II

40: Buzz Aldrin (astronaut)

41: Jerome Golmard (tennisman)

42: Pierre Soulage (Painter)

43: Paul Gascoigne (footballer)

44: Mikhail Gorbachev (former USSR president)

45: Sean Connery (actor)

46: Albert Uderzo (comic writer)

47: Ali Khamenei (Supreme leader of Iran)

48: Abdelaziz Bouteflika (Algeria president)

49: Don Schulla (foot US legend)

50: Val Kilmer (actor)

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On 17/50 pretty pleased with that.Still not satisfied with my list for 2017 though.

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With 18/50 dead on my list for 2016, and disregarding everything I've said earlier, this is my final version of my own personal list for 2017:

1. Zhou Youguang
2. Michael of Romania
3. Peter Sallis
4. Kirk Douglas
5. Billy Graham

6. Herman Wouk
7. Clare Hollingworth
8. Leah Bracknell
9. Jacque Fresco
10. Olivia de Haviland

11. Vera Lynn
12. Raymond Smullyan
13. Prince Philip
14. Peter Carrington
15. I. M. Pei

16. Javier Perez de Cuellar
17. Fats Domino
18. Jake Lamotta
19. Mario Soares
20. David Rockefeller

21. Pierre Cardin
22. Stan Lee
23. George Bush Sr.
24. Jimmy Carter
25. Robert Mugabe

26. Chuck Berry
27. Hosni Mubarak
28. Ian Brady
29. Henry Kissinger
30. Nicholas Parsons

31. Glen Campbell
32. Timothy Dudley-Smith
33. Doris Day
34. Dick Van Dyke
35. Gudrun Ure

36. Bruce Forsyth
37. Charles Aznavour
38. Tony Bennett
39. Hugh Hefner
40. Benedict XVI

41. Desmond Tutu
42. Gaston Glock
43. Sidney Poitier
44. David Attenborough
45. Jacques Delors

46. Desmond Morris
47. Norman Tebbit
48. John Wetton
49. Rolf Harris
50. Josef Fritzl

This version will be going in my signature. Good luck to everyone!

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It's the 31st and I'm not going to be sat on DL on NYE here's my shadow list which differs from TYBTTC by using the 25 names from my list last year. Here we are then, with not a great deal of thought in it;

 

(1/50 - Mario Soares)

 

Keepers

 

  1. Tony Booth
  2. June Brown
  3. Jimmy Carter
  4. Rev Billy Graham
  5. Clive James
  6. Stan Lee
  7. Richard McKenzie
  8. Joost van der Westhuizen
  9. Eileen Derbyshire
  10. Robert Mugabe
  11. Pope Benedict Emeritus
  12. David Attenborough
  13. Bruce Forsyth
  14. Vera Lynn
  15. Peter Sallis
  16. Stirling Moss
  17. Timothy West
  18. Prunella Scales
  19. George H.W Bush
  20. Barbara Bush
  21. Helmut Kohl
  22. Michael Gorbachev
  23. Rosalynn Carter
  24. Michael Martin
  25. Gerald Kaufman

 

New Blood

 

  1. Kieth Richards
  2. Sandy Gall
  3. Mario Soares
  4. Sheila Mercier
  5. James Randi
  6. Arthur Scargill
  7. Richard O'Sullivan
  8. Thelma Barlow
  9. Peter Carrington
  10. Nicholas Parsons
  11. Queen Elizabeth II
  12. Peter Tapsell
  13. Paul Gascoine
  14. Kenny Sansom
  15. Willie Thorne
  16. Raymond Briggs
  17. Patricia Routledge
  18. Chuck Berry
  19. Tam Dalyell
  20. Ginger Baker
  21. Michael Parkinson
  22. Ian McKellen
  23. Gordon Banks
  24. Ian St John
  25. Ken Dodd

 

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Couple of small points of clarification please

 

 

Are Shadowlists by "convention" supposed to be bound by the keep 25 from the committee list rule?

How if at all are Shadowlists different from the"your 2017 list" that also now exists and should your shadowlist basically be the same 50 as those you may have sent in to the crowdsourced deathlist or can it be different or tweaked? Is that in the spirit of the thread /idea?

 

My crowdsourced list is very different from the official deathlist and certainly doesn't have 25 of the names retained.

 

Many thanks

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I think you can decide for yourself really. I stick to the 25 rule and I prefer to stick to deathlisty names but I don't think anyone will enforce it.

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Couple of small points of clarification please

 

 

Are Shadowlists by "convention" supposed to be bound by the keep 25 from the committee list rule?

How if at all are Shadowlists different from the"your 2017 list" that also now exists and should your shadowlist basically be the same 50 as those you may have sent in to the crowdsourced deathlist or can it be different or tweaked? Is that in the spirit of the thread /idea?

 

My crowdsourced list is very different from the official deathlist and certainly doesn't have 25 of the names retained.

 

Many thanks

 

1) Well, I choose to abide by the 25 rule, but I don't think it's necessary. Shadow Lists don't really have "rules", since it is not an official competition. However, it is generally believed that Shadow Lists should consist of Deathlist-y picks, but some people *cough* Sir Creep *cough* tend to not abide by this and then gloat about how better they are doing then the rest of us because they stuffed their team with Daily Mail cancer mums instead of international celebrities.

 

2) There is no difference between this thread and the "Your 2017 list" thread. The "Your 2017 list" thread was just created by a newbie who didn't know what they were doing (no offense).

 

3) Well, usually people send in their Shadow List for the Crowdsourced, but you, of course, CAN change it later on. I sent in mine for the Crowdsourced a couple of weeks ago, and have made some tweaks.

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Here's a bunch of old people that I'll call my shadow list.

 

1. Herb Alpert

2. Vera Lynn

3. Yoko Ono

4. Gary Rossington

5. Queen Sirikit

6. Richard Wilson

7. Harry Belafonte

8. Rev. Billy Graham

9. Jet Black

10. Mary Tyler Moore

11. Mario Soares

12. Wendy Carlos

13. Gershon Kingsley

14. Peter Sarstedt

15. Frank Lucas

16. Mary Midgley

17. Marianne Faithfull

18. Ian St. John

19. Gay Byrne

20. Michael I of Romania

21. Dan Rather

22. Bruce Forsyth

23. Clare Hollingworth

24. Sumner Redstone

25. Jimmy Snuka

26. Tony Booth

27. June Brown

28. Glen Campbell

29. Clive James

30. Grace Slick

31. Liz Dawn

32. Benedict XVI

33. Peter Sallis

34. Joss Ackland

35. Emperor Akihito

36. Baroness Trumpington

37. Gerald Kaufman

38. Stephen Hawking

39. Desmond Carrington

40. Jurgen Habermas

41. Sidney Poitier

42. Queen Elizabeth II

43. Henry Kissinger

44. Alberto Fujimori

45. Nobby Stiles

46. Peter Carrington

47. Paula Tilbrook

48. Joost van der Westhuizen

49. Denis Norden

50. David Thomas

 

Score: 8/50

 

Edit: Oops, had Richard Wilson twice

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I think you can decide for yourself really. I stick to the 25 rule and I prefer to stick to deathlisty names but I don't think anyone will enforce it.

 

 

Couple of small points of clarification please

 

 

Are Shadowlists by "convention" supposed to be bound by the keep 25 from the committee list rule?

How if at all are Shadowlists different from the"your 2017 list" that also now exists and should your shadowlist basically be the same 50 as those you may have sent in to the crowdsourced deathlist or can it be different or tweaked? Is that in the spirit of the thread /idea?

 

My crowdsourced list is very different from the official deathlist and certainly doesn't have 25 of the names retained.

 

Many thanks

1) Well, I choose to abide by the 25 rule, but I don't think it's necessary. Shadow Lists don't really have "rules", since it is not an official competition. However, it is generally believed that Shadow Lists should consist of Deathlist-y picks, but some people *cough* Sir Creep *cough* tend to not abide by this and then gloat about how better they are doing then the rest of us because they stuffed their team with Daily Mail cancer mums instead of international celebrities.

 

2) There is no difference between this thread and the "Your 2017 list" thread. The "Your 2017 list" thread was just created by a newbie who didn't know what they were doing (no offense).

 

3) Well, usually people send in their Shadow List for the Crowdsourced, but you, of course, CAN change it later on. I sent in mine for the Crowdsourced a couple of weeks ago, and have made some tweaks.

Cheers thanks very much.

 

My crowdsourced list really didn't abide by the 25 names rule at all so I'm just debating with myself if I should bother with a shadow list or just leave it but I accept that it's no big deal. So will decide bit later on.

 

I agree with the committee having the 25 name rule for themselves whilst drawing up the list but I just approached crowdsourced as if it was a complete clean slate and thus up to me how many if any of the official list to carry forward as if I'm being asked to envisage a new list from scratch rather than in relation to an existing list.

Anyway most of my names if not all are famous to some degree and definitely no cancer mum types either!

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I think there are two/three separate approaches.

 

Either you choose to follow the Committee's exact lead, retaining 25 of their current selections.

 

Or you begin with a completely independent selection of 50 names chosen by yourself.

 

If the latter, you must later decide whether to follow the DL convention and retain 25 of your own current selections for the next year.

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I think there are two/three separate approaches.

 

Either you choose to follow the Committee's exact lead, retaining 25 of their current selections.

 

Or you begin with a completely independent selection of 50 names chosen by yourself.

 

If the latter, you must later decide whether to follow the DL convention and retain 25 of your own current selections for the next year.

Thanks.

 

I think I will go with the second approach and start my own full list this year but then be bound by applying a 25 name list rule to my own list in relation to my previous years list.

 

Thanks again

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This is my first attempt at a death list so it will probably be terrible but here goes

 

Here is my list for 2017

 

1. Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh

2. John Hurt

3. Stan Lee

4. Clint Eastwood

5. Donald Trump

6. Bruce Forsyth

7. Stephen Hawking

8. Tom Baker

9. Paul Gascoigne

10. William Russell

11. June Brown

12. Roger Moore

13. Adam West

14. Angela Lansbury

15. Dick Van Dyke

16. Doris Day

17. Hugh Hefner

18. Nicholas Parsons

19. Ken Dodd

20. Jim Bowen

21. Rolf Harris

22. Micheal J Fox

23. George RR Martin

24. Daniela Westbrook

25. William Shatner

26. Pope Benedict XVI

27. Clare Hollingworth

28. George Bush Snr

29. Olivia De Havilland

30. Billy Graham

31. Kirk Douglas

32. Yoko Ono

33. Lord Peter Carrington

34. Steve Sunmer

35. Tony Booth

36. Michael York

37. Queen Elizabeth II

38. Bob Newhart

39. Ozzie Osbourne

40. Rupert Murdoch

41. Peter Sallis

42. Nichelle Nichols

43. Vera Lynn

44. Jackie Stallone

45. Jeanne Little

46. Gerald Kaufman

47. Liz Dawn

48. Cloris Leachman

49. Betty White

50. Robert Mugabe

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1. Leah Bracknell

2. Errol Christie

3. Colin Meads

4. Mario Soares

5. Kirk Douglas

6. Olivia De Havilland

7. Rev Billy Graham

8. John Noakes

9. Tony Booth

10. Herman Wouk

11. Peter Sallis

12. Sumner Redstone

13. Nick Boles

14. Ian Brady

15. Mary Tyler Moore

16. Vera Lynn

17. Stan Lee

18. Glen Campbell

19. Bruce Forsythe

20. Jimmy Greaves

21. Gordon Banks

22. John Paul Stevens

23. Jake Lamotta

24. Prince Phillip

25. Javier Perez de Cuellar

26. Stephen Hawking

27. Pierre Cardin

28. Jimmy Carter

29. Henry Kissinger

30. Joost van der Westhuizen

31. Akihito

32. Denis Norden

33. Jacques Chirac

34. Nobby Stiles

35. Michael Schumacher

36. George H. W. Bush

37. Shannon Doherty

38. Peter Carrington

39. David Rockefeller

40. Yasuhiro Nakasone

41. Robert Mugabe

42. Fernando Ricksen

43. Bart Starr

44. Betty White

45. Helmut Kohl

46. Bob Dole

47. Bob Barker

48. John Bain

49. James Lovelock

50. Valerie Harper

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Right my shadowlist is now in my signature !Its basically 100 percent what I sent the OP for the crowdsourced deathlist..

 

Quite an unusual mix not sure how I will fare but what the heck!

 

 

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My Nifty Fifty for 2017:

 

01. James Anderton

02. Charles Aznavour

03. Ginger Baker

04. Kenneth Baker

05. Geoffrey Bayldon

06. Johnny Beattie

07. Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

08. Tony Bennett

09. Honor Blackman

10. Ian Brady

11. George HW Bush

12. Glen Campbell

13. Brian Cant

14. Jimmy Carter

15. Jacques Chirac

16. Phil Collins

17. Bruce Forsyth

18. Jimmy Greaves

19. Valerie Harper

20. Hugh Hefner

21. Douglas Hurd

22. John Hurt

23. Clive James

24. David Jason

25. Angela Lansbury

26. Stan Lee

27. Charles Manson

28. Brian May

29. Ennio Morricone

30. Robert Mugabe

31. Pete Murray

32. John Noakes

33. Denis Norden

34. Prince Philip

35. Leslie Phillips

36. Jane Powell

37. Sidney Poitier

38. Sumner Redstone

39. Little Richard

40. David Rockefeller

41. Ian St John

42. Nobby Stiles

43. Mike Stoller

44. David Sylvian

45. Bill Tidy

46. Desmond Tutu

47. Dick Van Dyke

48. Klaus Voorman

49. Betty White

50. Frank Williams (Formula One)

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I'm going to do the unthinkable - amend my list for 2017. Since no one's died yet, I'll be alright if I change my list to this:

1. Zhou Youguang
2. Michael of Romania
3. Peter Sallis
4. Kirk Douglas
5. Billy Graham

6. Herman Wouk
7. Clare Hollingworth
8. Leah Bracknell
9. Jacque Fresco
10. Olivia de Haviland

11. Vera Lynn
12. Raymond Smullyan
13. Prince Philip
14. Peter Carrington
15. I. M. Pei

16. Javier Perez de Cuellar
17. Bernard Lewis
18. Jake Lamotta
19. Mario Soares
20. David Rockefeller

21. Pierre Cardin
22. Stan Lee
23. Jean, Grand Duke of Luxembourg
24. Beverly Cleary
25. Denis Norden

26. Jimmy Carter
27. George Bush Sr.
28. Fats Domino
29. Chuck Berry
30. Hosni Mubarak

31. Glen Campbell
32. Robert Mugabe
33. Doris Day
34. Dick Van Dyke
35. Timothy Dudley-Smith

36. Bruce Forsyth
37. Lyndon LaRouche
38. Henry Kissinger
39. Hugh Hefner
40. Benedict XVI

41. Desmond Tutu
42. Gudrun Ure
43. Ian Brady
44. David Attenborough
45. Nicholas Parsons

46. Desmond Morris
47. Errol Christie
48. Ian St John
49. Rolf Harris
50. John Wetton

I had to sacrifice some good picks to make room for people who I thought were even better picks!

 

Removed: Charles Aznavour, Tony Bennett, Gaston Glock, Sidney Poitier, Jacques Delors, Norman Tebbit, Josef Fritzl
Added: Bernard Lewis, Jean Grand Duke of Luxembourg, Beverly Cleary, Denis Norden, Lyndon LaRouche, Errol Christie, Ian St John

Hope it pays off...

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finally sharing my 2017 list, I tryed to get it as much mixed / various as possible with some audacious new names :

new names are in bold

 

Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman
David Rockefeller
Kirk Douglas
Billy Graham
Prince Philip
Michael I of Romania
Mario Soares
Jimmy Carter
Leslie Phillips
Hugh Hefner
Valéry Giscard d'Estaing
Juliette Gréco
Pope Benedict XVI
Simone Veil
Gerald Kaufman
Dan Gurney
Desmond Tutu
Jacques Chirac
Colin Meads
Glen Campbell
Mireille Darc
Jeannie Little
Ian St John
Valerie Harper
Elizabeth Dawn
Richard Bohringer
Aretha Franklin
Nobby Stiles
Bryan Murray
Jimmy Snuka
Françoise Hardy
Michael Douglas
Cher
Peter Skellern
Keith Farnham
John Wetton
John Wicks
Debbie Rowe
Val Kilmer
Ken Watanabe
Errol Christie
Pierre Ménès
Gord Downie
Paul van Zandvliet
Paul Gascoigne
Scott Putesky
Wesley Pipes
Shan­nen Doherty
Abou Bakr al-Baghdadi
Edu Ferreira
already one (easy) hit so far :party:

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Just like last year, I woke up on January 7th to the news of getting my first hit.

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Glad to join the game !

 

A bit late, but mine is in my sig ;)

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