General Non School Massacre Thread

[maryportfuncity 10,641]

On 29/07/2019 at 05:03, CoffinLodger said:

The madness has spread to a food festival in California. At least 3 dead according to latest reports ... https://news.sky.com/story/11-feared-injured-after-reports-of-shooting-at-california-food-festival-11772560

 

 

Sickipedia says: " After the recent shootings, organisers are looking for a new venue for next years Garlic Festival. The frontrunners are Kiev and Mayo. "

[Cat O'Falk 3,290]

'Multiple people killed' after 'gunman armed with an assault rifle' opens fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, sending panicked shoppers fleeing before SWAT respond and take a 21-year-old suspect into custody

 

America needs more gun ownership and Walmart need to sell more bullets to stop this sort of thing happening.

[CoffinLodger 1,248]

43 minutes ago, Cat O'Falk said:

'Multiple people killed' after 'gunman armed with an assault rifle' opens fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, sending panicked shoppers fleeing before SWAT respond and take a 21-year-old suspect into custody

 

America needs more gun ownership and Walmart need to sell more bullets to stop this sort of thing happening.

I don't know    why people say they're shocked whenever another shooting happens in the USA. How can you be shocked at something that  happens so often and is so predictable? And so easily preventable. Utter madness ! Sadly  footage of the shooting in progress is circulating on twitter adding an extra element of sickness to the phenomenon.

[CoffinLodger 1,248]

At least 19 dead according to NBC but the toll is likely to be much higher sadly. 

[Deathray 2,940]

1 hour ago, Cat O'Falk said:

'Multiple people killed' after 'gunman armed with an assault rifle' opens fire at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, sending panicked shoppers fleeing before SWAT respond and take a 21-year-old suspect into custody

 

America needs more gun ownership and Walmart need to sell more bullets to stop this sort of thing happening.

 

Guess we should ban cars in the uk given how many times they've been driven into people over here. Including today in NI, but it's NI so it can't be called terrorism, it'll be hit and run or something else so nobody gets scared. Brexit is killing people on British soil and everyone's turning a blind eye. How many? How many? Til Boris is kicked out?

 

 

[TQR 14,385]

9 killed and 16 injured outside a bar in Dayton, Ohio. 2nd mass shooting in 'murica in 24hrs. 

[torbrexbones 717]

Yet another politician has said that more citizens should carry guns and take the law into their own hands when the police don't get there quickly enough.

 

Yeah, that should solve all the mass shooting problems.

[the_engineer 1,415]

A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. 

 

Let's be real here inacting  gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war.  Are all Americans going to happily give up guns?  No  Will there be a civil war most probably yes.  Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it?  Will the police support it? 

 

Will people resist giving in their guns? 

 

What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? 

 

Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts.  The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. 

 

Will police be disarmed?  If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army.  If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. 

 

For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these.  Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders?  In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? 

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ7qAcSifpY 79 year old woman shoots and fights off robber

 

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

 

 

 

https://komonews.com/news/local/woman-shoots-burglary-suspect-in-south-park

 

American Koreans or roof Koreans would of lost their properties and Korea town would of been wiped out without guns. 

 

 

Without guns you'd have alot more of this in USA.Armed criminals attacking rural properties. 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9310908/farmers-wife-shot-and-raped-in-front-children-south-africa/

[theoldlady 2,297]

46 minutes ago, the_engineer said:

A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. 

 

Let's be real here inacting  gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war.  Are all Americans going to happily give up guns?  No  Will there be a civil war most probably yes.  Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it?  Will the police support it? 

 

Will people resist giving in their guns? 

 

What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? 

 

Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts.  The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. 

 

Will police be disarmed?  If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army.  If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. 

 

For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these.  Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders?  In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? 

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ7qAcSifpY 79 year old woman shoots and fights off robber

 

https://abc13.com/woman-shoots-and-kills-intruder-in-north-harris-county/5364463/

 

 

 

https://komonews.com/news/local/woman-shoots-burglary-suspect-in-south-park

 

American Koreans or roof Koreans would of lost their their properties and Korea town would of been wiped out without guns. 

 

 

Without guns you'd have alot more of this in USA.Armed criminals attacking rural properties. 

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9310908/farmers-wife-shot-and-raped-in-front-children-south-africa/

Excellent posting. Thank you. I lived in the Los Angeles area during the LA Riots. Those Koreans were/are a brave bunch. Luckily my Condo Complex had several Roof Fighters prepared to protect all of us. I will be forever greatful to those men. Then a short time after the riots our neighbor experienced an armed robbery while she was shopping at a store. My husband`s friend was murdered. We decided to move back to Norway. Our neighbor moved to upper State New York at the same time. 

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

That is the biggest pile of horse shit I have ever read on here.

[Toast 16,130]

30 minutes ago, Lord Fellatio Nelson said:

That is the biggest pile of horse shit I have ever read on here.

 

A bold claim indeed!

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

7 minutes ago, Toast said:

 

A bold claim indeed!

Ok, it's in the top 5.

[TQR 14,385]

1 hour ago, the_engineer said:

Without guns you'd have alot more of this in USA.

 

Because as we know, if you take guns out of the equation, it'll result in more shootings.

[CarolAnn 926]

A couple of shooters including Tarrant both stated they wanted gun control in the USA as that would lead to civil war. 

 

Let's be real here inacting  gun control could kill millions of Americans and end America as we know it with a civil war.  Are all Americans going to happily give up guns?  No  Will there be a civil war most probably yes.  Will many conservative army soldiers support gun control or rally against it?  Will the police support it? 

 

America is a long cry from 1861. The American standing military would have no difficulty taking down your average bubba-redneck idiot sitting in his handmade bunker under his Confederate battle flag and “The South Will Rise Again” banner. I live in Texas. I know these people. They can take an AR-15 into a WalMart full of unprotected civilians but they will pale when they are staring down a M109 Howitzer. Mass shooters are cowards.

 

Will people resist giving in their guns? 

 

Very few people have suggested that gun owners give up their guns and the most reasonable who have only want the assault weapons off the streets. American gun control legislation is generally very middle of the road – the NRA is the agency of hyperbole here.

 

What happens to people living in rural areas many miles from police how do they defend themselves from armed robbers? 

 

They will have their guns. See above. However, this argument is logically fallacious as the reason most people who live rurally in the US do so, at least in part, because there is little to no crime.

 

Any gun control will be seen as unconstitutional anyway and thrown out of the courts.  The supreme Court if Ginsburg dies will always vote to keep guns for at least 30 years. 

 

Again. You are arguing from an extreme position that is driven by the hyperbole of the NRA. If you look at the legislative history in the US concerning gun control – and there are multiple timelines on the internet – will demonstrate that legislation swings a little left in response to a tragedy, then swings a little right to compensate, then settles back in the middle. And there is precious little effective legislation after the 1930s.

 

It takes 15 years for legislation to wend its way through the US courts and enter the Supreme Court. I find it the height of ridiculousness to make decisions based on the makeup of the court. Another truism is that Supreme Court justices are free agents. They tend to vote their intellect and their understanding of the Constitution even though they played most Senators for fools in their confirmation hearings. See Texas v Johnson.

 

Will police be disarmed?  If yes then the only one armed are the law breaking criminals and the army.  If no then you will still have cops killing civilians. 

 

American police will never be disarmed. It's not even an issue worth considering. See reductio ad absurdum.

 

For every mass shooter there's about 5 of these.  Gun control just takes the guns for the weak and law abiding citizens. How many below and many more would of turned into murders?  In total those saved by guns and those killed in random mass shootings probably balance each other out. Alot are female as well were the feminists at? 

 

Actually, find significant instances of armed Americans, even in Texas, who have intervened and taken down a domestic terrorist. There ain't very many. An FBI study in 2014 showed that while five of 160 active shooter situations between 2000 – 2013 had civilians effectively exchanging gunfire with the shooter, 21 were handled by unarmed bystanders. Since 2014, the trend has been more to the ineffectiveness of civilian gun owners, with the exception of Sutherland Springs – but the damage was done by the time that intervention happened.

 

My father was a five time combat veteran and he told me something very interesting. First, the instinct is to flee in self preservation. Second, if that urge is defeated, simply facing someone you know wants your life can send you back to fleeing. Third, if you can push through that, a significant number of people, no matter their rhetoric at the backyard barbecue, simply can not kill even to save their own lives. This, he said, is what American military training is designed to break down. Civilians generally do not have that training. They have a lot of hubris, though, I’ll grant you. If I had a dollar for every time I heard some Texas redneck wannabe talking about what he'd do if he saw a bad guy I'd be lounging in Aruba.

 

As far as women go, according to the FBI, 7.6% of all firearm homicides in the US are committed by women, and since 2000 nine women have committed mass shootings. In addition, they tend to be armed with handguns, not assault rifles, and their targets tend to be people and places with connections to them. That’s a glass ceiling I’ll keep, thank you.

 

Americans will always have guns, but we have got to find a way to effectively drive down the rate of mass shootings. We sacrifice children on the altar of the Second Amendment. This is unacceptable to sane people. Arming every man, woman, and child is not practical nor is it the answer – it didn’t work on the frontier and it is not helping now. All that this has demonstrated is that Congress is firmly in the pocket of the NRA and that assault weapons exist for one reason and one reason alone. The NRA has effectively replaced the concept of “well regulated militia” with the individual, negating the intent of the second amendment while strengthening it, oddly enough. They have mastered the rhetoric.

 

There is no issue that is so dangerous it can’t be talked about, but it requires people of good faith to talk about it in good faith. That’s where we are lacking in Washington right now. That’s why we will continue to die.

 

 

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Interesting what it took to get @CarolAnn off the bench.

Welcome back.

SC

[the_engineer 1,415]

53 minutes ago, The Quim Reaper said:

 

Because as we know, if you take guns out of the equation, it'll result in more shootings.

 

There's more guns than people in the USA do you think gangs and gang bangers will turn in their guns?  Do you think guns will be the next thing smuggled across the border if they became illegal like drugs?  Hmm maybe if there was a strong physical barrier that could solve that problem. 

 

We still have shootings in the UK and the the UK banned guns last century and the UK didn't even have that many guns in circulation. So you can imagine what would happen in the USA. 

 

I notice you leave out Switzerland who haven't had a mass shooting since 2001 and has more guns than ever before and less deaths shooting deaths than ever.  In fact Switzerland hasn't even been at war with another country since 1815.  Similar to USA until 1910s. Mass shootings were rare in the 20th century it's a recent phenomenon  and the media glamourising murder,  violence and airing their political,  racial or socialital ills is perfect for them to finally be heard.  How come no one talks about that?  

 

How can leftists justify their hypocritical and contradictory political positions?  Donald Trump they claim is a dictator in waiting.  So lets disarm ourselves.  Banning alcohol or weed doesn't work but banning guns will.  Banning speech protects people's feelings but banning guns so people can protect their businesses ,families and life is perfectly acceptable?  

[Deathray 2,940]

It's odd how in the UK the idea of everyone being able to buy a gun is seen as bonkers and antiquated yet the US seem to think nothing of it. 

 

It took one massacre to shake up gun laws for generations in Britain, it's took hundreds to do absolutely nothing in the US. 

[the_engineer 1,415]

7 minutes ago, Deathray said:

It's odd how in the UK the idea of everyone being able to buy a gun is seen as bonkers and antiquated yet the US seem to think nothing of it. 

 

It took one massacre to shake up gun laws for generations in Britain, it's took hundreds to do absolutely nothing in the US. 

 

Technically speaking the UK is still allowed guns and always will be.  If you say you own a gun for self defence it can't be removed from you and you can't be arrested. So if you get a shotgun or firearm certifcate and say it's for sport then when you renew it say it's for self defence they can't remove it or arrest you but you still must keep it on your property and in cabinet. 

 

https://misesuk.org/2014/12/22/the-british-constitution-and-the-right-to-keep-and-bear-arms-for-defence/

[TQR 14,385]

52 minutes ago, the_engineer said:

 

There's more guns than people in the USA do you think gangs and gang bangers will turn in their guns?  Do you think guns will be the next thing smuggled across the border if they became illegal like drugs?  Hmm maybe if there was a strong physical barrier that could solve that problem. 

 

We still have shootings in the UK and the the UK banned guns last century and the UK didn't even have that many guns in circulation. So you can imagine what would happen in the USA. 

 

I notice you leave out Switzerland who haven't had a mass shooting since 2001 and has more guns than ever before and less deaths shooting deaths than ever.  In fact Switzerland hasn't even been at war with another country since 1815.  Similar to USA until 1910s. Mass shootings were rare in the 20th century it's a recent phenomenon  and the media glamourising murder,  violence and airing their political,  racial or socialital ills is perfect for them to finally be heard.  How come no one talks about that?  

 

How can leftists justify their hypocritical and contradictory political positions?  Donald Trump they claim is a dictator in waiting.  So lets disarm ourselves.  Banning alcohol or weed doesn't work but banning guns will.  Banning speech protects people's feelings but banning guns so people can protect their businesses ,families and life is perfectly acceptable?  

 

Explain, then, why per 100,000 people, America has 3.6 deaths from gun murders, and the UK has 0.04. Explain why America has had 258 mass shootings this year (in 215 days) and then explain why tight gun laws would increase that, whereas, on the other 6 continents of the world, the total number of mass shootings in other highly industrialised countries is 3 (NZ, Netherlands, Brazil). Explain why, of the 15 countries in the world with permissive gun laws, only 4 of them haven't had a mass shooting this year, and explain how the 177 countries which don't can be wrong.

 

I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested to know what I and lots of others are missing here; the US is known to have this sick culture with guns, and they average a mass shooting every 20 hours, and yet still correlation is not causation? I don't get it.

[the_engineer 1,415]

33 minutes ago, The Quim Reaper said:

 

Explain, then, why per 100,000 people, America has 3.6 deaths from gun murders, and the UK has 0.04. Explain why America has had 258 mass shootings this year (in 215 days) and then explain why tight gun laws would increase that, whereas, on the other 6 continents of the world, the total number of mass shootings in other highly industrialised countries is 3 (NZ, Netherlands, Brazil). Explain why, of the 15 countries in the world with permissive gun laws, only 4 of them haven't had a mass shooting this year, and explain how the 177 countries which don't can be wrong.

 

I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested to know what I and lots of others are missing here; the US is known to have this sick culture with guns, and they average a mass shooting every 20 hours, and yet still correlation is not causation? I don't get it.

 

I think that's the price people are willing to pay for their right to bear arms.  I don't believe the crazy few should deny the lawful majority their rights.  If someone suggested banning all Muslims and removing them from society to stop Islamic terror attacks everyone would say you can't hold all Muslims to account for the crazy few.  You could guarantee 0 deaths by Islamic terror attacks but some accept the price of occasional terror attacks and child rape gangs are a price people are willing to pay. 

 

Banning guns won't stop shootings in America there's too many weapons in circulation.  It worked in other places because they don't as you put it have a 'sick gun culture'. You'd be lucky to have 30m guns turned in out of 300m plus in circulation.  Also see prohibition to how Americans respond to the government banning something they like.Progressives were behind that and it lez to sky rocketing crime, organised crime and violence. 

 

P. S  societal collapse and civil war has happened over alot less.  Banning guns will lead to civil war and millions of dead Americans. 

[Joey Russ 7,220]

21 minutes ago, the_engineer said:

 

I think that's the price people are willing to pay for their right to bear arms.  I don't believe the crazy few should deny the lawful majority their rights.  If someone suggested banning all Muslims and removing them from society to stop Islamic terror attacks everyone would say you can't hold all Muslims to account for the crazy few.  You could guarantee 0 deaths by Islamic terror attacks but some accept the price of occasional terror attacks and child rape gangs are a price people are willing to pay. 

 

Banning guns won't stop shootings in America there's too many weapons in circulation.  It worked in other places because they don't as you put it have a 'sick gun culture'. You'd be lucky to have 30m guns turned in out of 300m plus in circulation.  Also see prohibition to how Americans respond to the government banning something they like.Progressives were behind that and it lez to sky rocketing crime, organised crime and violence. 

 

P. S  societal collapse and civil war has happened over alot less.  Banning guns will lead to civil war and millions of dead Americans. 

 

[Banana 859]

I am gonna get on a massive rant here but first off I would like to say @the_engineer, you are absolutely the most ass-backwards person on this site and a glarIng example of what’s wrong with the US. 

[Banana 859]

@the_engineer

 

Sorry I took you away from your Fox News broadcast to read this message, but this is something you need to hear. You are the problem. Not 'dem illegals. Not 'dem libtards. You.

You are so corrupted by conservative propaganda that you will just eat up anything these lying pricks tell you, won't you? 

 

1. Gun control =/= taking away every. single. fucking. gun.

I cannot comprehend how ANYBODY could be against implementing SOME form of gun control. You DO NOT need an M16 or AK-47 for "muh protection". You don't need bump stocks for "muh protection". You don't need 100-round magazines for "muh protection". Do you get the point? That's what gun control means. Nobody gives a shit that you have a Beretta.

 

2. These mass murderers you seemingly agree with were motivated by prejudice, not the possibility of a civil war

Both the Christchurch shooter and El Paso shooter were motivated by far right conservative ideas of prejudice against Muslims and Hispanics. Both of these types of racially-motivated attacks have increased in magnitude since Trump was elected.

 

I had to stop here. It was difficult. There's so much more of your bullshit you spewed that is so fucking wrong and straight up racist and moronic. I can't do this. I really hope this civil war you preach of happens. They'd call it the Darwinism War.

[the_engineer 1,415]

11 minutes ago, Banana said:

@the_engineer

 

Sorry I took you away from your Fox News broadcast to read this message, but this is something you need to hear. You are the problem. Not 'dem illegals. Not 'dem libtards. You.

You are so corrupted by conservative propaganda that you will just eat up anything these lying pricks tell you, won't you? 

 

1. Gun control =/= taking away every. single. fucking. gun.

I cannot comprehend how ANYBODY could be against implementing SOME form of gun control. You DO NOT need an M16 or AK-47 for "muh protection". You don't need bump stocks for "muh protection". You don't need 100-round magazines for "muh protection". Do you get the point? That's what gun control means. Nobody gives a shit that you have a Beretta.

 

2. These mass murderers you seemingly agree with were motivated by prejudice, not the possibility of a civil war

Both the Christchurch shooter and El Paso shooter were motivated by far right conservative ideas of prejudice against Muslims and Hispanics. Both of these types of racially-motivated attacks have increased in magnitude since Trump was elected.

 

I had to stop here. It was difficult. There's so much more of your bullshit you spewed that is so fucking wrong and straight up racist and moronic. I can't do this. I really hope this civil war you preach of happens. They'd call it the Darwinism War.

 

Excuse me your fucking cunt I never said I agreed with them at all and I despise all murderers for any reason.  Now you wanna lie and call me terrorist sympathiser.  Show proof or Take that back. I also never called for a civil war. 

 

Also I'm not from the USA and never have watched fox News.  You male equivalent of a basic bitch. 

[the_engineer 1,415]

For all you cunts who can't accept people with different opinions it's shows how insecure you are with your own.  I've always accepted and politely disagreed unless I was lied about.  I. E the lying penguin twat above. 

 

Defo been an influx of SJW  cunts who fresh out of adult nursery (university)  and shutting down people they disagree with think they can do it after uni.